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Domestic abuse from teenage daughter

159 replies

Papergirl1968 · 16/04/2020 23:39

I don’t know if this is the best place to post.
My daughters, 18 and 15, are adopted. Both have lots of issues and the oldest in particular has always been very angry.
She binge drinks and is a very unpleasant drunk, with verbal abuse, foul language, physical aggression and smashing up the house.
In the last few weeks she’s kicked and punched me, and then on Saturday she threw a heavy book hard at me, the corner of which caught me just above my eye. I was ok apart from a red, sore mark but I could have been blinded.
She was screaming abuse at me and bits of saliva were coming out of her mouth - she was literally spitting with rage. She kicked the front door repeatedly and threatened to kill me so I rang 999.
One of the police who came asked how likely I thought it on a scale of 1-10 that she’d seriously hurt me one day and I said seven or eight. She is small and I’m quite a big woman but I’m not getting any younger - early 50s - and she just doesn’t hold back at all, but loses all control. I am pretty sure that if there happened to be a kitchen knife lying around when she was in one of these rages she wouldn’t hesitate to use it. One of our cats is terrified of her and hides away from her.
I’m usually the target of her anger and it’s usually when she’s drunk but she also kicked off in a shop the other day because they refused to sell her an energy drink, and she came home one night boasting about how she’d beaten up a girl on a bus, and she wasn’t drunk on those occasions. I don’t think she’s into drugs, because she saw what drugs did to her birth mother.
Anyway, in the past she’s been charged several times with assaulting me but this time the police didn’t seem to want to arrest her - understandable given how busy they are at the moment - and took her to a friend’s. She’s now been found somewhere to live a few miles away by the council homeless team.
That’s the background and finally I’ve got to the bit I need advice on. The police put me in touch with a domestic abuse organisation who can help me get an injunction to prevent her harassing me, coming to the house etc. But I would like, in future when things have calmed down, to be able to meet her somewhere public for a coffee or a meal. The woman I spoke to said that was an unusual request as it was usual for there to be no contact between the parties (who are of course usually partners and not mother and daughter) and I’d have to ask the judge.
I’m now wondering if I’m doing the right thing. It’s a huge deal to cut your 18-year-old daughter out of your life. Perhaps it would be better if I warned her that I won’t get the injunction this time, but that I want her to stay away from our home and if she won’t, I’ll then have no choice.
She’s not a monster - the other day she cut my lawn and my elderly mom’s lawn without being asked. She’s had some awful experiences and gone through a lot. But I can’t keep on being her punchbag.
And she won’t get help for her anger or binge drinking. She went to Camhs when she was younger and saw a counsellor last year but won’t really engage.

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TigerKingisMental · 19/04/2020 16:37

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rosebud2020 · 19/04/2020 16:40

NaigAis What is the right advice to give then? Only the advice the Op wants to hear? That's she's made the right decision?

I am seeing it from the daughters point of view which is also very important.
She sounds like she is an awful emotional mess and needs unconditional love and help.
She has lost her child and probably has many many issues regarding her up bringing.
I just feel really sad for her.

rosebud2020 · 19/04/2020 16:42

Tiger only your advice is the right one is it?
Ok

mbosnz · 19/04/2020 16:42

I'm sorry, but are you in all seriousness telling a victim of serious domestic violence, to give their abuser another chance to abuse them? Regardless of whether it is your daughter, son, husband, or wife, that is not okay.

rosebud2020 · 19/04/2020 16:48

When it is your child you try to work things out and support that child. Of course she shouldn't be attacking her mother. But she has a lot of issues and not a conventional upbringing.
I'm just saying instead of an injunction which will feel like abandonment to her daughter why not try and get counselling/mediation. Work on seeing it from her daughters point of view and show her unconditional love.

billy1966 · 19/04/2020 16:51

The OP has been trying for years and clearly loves her daughter.

She loved her GD enough to know that her best chance was not with her young, self destructive mother.

Loving a child deeply does not mean accepting being assaulted by them repeatedly.

I love my 4 children deeply but would I accept any of them assaulting me?.

No I most certainly would not and I make no apology about that.

The OP has not failed her adoptive daughter, she has tried for many years and suffered for it.

Her daughter is a mess because of the 8 years of neglect that she suffered at the hands of her birth mother.

The OP has been trying for years to do what she can.

I can only imagine the stress and upset she has gone through.

Loving your child does NOT mean you have to put up with your house being trashed and your person being assaulted.

I have boundaries that would not accept that from anyone....including my children.

The OP has every right to lay down a marker.
Her daughter will have to help herself.

Her mother is NOT her physical punching bag.

She needs to learn that OUTSIDE her family home.

mbosnz · 19/04/2020 16:53

No, when it is your child, you make it clear that every individual has a right and a responsibility to keep themselves and the other members of the family directly affected by their violence and abuse, safe.

gamerchick · 19/04/2020 16:55

If an adult is abusing you then they need to be removed. Unconditional love doesn't mean taking violence or having your house smashed up. There comes a point where they need to take responsibility.

Why don't you take her in then rosebud if you think you can do a better job?

OP I feel for you, she needs to find her own way. Hopefully she engages and finds a way to regulate her temper so you can start a new relationship. She might in time.

rosebud2020 · 19/04/2020 16:57

Whatever the right answer is I just pray that the young girl gets herself sorted out and gets the right support and help from someone out there. It is a hard situation for everyone x

TigerKingisMental · 19/04/2020 16:58

@Papergirl1968 my lasr post was deleted but in it I wanted to say you did a very selfless thing in putting your GC up for adoption. She can be brought up in peace away from the stress and turmoil your poor daughter is in. You did the right thing. Good on you

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rosebud2020 · 19/04/2020 17:06

Tiger you really need to stop with the personal attacks.

