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Domestic abuse from teenage daughter

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Papergirl1968 · 16/04/2020 23:39

I don’t know if this is the best place to post.
My daughters, 18 and 15, are adopted. Both have lots of issues and the oldest in particular has always been very angry.
She binge drinks and is a very unpleasant drunk, with verbal abuse, foul language, physical aggression and smashing up the house.
In the last few weeks she’s kicked and punched me, and then on Saturday she threw a heavy book hard at me, the corner of which caught me just above my eye. I was ok apart from a red, sore mark but I could have been blinded.
She was screaming abuse at me and bits of saliva were coming out of her mouth - she was literally spitting with rage. She kicked the front door repeatedly and threatened to kill me so I rang 999.
One of the police who came asked how likely I thought it on a scale of 1-10 that she’d seriously hurt me one day and I said seven or eight. She is small and I’m quite a big woman but I’m not getting any younger - early 50s - and she just doesn’t hold back at all, but loses all control. I am pretty sure that if there happened to be a kitchen knife lying around when she was in one of these rages she wouldn’t hesitate to use it. One of our cats is terrified of her and hides away from her.
I’m usually the target of her anger and it’s usually when she’s drunk but she also kicked off in a shop the other day because they refused to sell her an energy drink, and she came home one night boasting about how she’d beaten up a girl on a bus, and she wasn’t drunk on those occasions. I don’t think she’s into drugs, because she saw what drugs did to her birth mother.
Anyway, in the past she’s been charged several times with assaulting me but this time the police didn’t seem to want to arrest her - understandable given how busy they are at the moment - and took her to a friend’s. She’s now been found somewhere to live a few miles away by the council homeless team.
That’s the background and finally I’ve got to the bit I need advice on. The police put me in touch with a domestic abuse organisation who can help me get an injunction to prevent her harassing me, coming to the house etc. But I would like, in future when things have calmed down, to be able to meet her somewhere public for a coffee or a meal. The woman I spoke to said that was an unusual request as it was usual for there to be no contact between the parties (who are of course usually partners and not mother and daughter) and I’d have to ask the judge.
I’m now wondering if I’m doing the right thing. It’s a huge deal to cut your 18-year-old daughter out of your life. Perhaps it would be better if I warned her that I won’t get the injunction this time, but that I want her to stay away from our home and if she won’t, I’ll then have no choice.
She’s not a monster - the other day she cut my lawn and my elderly mom’s lawn without being asked. She’s had some awful experiences and gone through a lot. But I can’t keep on being her punchbag.
And she won’t get help for her anger or binge drinking. She went to Camhs when she was younger and saw a counsellor last year but won’t really engage.

OP posts:
andannabegins · 18/04/2020 14:59

Just a different point of view. I am an adoptive parent of the 'granddaughter'. I fostered her straight from hospital from an almost 18 year old troubled child who had been in and out of care. She too was given every chance and was ok in the contact centre. She was going to be given a mum and baby placement but had already messed one up with a previous child. My dd is great and a happy 10 year old. Well done for adopting those little girls but also breaking the cycle with your granddaughter x

Papergirl1968 · 18/04/2020 16:03

Thank you everyone for your support, it means a lot.
I was having second thoughts about getting an injunction but I think now that I don’t have much choice. If or when she is told she’s not getting the baby back, she’s likely to go off the rails even more and to blame me for it.

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billy1966 · 18/04/2020 16:54

OP,
You sound amazing.
As are so many adoptive parents.

Well done for being honest and putting the baby first.

One thing that occurs to me is something a midwife friend of mine said one time about some newborns that had been born in her unit.

She remarked that their mothers had been using drugs before, and during their pregnancies.

The babies had been removed at birth, which is utterly heartbreaking.

But some babies are damaged by drug taking in vetro and will result in huge behavioural problems, that will surface as they get older.

My point is, that for some poor children the damage is done pre birth, and no amount of love and nurturing can change the awful hand life has dealt them.

Wishing you well.
I can only imagine how painful this all is for you.

Flowers
HazelBite · 18/04/2020 22:08

@billy1966 you are so right!
Many of the children available for adoption have had mothers who have drunk heavily during pregnancy, social workers (it would appear to me) are often economical with the truth about the problems some of these children have had at foster homes and at school.
There is a lot of drip feeding of information, which is not fair on the adoptive parents, and has them permanently on the back foot.
Unfortunately the children do not always show the awful behaviour when the Social Workers visit, and are liable to lie about the adoptive parents treatment of them.
Op you have done more than your best, please look after yourself Flowers

Papergirl1968 · 18/04/2020 22:15

Hazel, that exactly what’s happened to us.
Just had call from police to say she’s been charged with public order offence and an assault on me. They were expecting to get any charges but she admitted it.
As part of her bail conditions she must stay away from our address so I’ll hold off on applying for an injunction at the moment.

