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Found out fiancé has been cheating on me with prostitutes through most of our relationship. Absolutely devastated!

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Bluebell0724 · 02/06/2020 12:56

I thought my relationship was solid F(29) M(31). We had a healthy and incredibly happy relationship. We rarely argued and when we did we would be able to communicate effectively in order to get past it.

We were best friends we would frequently stay up talking into the small hours on a Friday night because we loved each other’s company so much.

My fiancé was the most loving dedicated men id ever met. Told me I was beautiful and he loved me 20x a day. Always tactile and hugging me. We were supposed to be getting married (if cornona would allow) in August.

The only issue was the sex which I tried to fix continuously. We had a good sex life at the beginning it was very passionate and the most exciting I’d experienced initially but it kept decreasing. It went down to once every 2 weeks. (I have a very high sex drive so this wasn’t good)

I always tried to engage in communication about our sex life. It was such a shame how much it had decreased. I have always been a bit of a sexually submissive and had wanted to tell him.

But my attempted communication about sex was always shut down. I was fobbed off and told that he had a low drive and wasn’t that into sex.

I was told that he was faking it at the beginning to please me but that he couldn’t keep it up. I felt like he thought I was an over-sexed pervert.

When I tried to initiate sex I was turned down. When we did have sex he would loose his erection. I bought his excuse hook line and sinker.

A few days ago I was on his phone searching for an email from the company who are providing the decorations for our wedding and I came across an email from the website adult work.

When I opened it up it said ‘this email is not spam you have received it because you have an active account on adult work.com’. I googled it and it was a prostitution website. My heart stopped. My world collapsed at that moment.

I tried to sign in and got his password resent to the email so I could. When I logged in I went into his bookings and saw that he had booked prostitutes.

My fiancé was having a nap so I woke him up and asked him to come into the living room. I showed him what I had found. His face said it all!

He admitted to paying for sex around every two months. He said it had started about 7 months into our relationship and the last time was February this year! I threw him out immediately. The hurt, pain and shock was too much to bare.

Since then and me calming down somewhat he has come round to speak to me about it and answer all of my questions (I have many!). I would say we’ve spoken for at least 40 hours combined.

He said after he’d fallen in love with me he couldn’t see me sexually. He said it was like a switch had turned off and I entered into the not sexual category alongside his mum and sisters.

He said he has been introduced to prostitutes about the age of 19 by older men he new who would take him to brothels after nights out. He said initially he felt uncomfortable but they normalised it to him. He then started paying for sex on his own and had done this all through his 20s (he’s 31 now).

He claimed to only have paid for sex while with me because he wanted to have sex with me but couldn’t. I thought ‘what a load of shit’ but when I logged into adult work and looked at the women. They all looked like me. One frighteningly so much she could be me!

Why would he pay for sex with someone who looks like me rather than actually having sex with me? My confusion grew.

He said he couldn’t. His body and mind wouldn’t allow him to. He said I was his princess and he couldn’t think of me sexually in his mind.

I asked him what he liked sexually. He admitted to liking a power dynamic. Ironically the same power dynamic I like but had always felt I wasn’t allowed to bring up.

He said the power dynamic made him feel like he was abusing me or degrading me and that I was his angel that he couldn’t do that to me. He told me he had put me on a pedestal and that he wouldn’t even allow himself to think of me that way.

I have always been uncomfortable with prostitution (my own personal belief) but I feel there is a lot of exploitation. The idea of him doing degrading things to women he paid made me feel sick and made him seem like a monster.

I told him this he cried and said he was a monster and that the only reason he could do it was because he’d dehumanised the women.

He told me the act of buying sex he had compartmentalised. As if it wasn’t real. He told me he almost saw it as a virtual reality world. But that deep down he understood the severity of his actions as the guilt was heavy. (But as I pointed out not enough guilt to confess or stop.)