NagaisAce · 19/04/2020 17:12

@rosebud2020 it’s important to see things from the daughters point of view, but there is OP AND A BABY to consider too. A solution is needed that works for everyone.
OP needs to feel safe and not as if she is being attacked all the time. The baby needs to grow up away from all the drama and the possibility of a life away from the destructive lifestyle the mother is living.
The DD needs to accept she is struggling and accept help. I am sure everyone in this thread wants that but people cannot have their lives destroyed in the meantime.

mbosnz · 19/04/2020 17:14

Um, there is also the daughter's sister, who is bearing witness to these acts of domestic violence and abuse.

BeautyIsTruthandTruthBeauty · 19/04/2020 17:17

Letting the daughter repeatedly come back is just telling her it’s acceptable to beat her mother black and blue and do what she likes. As harsh as it is, sometimes you have to let people hit rock bottom before they can really change.

As for the baby, she would have been taken into care regardless of what the OP said, I think. It’s actually quite difficult for a baby to be removed at birth so social services must have had serious concerns (and any type of DV is a major red flag). They would have been involved from the beginning of her pregnancy due to her history, she would have had a chance to see lots of professionals to prove herself. Midwife, health visitor, police, probation etc. would all give an opinion and then a court. You make it sound like the OP can just say hmm I’m not sure my daughter can look after this baby, can you take her? Doesn’t work like that.

You just cannot risk a newborn baby being cared for by someone who’s that volatile. It’s extremely sad but the baby’s safety has to come first. Imagine the baby ended up dead...you can’t say oh well, at least we gave the mother a chance. Social services would be rightly crucified. Even if she never hurt the baby, witnessing her grandmother being attacked will still be very damaging. I can’t see that there was any other option (I’ve worked on some DV cases and I don’t know of any where the children haven’t been removed). As long as that cycle keeps being perpetuated, OP lets daughter come back, gets attacked again etc etc she will have zero chance of getting her baby back. And it will happen again. People with these kind of anger issues do not change without major intervention.

OP MARAC have some information on their website about child to parent abuse support. I hope you’re getting support in real life. Sounds like you’ve done everything you can for her at the moment. You shouldn’t have to tolerate that, biological child or not, if they’re very vulnerable or not. You did an amazing thing adopting those children.

TigerKingisMental · 19/04/2020 17:17

personal attacks! That's a bit rich don't you think Hmm

Telling a mother who has endured extensive abuse she got rid of her GC because her daughter was adopted. Doesn't actually get more personal than that.

The OP asked you repeatedly to back off as you were causing her distress but you ignored her. Think you need to go a do som thinking and leave this poor woman alone.

SusieOwl4 · 19/04/2020 17:30

@Papergirl1968 you are quite right to defend yourself about the baby going into care . I know someone whose daughter has behaved in a similar way ( not adopted) and she ended up on the streets and pregnant . Everyone tried to help her . Family social services the police . Every bit of help she rejected it and the baby was severely neglected . In the end it has taken social service a year to take the baby into care and she is still getting offers of help that she is not adhering to . And guess what everyone is to blame except her . Her own mother can not take the grandson in ( for reasons I won’t go into ) and it is breaking her heart . So I know that no one would have taken the decision lightly . And hopefully the baby will have a better life .

managedmis · 19/04/2020 17:47

People need to bear in mind the OP needs to be considered in all this, too. She cannot keep on giving and giving and giving.

rosebud2020 · 19/04/2020 17:58

Tiger seriously stop with the personal attacks.
We have different opinions.
I have not attacked the OP.
She asked for advice. gave opinion on how her daughter might feel.

mbosnz · 19/04/2020 18:03

What about her other daughter? The one witnessing the violent attacks by her sister on her mother? Does she matter at all? Her physical and mental wellbeing. . .

TigerKingisMental · 19/04/2020 18:46

I'm simply repeating what you have said Rose if you feel that is an attack maybe you should re read what you have written and how upset you made the OP.

@Papergirl1968 I'm sorry for getting heated on your thread, I just felt you didn't deserve any of that nonsense being thrown at you when you are trying to do the right thing. I hope you are still reading this and keeping your chin up. You really didn't deserve any of this and I hope you and your youngest are feeling safer in your own home now Flowers

mbosnz · 19/04/2020 18:52

I don't think you've attacked, TigerKingisMental.

I had a very dear friend who was being dragged round the floor by her hair by her twelve year old daughter. She finally broke down and told us about it, and got strength from us, her friends, to refuse to continue to accept this abuse, and to reach out to the police to get help and protection. That help and protection meant the mother and other children were able to become physically and mentally safer and stronger, and that the daughter learned that she was not allowed to treat other people like this. For any reason.

Having that boundary put in place, with consequences, meant that she ultimately became amenable to accepting that her behaviour was not okay, that she needed to learn new behaviours, and to accept the help and support to do so, that was available, had been offered, had been rejected numerous times, but now, finally, she got the message.

I shudder (literally, not MN shudder) to think what might have happened to my friend, and her daughter, if she'd continued to suffer in embarrassed, ashamed, and parentally martyred, silence.

iswhois · 19/04/2020 19:01

So sad that love isn't enough sometimes

The best decision was made re. Her baby. the sad truth is she will probably go down the same path as her birth mother

rosebud2020 · 19/04/2020 19:05

Tiger please stop aiming comments at me. We have difference of opinions. You need to just accept that and stop getting so heated.

TigerKingisMental · 19/04/2020 19:05

Thanks mbosnz

That sounds horrific but ultimately the right outcome prevailed.

This is what grips me, the victim blaming.