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billy1966 · 18/04/2020 22:28

So sorry OP, what a truly awful ball in the stomach stress load this must be for you..

@HazelBite..believe me...I had no intention of mentioning it but you are absolutely correct...information is absolutely routinely held from adoptive parents.

40 years ago it might not have been as big an issue but substance abuse is so huge now in recent years, it is a huge factor.

There is no doubt that those in the know, know that it has, and is causing enormous grief in some adoptee's homes.

user1486131602 · 18/04/2020 23:33

No drugs or drink, but similar issues with mine, because of divorce. I tried to introduce some boundaries, she left and cut me out of her life.
I can’t express how hurtful this has been.

I understand your thoughts and you deserve peace and respect, but are you sure you want to do this?

A suggestion? Perhaps you could get her rehoused? At 18 she should be independent enough to live on her own, perhaps she will see the error of her ways.

Orangers · 19/04/2020 07:47

OP, you sound like a very caring person and adoptive mum. I also think the decision you have made for the sake of your granddaughter was in her best interest.

I wonder if for your youngest child she could benefit from DBT. Maybe you know about it, in case not here is a short video to explain more. For self harming adolescents one of the standard therapies.

copycopypaste · 19/04/2020 08:49

So sorry you're going through all of this op Thanks

I'm about 10 yrs behind you. My adopted dd is already violent and has severe behavioural issues. I can pretty much see my life planned out in your posts. I'm lucky and have no end of help from Ss, pediatricians and various psychologists but she's just getting worse. I used to think nurture was stronger than nature but I'm wrong.

I think you sound like a lovely mother and have done your very best, but now is the time to start looking after yourself

Papergirl1968 · 19/04/2020 12:43

I meant to say the police weren’t expecting to get any charges...
DD2 tried DBT, Orangers, and while I thought it sounded like it would really suit her, she refused to engage. But actually last night she asked to go back to Camhs which is progress indeed.
I don’t want to cut all ties with her User, and I’m so sorry your child did that to you. I hope they come round one day.
I just can’t have her living under my roof any more, never knowing when she’ll explode. She’s a very young 18 and she’s struggled in the past with living independently, but also resents the support given when she’s been in supported accommodation.
I’m sorry you’re going through this too, Copy. It’s so hard. You know it won’t be all plain sailing but you dream of having a happy family and sadly for many adopters the reality is very different.

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rosebud2020 · 19/04/2020 12:59

My opinion might be unpopular but I think you need to give her another chance.
She is obviously at a point when she needs you most in life and you are basically rejecting her.
You've said yourself she is good with the baby but you have played a part in her not keeping the baby. This will have a deep affect on her as she may have been a good mother with the right guidance.
Out of curiosity if you were biologically related to the baby (I.e it's grandparent) would you have let the baby be put up for adoption or would you have made the effort to have the baby with you? Maybe she feels you haven't supported her with this and highlights to her that you are just an adoptive parent rather than her 'mum'.
I know with my children if they had a child there is no way I would let that child into the foster/care system if there was some way I could keep that child within the family unit.

GilbertMarkham · 19/04/2020 13:03

My opinion might be unpopular but I think you need to give her another chance.
She is obviously at a point when she needs you most in life and you are basically rejecting her.
You've said yourself she is good with the baby but you have played a part in her not keeping the baby. This will have a deep affect on her as she may have been a good mother with the right guidance.
Out of curiosity if you were biologically related to the baby (I.e it's grandparent) would you have let the baby be put up for adoption or would you have made the effort to have the baby with you? Maybe she feels you haven't supported her with this and highlights to her that you are just an adoptive parent rather than her 'mum'.
I know with my children if they had a child there is no way I would let that child into the foster/care system if there was some way I could keep that child within the family unit.

I agree.

She's had a horrific childhood by the diund of it. Too painful tk talk about.

She's now had her baby taken off her. The meer thought of that makes me hysterical.

She's so so vulnerable to addiction, sexual exploitation etc.

GilbertMarkham · 19/04/2020 13:04

*sound of it

Papergirl1968 · 19/04/2020 13:34

Give her another chance to attack me, you mean, Rosebud? I’ve had years of physical and verbal abuse from her, she’s stolen hundreds possibly thousands of pounds from me and my elderly DM, she’s smashed up our house and terrorised our pets.
How dare you suggest I’d keep the baby if she was biologically related to me? I love that baby with all my heart, but family dynamics mean I can’t have her myself. It’s because I love her so much I have to let her go. So she can have a happy, stable life, hopefully with the foster carer who adores her, instead of never knowing when her mother is going to go off on one. Yes my dd is good with her for the six hours a week she sees her. That’s very different to having her 24/7 including being kept up all night. I couldn’t trust her with a baby. Not only is her temper s concern but she drinks heavily and has a succession of boyfriends. I don’t think my granddaughter being returned to her is in her own best interests.
This was not meant to be a debate about adoption or whether the baby should go back to DD1, it was meant to be about whether I was doing the right thing in getting an injunction against DD1, given her repeated aggression towards me. I’m not going to do that at the moment as she can’t contact me anyway under her bail conditions, and I hope the court will incorporate it in the sentence, so I think we should just leave it there.