Since we spoke about sex and what he liked and what I liked (we probably spoke for 4 hours). He said the blocker has been removed and he’s desperate for sex with me but is obviously respectful and hasn’t pressured. After the conversation his body did seem to be working again. I saw he had an erection and that is something he hadn’t been able to get with me for some time.

The day I found out he phoned all his friends and family and told them what he’d done. One of his sisters has disowned him. He rang our church and told them what he’d done and asked them to help me as I was distraught.

He was also inconsolable so one of the pastors ended up staying on the phone to him for about an hour. The church then contacted me and offered their support.

He has started therapy. And he phones me up or comes round to visit to tell me what was discussed and what insight it has given him into his actions.

He apologises continuously. He has assured me it was nothing to do with me and that I am perfect (to which I always reply no one is perfect’). But human nature is to feel inadequate now which is what I do feel.

I feel like him paying for it over me shows how undesirable I was. But then he keeps reminding me of the women he choose and how they resembled me.

He says I couldn’t have done anymore and that it’s nothing to do with me and that it was his own emotional issues and his own choice to be unfaithful.

He cries and says he will never forgive himself for the betrayal but also for exploiting the women he paid for. He has said that he will support me whatever I want. That he wants to try again and stay together but that he understands the severity of what he’s done and understands that I may never want him back.

It’s all very overwhelming and I am going through such a roller coaster of emotion I don’t know what I want and am not going to rush my decision.

Does anyone have any thoughts on the infidelity? What they would do? Or what they got from what I’ve written?

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GilbertMarkham · 03/06/2020 17:24

Why "we" .. you haven't done anything.

He's treated you appallingly, disgustingly. Betrayed and deceived you, over and over.

Wondersense · 03/06/2020 17:24

There's so much to unpack here. When you described him, I could tell he had a virgin/whore complex young on and now we know what's caused that - religion. Many major religions demonise sexual women - they are a threat, they're dirty, they're ungodly, they're animal like or not equal to other humans. That's the kind of woman that does it for him in the bedroom , but that's not the way he views you. He would see it as insulting to view you in a sexual way because his religion has taught him that 'nice' women don't do that. I'm glad you're considering walking away.

Wondersense · 03/06/2020 17:25

*complex going on

Bluebell0724 · 03/06/2020 17:27

@GilbertMarkham well this is the issue isn’t it? It’s what I can’t get my head round. I keep asking repeatedly how he could do that to me? how could you be so callous? How could you walk back in to me after sleeping with another woman and act so normally?

This is his reply:

‘I’m not 100% sure it’s partly because I had learned to compartmentalise parts of my life, I didn’t view it as real l. It was like a virtual world. In all other areas of my life I was completely faithful. If a girl tried to flirt at work I would start talking about you. I never chatted up women in bars or when out with mates. It doesn’t make sense none of my flawed logic makes sense. Almost didn’t view it as cheating because it was without emotion. I know that’s mental because I was having sex with other women but that’s genuinely how I saw it. When I walked through the door I couldn’t hide it. I thought it was obvious I thought you’d be able to see the guilt written all over my face. The nights I disengaged. The nights I was on my phone constantly distracted or went to bed super early. They were the nights I couldn’t look you in the eyes because of what I’d done’

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Bunnymumy · 03/06/2020 17:30

Where is he op? He isbt still in the house with you is he?

How grim.
He is trying to blind sight you into forgiving him.

I mean the things he is saying are so manipulative 'we are strong enough' wtf. No you sick fuck this isn't about strength of relationship. It's about you being not right in the head.

Talking about being sorry about yet 'filled with excitement' in the same convo. Sick sick sick.

Bluebell0724 · 03/06/2020 17:33

@Wondersense yes I know established religion has been shitty to women throughout the centuries and has been responsible for our oppression.

Sorry I should have made clearer about the religion thing. I became religious a few years ago. He didn’t become religious until late last year. He would drive me to church and started coming in and he started practicing. He’s not from a religious background and actually doesn’t know anyone religious apart from me. Neither do I to be fair. He was baptised in March this year just before corona lockdown.

