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Witchesandwizards · 11/04/2020 16:32

I met my kiwi husband 13 years ago in London, I am 48, he is 42 and we have two children, 10 and 7. We moved to NZ October 2019 against my wishes, but my husband always wanted to come back.

It was always an understanding that at some point we would move to NZ but this was decided before children, before my parents became frail and it kept getting put off as we built a successful and comfortable life in London with a close network of friends. I hoped that this would mean we didn’t have to move. By the time he decided we should move, I didn’t want to, but my husband held me to a ‘promise’ I had made 12 years earlier, and despite a lot of arguments, we set the wheels in motion and moved 6 months ago.

Immediately I felt homesick and suddenly realised that I had taken my life for granted, but emotionally I still felt in control and we threw ourselves into finding a house. And when we moved into that house, I looked forward to our container arriving and then it was Christmas. I spent 4 months either expecting things to improve or busy with the holidays. I still cried, we still had arguments, but nothing could prepare me for how I felt when the kids went back to school.

At the start of February it hit me like a ton of bricks that I have left most of my family and all my friends, my career, the home we renovated together, the city I love and my country of birth. It dawned that the rest of my life could be unhappy, living in a place I hate and don’t belong. At almost 50, I don’t really have much chance of building a life that is as fulfilling as my old one - I feel bereft and trapped. The best way I can describe it is that it feels like I’m in a coma and someone is trying to turn off my life support and however hard I try to yell, I can’t make them understand that I’m alive. I feel trapped in a nightmare - I have lost all control over my life. It’s a horror movie. I can’t even look back at last year and all the planning and believe I actually came. It’s a blur. I don’t know how I got on the plane.
Everything I do reminds me of an occasion, place or person from home. Hundreds of times a day. Music makes me sad, photos make me sad, social media makes me sad. I’ve always been the sort of person who can compartmentalise my problems, and still get up every day and find something to enjoy, putting a face on through hard times and still functioning well at work and socially. But now I only function for the children and nothing brings me joy. I have deserted my parents when they need me most, I argue and fight with my husband in front of the children, I don’t earn a living and I am horrible to live with.

Consequently, we are having terrible marriage problems - I’m not playing ball and embracing life as he wants me to, and he says I am negative. He is the classic extrovert and I am a natural introvert but with extrovert ‘cover’ when needed - he thinks I should socialise more to get out of my rut, find a job (after a 24 year career in advertising, I can’t get work for logistical/childcare reasons, age and now probably recession), and is pissed off that I don’t want to hang out with his family all the time (I don’t particularly get on with them). In return I have been absolutely vile to live with, lashing out (not physically) because I blame and resent him for my situation. He is now talking about separation but has said I can’t take the children home so I would have to stay here with 50% access, spending half my time alone in a country I never wanted to live in. I don’t know if I love him, I can’t see the wood for the trees.
I know I am depressed, but what good are anti-depressants, I need a time machine.

If you got this far thank you! There is nothing anyone can do to help but writing it down maybe helped. Or maybe not. 3.30am and I'm done x

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Witchesandwizards · 07/06/2020 21:42

Apparently recordings, even secret ones, can be used in court here.

But this one was vital as it is concrete proof of what he does/ has been doing our entire relationship.
Goading and saying vile things in arguments and winding me up to such an extent that I lose my shit. I've always told him that there are much cleverer, more personal and nastier ways to hurt someone than generic name calling (my default, and the worse I do is to call him a cunt because I know he hates it).

Admitting he doesn't remember / didn't mean telling me he doesn't love me because I have stopped looking after him x 20 times in an hour while I sob and ask him why didn't he tell me before we left, opens him up to the question of blame in our entire relationship.
He can't answer this - as a self confessed binge drinker, he is not qualified to say what he has and has not said in past drunken arguments.

The idea that this is the first time he has done this is laughable. But of course true to form.

I replied to his idea (contract). I have said before, and I think it is quite reasonable, that we have a two year trial. If I am still unhappy after this we or I, can return home. He refused before, but I said that no one deserves to be unhappy for more than two years.

@Gutterton is right - I need him out. Until this weekend we have not spoken for weeks anyway, just choreograph awkwardly around each other and ignore each other and he makes me feel uncomfortable.

I also haven't witnessed him drinking for weeks - he must be doing that elsewhere.