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Orangers · 19/04/2020 14:04

I think you are doing fantastically well coping here. Completely agree that what you’re doing with the baby is right. And it must be very difficult.

For the DBT I suspect it might be down to the skill and personality of the therapist. Maybe she has to see 5 or 6 before she clicks with one. It would be great if she could give it another go. Meanwhile you can reward even the slightest desirable behaviour from her with a huge amount of love and acceptance. It is very tiring and you sound like a very good parent.

ferntwist · 19/04/2020 14:46

OP it’s time to put yourself, your DM and the rest of the family first. You’ve given and given and she has used you as a punchbag.

rosebud2020 · 19/04/2020 16:00

You may have had a lot of trouble from her etc but so have a lot of mothers and their daughters.
She is at a point in her life when she needs you more than ever and you are turning your back on her. Don't get the injunction tell her how much you love her and get her to agree to counselling.

With regards to the baby situation you may have felt you done the right thing but in her eyes you have betrayed her.
Also hand on heart if that baby was biologically related to you would you have let that baby go into care? Very unlikely you would have and not would any other grandmother.
Do you consider that child your grandchild or just her baby?

HazelBite · 19/04/2020 16:15

@rosebud2020 and @GilbertMarkham with the greatest respect you do not have any idea of what the OP has experienced.
There has to be a stop point where self preservation needs to kick in.
These children have very complex needs and the anger and violence is often relentless, inexplicable, and very often impossible to deal with.
The love fortitude and patience required to even consider taking on the majoity of DC's that are nowadays available for adoption is immense.
The ongoing trauma that the OP has been living with I can't even imagine.
She is doing the loving and compassionate thing for the grandchild, I', sure she has only ever done her best. Biology, or otherwise has nothing to do with it!

TigerKingisMental · 19/04/2020 16:15

rosebud you are seriously out of order. Back off and leave this poor woman alone.

Papergirl1968 · 19/04/2020 16:16

I consider her my 100 per cent my grandchild, Rosebud.
I didn’t “let” the baby go into care, a court ordered it at the request of children’s services. We were hoping she could come home and had - still have - a nursery all ready for her with everything a baby could possibly need.
My daughters’ birth mother had an awful childhood, my daughters had an awful childhood till they were taken into care, and I want to prevent my granddaughter being the third generation of birth family to have an awful childhood too. In being totally upfront and honest with Children’s services about what my daughter can be like, I’m doing what I think is best for the baby, although of course children's services will make the recommendation and the court will decide.
You’re the one who seems to think adopted children and their offspring are second rate, not me.
Please back off. You're causing a great deal of distress at what is already a very difficult time with your comments and this thread was not about the baby.

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BigSandyBalls2015 · 19/04/2020 16:18

I think the OP has tried her very best and now needs to put herself first for her mental health and distance herself from her eldest DD.

I would prob have had a very different approach had I not seen my friend go through this and become a shadow of herself, almost resulting in a complete breakdown.

BigSandyBalls2015 · 19/04/2020 16:19

I’ve got a very diff view of adoption now and I’m adopted myself!

rosebud2020 · 19/04/2020 16:23

No one is saying being adopted in second rate.
I'm saying to look at it from your daughters point of view.
You came on here for advice. Just because you're not liking what your hearing you want people to back off.
You seem determined to get an injunction when there are alternative options. She is your daughter don't abandon her at the worst point of her life. She has lost her baby. Her actions and anger all point to someone who is crying out to be loved and feel secure. Don't give up on her because it's an easier option.
She has already told you that she fears she could end up in sex work.
Let her come home and give her another try. She is your daughter and needs you!

copycopypaste · 19/04/2020 16:30

I'm afraid if you've never experienced this then it's impossible to empathise with the op.

OP I think you are doing, and have dine exactly the right thing. My thoughts and sympathies go out to you

NagaisAce · 19/04/2020 16:33

@rosebud2020. I feel the OP needed some advice from someone who has been there. Not someone dealing with difficult teens, who needed to be created with love and care no matter what they throw at you - quite literally in this case.
With the greatest of respect I think you should bow out as you are not helping OP. I am lord than sure that its taken alot to get to where she is and needs support not vilification for some very difficult decisions.
Are we supposed to allow 18 year olds forever to grow up or do they need to take some responsibility at some point OR say I'm struggling please help. This 18 is going neither!!!
Maybe she needs a shock and to reach bottom before she can climb back up and reach for helping hands.
OP all respect to you.

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