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Domestic abuse from teenage daughter

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Papergirl1968 · 16/04/2020 23:39

I don’t know if this is the best place to post.
My daughters, 18 and 15, are adopted. Both have lots of issues and the oldest in particular has always been very angry.
She binge drinks and is a very unpleasant drunk, with verbal abuse, foul language, physical aggression and smashing up the house.
In the last few weeks she’s kicked and punched me, and then on Saturday she threw a heavy book hard at me, the corner of which caught me just above my eye. I was ok apart from a red, sore mark but I could have been blinded.
She was screaming abuse at me and bits of saliva were coming out of her mouth - she was literally spitting with rage. She kicked the front door repeatedly and threatened to kill me so I rang 999.
One of the police who came asked how likely I thought it on a scale of 1-10 that she’d seriously hurt me one day and I said seven or eight. She is small and I’m quite a big woman but I’m not getting any younger - early 50s - and she just doesn’t hold back at all, but loses all control. I am pretty sure that if there happened to be a kitchen knife lying around when she was in one of these rages she wouldn’t hesitate to use it. One of our cats is terrified of her and hides away from her.
I’m usually the target of her anger and it’s usually when she’s drunk but she also kicked off in a shop the other day because they refused to sell her an energy drink, and she came home one night boasting about how she’d beaten up a girl on a bus, and she wasn’t drunk on those occasions. I don’t think she’s into drugs, because she saw what drugs did to her birth mother.
Anyway, in the past she’s been charged several times with assaulting me but this time the police didn’t seem to want to arrest her - understandable given how busy they are at the moment - and took her to a friend’s. She’s now been found somewhere to live a few miles away by the council homeless team.
That’s the background and finally I’ve got to the bit I need advice on. The police put me in touch with a domestic abuse organisation who can help me get an injunction to prevent her harassing me, coming to the house etc. But I would like, in future when things have calmed down, to be able to meet her somewhere public for a coffee or a meal. The woman I spoke to said that was an unusual request as it was usual for there to be no contact between the parties (who are of course usually partners and not mother and daughter) and I’d have to ask the judge.
I’m now wondering if I’m doing the right thing. It’s a huge deal to cut your 18-year-old daughter out of your life. Perhaps it would be better if I warned her that I won’t get the injunction this time, but that I want her to stay away from our home and if she won’t, I’ll then have no choice.
She’s not a monster - the other day she cut my lawn and my elderly mom’s lawn without being asked. She’s had some awful experiences and gone through a lot. But I can’t keep on being her punchbag.
And she won’t get help for her anger or binge drinking. She went to Camhs when she was younger and saw a counsellor last year but won’t really engage.

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Wisteriacottage · 17/04/2020 15:39

Well done for putting the little on e first, that would have been such a difficult decision but as anyone involved with situations like this, the best for the baby is as little disruption in the earliest months the better as then they do not suffer attachment issues as they would with a chaotic early life.

Papergirl1968 · 17/04/2020 15:45

I’m sorry to hear that, Hazel.
The cynical part of me thinks they keep siblings together because the younger one would be snapped up but it would be much harder to find the older one a home.
They were nearly eight and nearly five when they were placed with me, so even dd2 was old in adoption terms. I had been going for under fours but as soon as I heard about these two, I wanted them. It just felt right. I still think that instinct must count for something.
I’ll look into a non-molestation order, Puss.
Thanks everyone.

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Papergirl1968 · 17/04/2020 15:50

I’ve tried to get her help, Gilbert as have children’s services, youth offending team etc. She just won’t engage. She did say the other night in her drinking binge that alcohol takes the pain away, which was a rare insight as she usually keeps her emotions well under wraps.

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HazelBite · 17/04/2020 15:58

@Wisteriacottage The thing is they do give counselling etc but they never seem to look at the bigger picture, the ripples of effect to all those aound and involved with these children, extended family, teachers, etc,
Sometimes the adoptive parent can't get time off work to go on all the parenting courses, counselling groups etc, and SS show no tolerance or understanding in these circumstances, then the parents get blamed if things don't go well with the dcs

Gwynfluff · 17/04/2020 18:04

You kept a child out of the care system and you should congratulate yourself for that. Also children are often removed now, due to the desire to try and keep the family together, at fairly late ages and then they will have done a year or so in foster placements. The old way of taking the baby and placing within the first couple of months with the adopting family was often better for the child in the long run. Also, people don’t understand the fight required to get post adoption help and support.

It does no-one any favours to romanticise the adoption of an older child (over 1 or 2).

Do not feel bad.

GilbertMarkham · 17/04/2020 20:59

She did say the other night in her drinking binge that alcohol takes the pain away, which was a rare insight as she usually keeps her emotions well under wraps.

Well that means she is capable of engaging with you/pf talking about things (and hopefully other people too).

It must be unbelievably painful not to have a baby she carried for 9 months and gave birth to not with her.

And that's not even getting into her childhood.

I feel so sorry for her.

All you can do is keep reaching out and keep trying to get her help/counselling.

Gobbycop · 17/04/2020 21:23

Also worth noting an injunction doesn't have to be permenant.

Good luck with the situation you sound like you've done and continue to do your absolute best. That's all anyone can ask for.

Papergirl1968 · 17/04/2020 21:38

She now keeps ringing me saying men where she’s staying are trying to get her into prostitution, and is asking to come back. Sorry as I feel for her, I can’t have her back here, I just can’t.

