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Domestic abuse from teenage daughter

159 replies

Papergirl1968 · 16/04/2020 23:39

I don’t know if this is the best place to post.
My daughters, 18 and 15, are adopted. Both have lots of issues and the oldest in particular has always been very angry.
She binge drinks and is a very unpleasant drunk, with verbal abuse, foul language, physical aggression and smashing up the house.
In the last few weeks she’s kicked and punched me, and then on Saturday she threw a heavy book hard at me, the corner of which caught me just above my eye. I was ok apart from a red, sore mark but I could have been blinded.
She was screaming abuse at me and bits of saliva were coming out of her mouth - she was literally spitting with rage. She kicked the front door repeatedly and threatened to kill me so I rang 999.
One of the police who came asked how likely I thought it on a scale of 1-10 that she’d seriously hurt me one day and I said seven or eight. She is small and I’m quite a big woman but I’m not getting any younger - early 50s - and she just doesn’t hold back at all, but loses all control. I am pretty sure that if there happened to be a kitchen knife lying around when she was in one of these rages she wouldn’t hesitate to use it. One of our cats is terrified of her and hides away from her.
I’m usually the target of her anger and it’s usually when she’s drunk but she also kicked off in a shop the other day because they refused to sell her an energy drink, and she came home one night boasting about how she’d beaten up a girl on a bus, and she wasn’t drunk on those occasions. I don’t think she’s into drugs, because she saw what drugs did to her birth mother.
Anyway, in the past she’s been charged several times with assaulting me but this time the police didn’t seem to want to arrest her - understandable given how busy they are at the moment - and took her to a friend’s. She’s now been found somewhere to live a few miles away by the council homeless team.
That’s the background and finally I’ve got to the bit I need advice on. The police put me in touch with a domestic abuse organisation who can help me get an injunction to prevent her harassing me, coming to the house etc. But I would like, in future when things have calmed down, to be able to meet her somewhere public for a coffee or a meal. The woman I spoke to said that was an unusual request as it was usual for there to be no contact between the parties (who are of course usually partners and not mother and daughter) and I’d have to ask the judge.
I’m now wondering if I’m doing the right thing. It’s a huge deal to cut your 18-year-old daughter out of your life. Perhaps it would be better if I warned her that I won’t get the injunction this time, but that I want her to stay away from our home and if she won’t, I’ll then have no choice.
She’s not a monster - the other day she cut my lawn and my elderly mom’s lawn without being asked. She’s had some awful experiences and gone through a lot. But I can’t keep on being her punchbag.
And she won’t get help for her anger or binge drinking. She went to Camhs when she was younger and saw a counsellor last year but won’t really engage.

OP posts:
rosebud2020 · 19/04/2020 19:08

I hate victim blaming. I feel the daughter is also a victim as well as the op and sister. It is a really sad situation all round.

mbosnz · 19/04/2020 19:13

In this instance, the daughter is not the victim, she is the abuser. She has indeed been victimised in the past, by her biological mother. That does not create a free pass to victimise, abuse, and assault her mother, or her sister, or, indeed an incredibly vulnerable infant.

Hopefully the daughter will get to a point where she will accept the help and support she needs to overcome her addiction issues, her anger issues, and sort her life out. But at 18, ultimately, increasingly, it's up to her. Because she will feel that it's her right to choose, her life to live, and be increasingly reluctant to accept help and guidance from her mother, and her mother needs to keep herself and her other daughter safe from harm.

TigerKingisMental · 19/04/2020 19:17

mbosnz couldn't agree more.

rosebud2020 · 19/04/2020 19:26

I think they are all victims. They all need support. The young girl is obviously going through trauma. She no longer has her baby and lives a chaotic lifestyle.
My aunt was the same. She was a heroin addict and had mental health issues. My nan took in her baby and brought the baby up. He didn't follow in his mums footsteps. He has a degree and is a managing director.
He also bonded with my aunt as she eventually cleaned up her act.

mbosnz · 19/04/2020 19:30

But in the instance of the daughter assaulting and abusing her mother, she is most certainly not the, or even a victim. She is the abuser. And regardless of her background, her assaults on her mother are criminal, and cannot be allowed to continue.

Her difficult background, were it to come to a criminal court case (and it could, if allowed to continue), would go to mitigation at sentencing, but it would not change the unlawful nature of her behaviour, nor the effect on her victims.

Papergirl1968 · 19/04/2020 19:43

Thank you everyone for the different opinions. I don’t know how to convince Rosebud that I’ve bent over backwards to help both of my daughters and DD1 doesn’t want to know.
I still have flashbacks of lying on the floor being kicked by her and when she tried to strangle me when I was driving.
Then there’s the numerous occasions she’s screamed at me that I’m a fat whore, and that I didn’t have birth children because I was too ugly for any man to want to have sex with me, interspersed with the most foul language you can imagine.
Or when she’s used her baby as a weapon if I upset her in any way by threatening to not let me see her.
The birthdays, Christmases, mother’s days and other special occasions she’s ruined.
The nights of driving the streets looking for her because she’s not come home or run off, sometimes having to pick her up drunk - and she’s a vile drunk. I’ve stood by her through everything. And I just can’t keep doing it. If she doesn’t kill me directly, her behaviour will, with a heart attack or stroke.
I will look up MAROC, thanks Beauty.

OP posts:
RandomMess · 19/04/2020 19:45

@Papergirl1968 just want to send you love and hugs.