He says he repented what he’d done and believed he wouldn’t do it again. But he has since admitted if he’s really honest with himself that he would have still got the urges because he couldn’t sexualise me.

I said he was talking crap because he had said the same thing about the engagement and still done it after so I don’t believe he would have stopped.

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Bluebell0724 · 03/06/2020 17:34

@Bunnymumy no he’s at his mums but he comes round for walks or we message

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MarronCat · 03/06/2020 17:35

Yes, the 'filled with excitement' really disgusted me too. His mind's gone, he's a lost cause.

OP, I have a question. How do you feel when he says all this nonsense? Are you feeling more and more turned off and disgusted? I hope so as it means you will get over this sooner rather than later.

backseatcookers · 03/06/2020 17:36

What's the situation with him now OP, are you in the same home still?

You are so, so vulnerable to hysterical bonding. Please stop engaging with him.

He has to be told women are not commodities.

He has to be told women are multi faceted, not either "slut" or pure (ugh!!!)

He has visited women and paid to presumably get deepthroated and then humiliate them.

All while he was with you.

You do not owe this man anything.

Thank god you found out when you did, and I say that literally. As I said before I am not a believer but if you are, can't you think right, he's in God's hands now. He's asked the church for help so if God can't help him be less of a misogynist abuser, how the fuck could I?!

Also a lesson I learned too late - even IF someone is as sorry as they say, even IF they would never do it again, even IF you're the one that got away, it does NOT mean you have to forgive and forget what they've done.

I am the one that got away for a couple of my exes. Because I adored them and put up with things I shouldn't.

Funnily enough they only realised that when THEY stood to lose ME, not when I was crying, begging and frankly being a total mug. My pain was never enough, but the minute they were exposed and hurting... THEN they wanted to change.

You do not owe a man redemption.

Stop engaging with this man.

20mum · 03/06/2020 17:36

I only read part, but if I summarise correctly, the story is about a couple mutually compatible in every way, particularly in what they both think is a fine bedtime game. She didn't tell him her games preference, so he thought he needed to find a professional bedtime game player. Being in love, he couldn't manage playing with just any professional, but tried to find one looking so alike his beloved that he could pretend he was màking love to the woman he loves, in the way he likes.

At last, after a row, she finally discloses that she too likes his favourite game. Oh, Joy ! The news releases him from his inhibitions and he is visibly highly interested in getting back to having a sex life with her. She says she is highly sexed. Hooray, cue next scene of couple rapturously reconciled.

But no. An inexplicable switch in the script. Our heroine has everything she dreamed of, plus what she secretly fantasised. Both the love story and the interesting bedtimes. But....astonishingly,
instead off ripping off his clothes and leaping on him with cries of delight, she tells him to leave forever.

And instead of asking her "what the..?", and "this is the script for the most perfect relationship" pages of women call him names . The unanimous view is that a woman whose own bedtime preferences include being dominated, is advised not to let that be done by someone who loves her ànd is not likely to let the game go too far. So, what.?..find a random stranger for the purpose.?...imagine she will find another ideal compatible match both in and out of the bedroom ..? But then, she will be searching for as near as she can find to an exact copy of the man she is throwing away.

P.S. The drama about telling all, after concealing all, might seem a bit o.t.t. from the point of view of outsiders, but understandable from his point of view.

PicsInRed · 03/06/2020 17:36

all other areas of my life I was completely faithful. If a girl tried to flirt at work I would start talking about you. I never chatted up women in bars or when out with mates.

Christ he's full of shit.

It doesn’t make sense...

...because it's all bollocks.

Almost didn’t view it as cheating because it was without emotion

Otherwise known as "psychopathic". 🤷‍♀️

I thought it was obvious I thought you’d be able to see the guilt written all over my face. The nights I disengaged. The nights I was on my phone constantly distracted or went to bed super early. They were the nights I couldn’t look you in the eyes because of what I’d done’

...aaaaand he's already starting to make you responsible. To pass the fault.