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ferntwist · 17/04/2020 21:52

So sorry to read what you’re going through OP. Did you ever tell the police that she confessed to beating up a girl on the bus?

scryingeyes · 17/04/2020 21:57

Be strong x

GilbertMarkham · 18/04/2020 00:03

Seems like the council homeless team need an (emergency) call if at all possible - to ask wtf is going on where she's been housed.

Papergirl1968 · 18/04/2020 00:22

The homelessness team said they’ve been through this with her already and offered her alternative accommodation. Then she came out with a load of racist stuff so they ended the call.
She carried on hammering and screaming at the door so I called police, and they’ve just arrested her for something like violently trying to force access. It looks like they may also be arresting her for assault and criminal damage for last week.
And it does look like I’m going to get the injunction after all. I just can’t have her keep coming back here.
I feel guilty as hell as she was cold and upset and said she felt like killing herself but I just can’t do this any more.
I did report the assault on the bus, Fern, but I don’t think the victim did so nothing came of it.

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Lardlizard · 18/04/2020 09:28

I think your amazing what you’ve done for those girls I honestly do
But I any help wondering if she had been allowed to keep her baby, would it have been the making of her?
Someone to love her and for her to love
I understand why you felt like it was too much of a gamble, but it’s a shame you will all never know how that’s would have worked out as she wasn’t given the chance, and now that’s happened that’s probably messed her up for life

I’m honestly seriously think you’ve done amazing though

CrimsonCattery · 18/04/2020 09:38

You can't save her from herself. This is a very hard thing to accept. Putting your own safety first is absolutely fine.

fuckinghellthisshit · 18/04/2020 09:45

Thank you for all you have done, and for trying op.
I run a mentoring and academic support service for children who have experienced ace and what adoptive parents go thru is often very shocking. You can’t help her unless she stops drinking and engages in recovery, that is the simple truth. Take care of yourself, you are a good woman.

BadgertheBodger · 18/04/2020 09:55

LardLizard babies are not removed at one day old without significant and ongoing reasons for serious concern. It is not always appropriate to give the mother a chance, as it is not always in the best interests of the baby and they must come first

Lardlizard · 18/04/2020 10:01

Badger I get that, I just feel so sorry for the girl not being given the chance, to turn her life around as I do believe for some becoming a parent is the making of them, it’s not about you anymore and the uncoditiao love most people feel for their children and from their children is just that special kind of love

Could have they been supervised In a home, like mother and baby home or something ?

I often think most teen girls that have babys actually just want to be loved and have someone love them

lesleyw1953 · 18/04/2020 10:06

I feel so sad for you and am not surprised that you know of so many failed adoptions. However, we adopted a sibling group of 4 and despite an horrific background and a few minor ups and downs everything has worked out really well and we are a close family. This is not to say we were more expert at parenting than those who had a negative experience - we weren't. I think it is sometimes simply luck and circumstances and a random connection that can't be foreseen or created. Flowers

Wisteriacottage · 18/04/2020 10:32

Omg for anyone to think keeping a vulnerable and defense less baby with a person who cannot control herself and takes substances that alters her mind in such a way to cause damage to herself and others, really?!?

No wonder social workers and adoptive, caring people who want to keep babies safe have such a tough time!

Wisteriacottage · 18/04/2020 10:36

It's difficult enough keeping children safe when a woman refuses to leave ( for whatever reason) her violent, abusive partner!
Children have no say in the matter. Utterly vulnerable and totally defenseless.

Papergirl1968 · 18/04/2020 11:24

Lard, I do agree that if she’d been given a chance in a mum and baby unit things might have turned out differently. And it was discussed, and in fact hasn’t yet been formally discounted although the baby just turned one, but I don’t think there’s a chance it will happen now.
It broke my heart to return home from hospital without a baby, to a house full of prams, cots, nappies etc so goodness knows what it did to her.
But since then instead of working with children’s services to turn her life around she has continued to do silly things like getting drunk to the extent where she gets arrested or ends up in hospital. She also hangs around with idiots, and has missed contact - not regularly but a fair few times.
Having said that, she is very good with the baby when she sees her, but two hours three times a week is very different to 24 hours a day.

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Lardlizard · 18/04/2020 11:34

Papergirl I honestly think you’ve done so well, you’ve kept her out of the system for so long, I can see you are really hurting here, sometimes we do our best but it doesn’t work outFlowersFlowers

Papergirl1968 · 18/04/2020 11:37

Thank you, everyone. I wish my neighbours were as understanding!
And Lesley, I’m really glad it all worked out for you.

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Prawnofthepatriarchy · 18/04/2020 11:49

A friend of mine adopted two siblings and it worked out badly. The boy, who was older, couldn't bond with her or anyone and became a danger to others. My friend gave him back to SS when he became a threat to his younger sister. The lad ended up in a secure unit for children.

Your DDs sound very like my friend's DD. She abused drink and drugs, and got in trouble all the time. Eventually she had two babies one after the other, both of whom were taken into care at birth.

It's been totally heartbreaking for my friend and I sympathise so much with you. One of the things she says is that the social workers were never really open about just how bad things had been for the DC before she had them. She says she would have been in a better position to support them had she appreciated how profoundly damaged they both were. Their mother was a heroin addict and hugely neglected them. Their father was a violent habitual criminal.

My friend is not the only adoptive parent I know. Knowing what I know now I would strongly advise people not to adopt.

ferntwist · 18/04/2020 12:36

@Papergirl1968 Wishing you all the luck. Respect for reporting the bus assault, that must have taken a lot of courage.

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