Love isn't enough many children have brain damage due to abuse or neglect as babies and some of it doesn't ever develop. The more research they do the more the experts realise the damage is very real and long term.

You will always be her Mum, I hope one day she does mature enough to engage with help and have a stable relationship with you. That goes for both your DDs.

Thanks
TigerKingisMental · 19/04/2020 19:46

OP you don't need to convince anybody. You have done the right thing to protect yourself and your youngest. You really don't need to justify yourself to anyone Flowers

mbosnz · 19/04/2020 19:47

Hang on in there Papergirl. You are entirely within your rights, and absolutely correct, to set boundaries that keep you and your younger daughter safe from harm.

There is a point at which our children need to be allowed to experience the natural consequences of their actions. For their own growth, as much as anything.

Sorry if I seem to have been talking about you as a theoretical exercise, or over you, if you know what I mean. I know that this is a very real, very painful, and very dangerous situation for you, and your family.

HollowTalk · 19/04/2020 19:54

What a horrible situation for you, OP. I think the only chance of the baby having a good life is for her to be adopted now.

What do you think your younger daughter would be like if (as I think you should) you got an injunction against your older daughter? Some of that bad behaviour has surely rubbed off and she (younger DD) might enjoy playing to the audience of your older DD.

rosebud2020 · 19/04/2020 19:55

You don't need to justify to me at all OP. I agree you are a victim. It sounds awful.
I just think that your daughter is a victim as well. As I have said before I hope you all get the help that you need.
I worry for your daughter as she sounds so vulnerable. At 18 you are fragile anyway. With all her history and her mental state and suggestion that she might be involved with sex working makes my scared for her.
It's a difficult situation

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Papergirl1968 · 19/04/2020 20:11

I think DD2 would have mixed loyalties, Hollow.
DD2 has her own issues. Her behaviour has been appalling in the past - not so much aggressive but unkind and very risky - but also there has been a lot of running off, mixing with dodgy people, and self harming, which led to me putting her in care last autumn because I couldn’t keep her safe.
She’s home with me for a few days at the moment and we will have to see if children’s services and the court let her stay. She’s nearly 16 and there are signs she’s maturing so fingers crossed.
Whether children’s services will arrange for contact between her and her sister I don’t know. That would be preferable to DD2 running off to see DD1.

OP posts:
Rayn · 19/04/2020 20:19

My full sympathies. My sister adopted a little boy at five months old. He was so lovely but from puberty very much like your daughter. He has had an incredible childhood but always struggled making friends, aggressive, stealing, drugs. My sister is so scared of him. He starts to engage with getting help but drops off fairly quickly. He is now 17 and an absolute nightmare- police bringing him back regularly.. My sister is broken. She adores him and has tried to get help but there are waiting lists. As it goes it has now been diagnosed that the damage was done in uterine. So so sad. I hope you find a way forward. You sound incredible.

Viviennemary · 19/04/2020 20:24

Poor you that sounds horrific. I don't think I could stand this. I'd have her removed from the house. You can't carry on like this.

BubblyBarbara · 19/04/2020 20:25

I don’t think she’s into drugs, because she saw what drugs did to her birth mother.

Unfortunately you can’t take that for granted. These things have a nasty way of carrying on and children filling the shoes of their troublesome biological parents. See Peaches Geldof.

HollowTalk · 19/04/2020 21:07

I agree you can't take it for granted that she's not taking drugs. It could be a way of making her feel closer to her mum.

HollowTalk · 19/04/2020 21:08

I'm so sorry, I meant her birth mother there. You are her mum.

Spanglemum · 19/04/2020 21:23

I'm adopted and an adopter . I'm going to ignore some of the ignorant comments on this thread. It won't have been the OP's decision for the GD to go into care. The system doesn't work like that. Have you tried Adoption UK OP? I think an injunction might be an option in the short term or medium term. I wish you all, all the best.

Grohnjant · 19/04/2020 22:28

So so sorry you are going through this OP . Sending you flowers 💐
As others have said sometimes love is just not enough .
You have done everything you can , please look after yourself now .

Sadly I’ve had a very similar experience to you with my adopted DD . I think it’s the damage done before birth that is irreparable.

Unless you’ve experienced this level of abuse from your own child it’s hard to know how you’d react. As unnatural as it might feel, unconditional love does not mean you allow them carte blanche to hurt you.

I admire you for how you’ve handled this . I know how utterly heartbreaking it is .
Sending you best wishes

Mucklowe · 19/04/2020 22:40

It's a good job not everyone is like me. I'd rather be child less and lonely than adopt. Every adopted person I've ever come across has always been a bit problematic no matter the age. I just don't have the patience for that

@DressingGown123 that is a disgusting thing to write. I've reported it.

HollowTalk · 19/04/2020 23:54

It really is a good thing that not many are like her.

hesgotit · 20/04/2020 05:26

I agree with previous PP about drugs. I think it's a strange phenomenon like men that saw their fathers best their mothers. As children they would've hated that, been scared, hated their father but then they repeat it in older life.

Whatever it is, everyone is suffering and it's awful.

Sorry.

hesgotit · 20/04/2020 05:27

What would you suggest then @DressingGown123 if everyone was like you? Which thankfully they're not!

DressingGown123 · 20/04/2020 09:05

@hesgotit I have no suggestion. It doesn't matter either because people do adopt

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