That was fast.

GilbertMarkham · 03/06/2020 17:37

If he was truly remorseful, truly ashamed, and truly cared for you; he would end your engagement himself, leave you alone to come to terms with things and recover, acknowledge that he can't offer you a decent, untainted relationship, pray on your behalf that you meet a lovely, decent partner to marry and have a family with (should you wish) ... And continue with intensive therapy for his "issues" (not that I think they are things that can be changed, I don't think you can make someone think of others as equal, with empathy if they don't), and if he gets into a relationship again - which should be when he has had years of therapy and not repeated any of the behaviour that has characterised his adult life to date, he could get onto s relationship with a different person and try to treat her decently; not like he has treated you.

But what is he doing instead - it's all about him.

Bunnymumy · 03/06/2020 17:37

So basically he mirrored you. He 'became religious' in order to con you into thinking he was just like you.

Also common for narcissists to pick and choose traits and hobbies and appearance/lifestyle choices ect...based on those around them. Because they don't have any real sense of self of their own. They...try on other identities.

And it's useful for them to immitate their prey.

MustStopSnacking28 · 03/06/2020 17:38

I never ever usually comment on these threads as I don’t feel my input would be useful but this is one of the most disturbing things I have read. I hope you make the decision to walk (run) away as this is clearly not a good man and he has many many issues which cannot and should not try to help him with.

MarronCat · 03/06/2020 17:39

MustStopSnacking28 - ''this is one of the most disturbing things I have read''.

Me too.

DeRigueurMortis · 03/06/2020 17:39

OP there's obviously a lot going on in your head presently.

Perhaps it would help if you try and simplify where your at?

Does it really matter why he did what he did?

Are you going to be able to forgive this because you find he has a Madonna/Whore complex rather than simply likes the illicit thrill of paying for sex that involves acts of humiliation?

If the answer is no (and I hope it is) then there is nothing more to talk to him about because there is nothing that can change what he did regardless of why.

There's also nothing he can do to put this right so there's also no point in listening to how he will change - because the one thing he can't change is the past, he can't undo this and that's the only thing that could make this right.

Remember he didn't stumble into this situation. He made choice after choice, decision after decision, over a number of years not only to cheat on you but gaslight you about your sex life.

He's still trying to gaslight you now and will use as many allies as he can muster to help him.

Block his phone number and on any social media. Don't let him manipulate you.

backseatcookers · 03/06/2020 17:40

He has to be told women are not commodities.

He has to be told women are multi faceted, not either "slut" or pure (ugh!!!)

Sorry to be clear I don't mean you should tell him these things, I mean you shouldn't be with someone who has to be told these things - if they don't already know and believe them they are not someone you should spend time with let alone marry. I know you didn't know that before but you know now. He hates women. Punters hate women. All women, even the ones they think are too pure to shag. Because once you shag them in your eyes you're as bad as the rest of the women they judge. He literally makes me feel sick.

CaraDune · 03/06/2020 17:42

OP, I really strongly advise you to stop all contact with him. No more phone calls. No more walks. He is trying to play you, and play you for a fool. As Gilbert points out, he's doing the whole narcissistic thing of both mirroring and shifting blame from him onto you... and you are sufficiently emotionally fragile that you are at high risk of getting drawn back in.

indecisivelil · 03/06/2020 17:42

Why do I feel we're all banging our heads against a brick wall with the op?
What has your mother got to say about this situation @Bluebell0724 is there someone in your life that genuinely cares about you that you can talk to?

MarronCat · 03/06/2020 17:43

DeRigueurMortis - ''He's still trying to gaslight you now and will use as many allies as he can muster to help him.''

Yep, I think we all felt and feared this even on the first page of the thread, it's why everyone shouted ''RUN''.

iano · 03/06/2020 17:43

Op I am very sorry you have bed. Treated so badly. Your fiancé has treated you with utter contempt. I really feel for you.

Please stop worrying about why he's doing stuff and talking to him about it. He's manipulating you.

Send him a text to demand he leaves you alone and be done with this shambles of a relationship. He's really gross! You can do 100 times better!

Bluebell0724 · 03/06/2020 17:43

@MarronCat sexually I’m turned off him because of what he’s done I don’t want him to touch me. I mean I already feel like I’m living in a dream as I’m still in shock but it’s amplifying the feeling. I’ve gone from having a man who would refuse me sexually so often to a man who is sexually turned on by me. Or appears to be. The way he looks at me is the most odd as it’s not something I’ve experienced with him. He keeps trying to flirt with me but I’m giving him short shrift

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Bunnymumy · 03/06/2020 17:44

I think you are playing with fire op. Cut him loose before he burns you again.

TorkTorkBam · 03/06/2020 17:45

I have to translate his statements.

just give me one more shot.
He wants. No reference to what you want.

You can hate me and I will still love you.
He would know that you hate him but still want to keep you with him. He wants, he gets, he doesn't care that you are unhappy.

You can wake up and call me a C every morning and I don’t care.*
He wants, he gets, he doesn't care that you are unhappy. All he is saying here is that he is fine with totally ignoring you when you say you are unhappy.

I deserve it o know I’m disgusting.
OK. He already knows this.

Now the sexual barrier has gone I love you completely.
His love for you is dependent on you playing along with his perversion. If you don't want his way then he won't love you. He wants, he gets, he doesn't care that you are/were/might become unhappy.

I’ve never loved another woman and I never will after you.
He wants, he gets, he doesn't care that you are unhappy.

I know your love has gone down for me but I accept that.
He wants, he gets, he doesn't care that you are unhappy. He can be completely happy with you being miserable. Totes OK.

I want my life with you forever and I will make it my mission to rebuild trust and hopefully you can love me properly again.
Screw what you want. You have to hang around being unhappy until you stop being unhappy.
I will be the most dedicated husband to you He wants, he gets, he doesn't care that you are unhappy. His goal is not for you to be happy. His goal is for him to possess you forever.

I will never hurt you again I couldn’t see the pain on your face again that was the worst moment of my life.
Being caught was the worst moment of his life. Not realising what an awful thing he'd done. The moment where he got caught was the worst. His promise here is to make sure you don't find out in future. You finding out is the problem.

I know it would destroy you I would be evil to do it again.
Again, you catching him is the problem.

I don’t want anyone else. I never did I only ever wanted you but I physically couldn’t sexualise you. I wanted to but I couldn’t. Why do you think the girls I paid looked so much like you? I wanted them to be you. I don’t want any other woman I want you.
He wants, he gets, he doesn't care that you were deeply unhappy with your sex life

Now I can have you my sexual desire for you is stronger than any sexual desire I’ve ever had in my life. It just fills me with excitement.
He wants, he gets, he doesn't care that you are unhappy except that it is blocking him getting his rocks off with his free slut.

We are strong enough to get through this.
You are strong enough to live being unhappy. He is strong enough to live with you being unhappy if you be his slut. He is strong enough to put the extra effort into not being caught next time.

You can put a tracker on my phone. Have access to all my accounts, you can keep my bank cards with you at all times if you want and I will just did Apple Pay’ etc etc
He wants, he gets, he doesn't care that you are unhappy. Permanent spying on your partner as a happy solution? That's no life for you or him.

That stuff from him would have me enraged. What a selfish cock.

indecisivelil · 03/06/2020 17:46

@Bluebell0724 you're not giving him short shrift though are you? You're meeting with him, spending hours talking to him... this is all attention and ego fanning and telling him that no matter what you're saying out loud you will in the end accept his behaviour because you are that desperate to be with him.