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crispysausagerolls · 07/06/2020 21:52

Goading and saying vile things in arguments and winding me up to such an extent that I lose my shit

He can’t make you lose your shit. You are responsible for your actions. Find a way to just walk away from it, physically or mentally. Stop engaging and stop “losing your shit”. Just ignore or diffuse.

crispysausagerolls · 07/06/2020 21:53

i replied to his idea (contract). I have said before, and I think it is quite reasonable, that we have a two year trial. If I am still unhappy after this we or I, can return home. He refused before, but I said that no one deserves to be unhappy for more than two years

This is very reasonable

AcrossthePond55 · 07/06/2020 23:07

Goading and saying vile things in arguments and winding me up to such an extent that I lose my shit

Which is exactly why he goads you. 'Losing your shit' makes you the 'loser' and him the 'winner'. As long as he doesn't 'lose his shit' and can make you lose yours, he can feel superior and 'justified'.

Really want to get his goat? Assume a condescending tone. Reply as if he's foolish instead of infuriating. If you're lucky, he'll stomp off to Mummy's for a day or two.

justilou1 · 07/06/2020 23:45

Again if you lose your cool, you will appear to be either unstable or childish (immature) - even stupid. You must be better than that at ALL times. NOBODY makes you do or think anything. These are choices you make yourself. Breathe. Breathe again. Choose not to react. He won’t know what to do if YOU move the goalposts by behaving in a manner he can’t legally dispute. No swearing or name-calling. No irrational, moody shit. You MUST appear calm. (I know it’s hard because he is provoking you.)

Witchesandwizards · 08/06/2020 00:07

Sorry, I meant the ‘losing my shit’ thing historically. I actually realised I should avoid him when drunk or hungover a couple of years ago. Not always possible, and I did lose it a several times in February when I had my meltdown, but I haven’t got embroiled in anything more than a spoken argument since the night he came back on April 5th. Pretty much just ignored him since then.

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Happynow001 · 08/06/2020 02:25

@Witchesandwizards
Apparently recordings, even secret ones, can be used in court here.
Keep those recordings safe. Maybe forward them to an email or iCloud address he's unaware of and has no password/access to.

justilou1 · 08/06/2020 02:39

Hard copy needs to be kept off site as soft copies can crash.

S0upertrooper · 08/06/2020 03:03

OP, I understand how you feel. 9 months ago we made a similar move for my DH's job. Leaving the UK was a stressful process and living in a different continent and culture has been a shocker to the system.

I'm 53, menopausal, not working and feel I have little value. I cried a lot at the beginning but after 6 months I felt my mood lightened, then Covid lockdown hit. It's a really tough time to have made such a move because the whole world is in turmoil.

Other women expats have told me that it took them at least a year to settle into their new life. In the meantime, I'd consider counselling and see what your counsellor thinks about medication. You're not alone but I think your husband has to be more patient with you, this is a slow process.

Witchesandwizards · 08/06/2020 07:27

All emailed to an address he doesn't know about.

Here's here at the moment.
He pops in for an hour after work to see the kids and then leaves for dinner with his mum.
It's a pattern I'm keen to establish to cement myself as main caregiver. Obviously I am anyway, but I'm going to fight tooth and nail to have more than 50% custody if it comes to it.

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Witchesandwizards · 08/06/2020 07:28

He's here
Whoops, just back from 'gin Monday' Grin

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Gutterton · 08/06/2020 10:25

Have you both sat down together with the DCs to tell them about the current set up? It is critical that you have an overt proactive conversation. They can’t be left worried about what is going on.

Gutterton · 08/06/2020 10:29

Also it can be very therapeutic to re-read you’re thread from the beginning - you will see things with different eyes and feelings which will give you greater insight and the ability to consolidate you your resilience and direction. Things suggested early on might make more sense now that you have steadied yourself and have more clarity.

notapizzaeater · 08/06/2020 10:42

I agree, you need to sit the kids down and explain what's happening, they will obv be picking up on stuff and better you controlling what's said.

justilou1 · 08/06/2020 10:46

Also might be worth asking what they would prefer... staying or going home. That way they can pressure him also, and make him the bad guy also.

Gutterton · 08/06/2020 11:52

Good point justilou1 - that might be the conversation to secretly record - asking the DCs where they would like to be living (but not with the split family option because that’s too much of an emotional burden).

Just ask an open question - “Would you prefer us ALL to be back living in London coming to NZ for holidays or would you prefer us ALL living in NZ and going to London for holidays” - you could ask them that subtly anytime ahead of the family chat.

Then everything HE does to stop you ALL returning lands squarely in his lap and he has to take sole responsibility for not meeting the wishes of his children - because currently he is manipulating the situation and goading you so that you are painted as the crazy, angry, aggressive loon and he is the victim Disney Dad.

Ensure the DCs know who is the architect of this mess the family finds itself in - alcoholic home, toxic stressful family life, financially worse off - and now the family has broken down and is divorcing.

If your DCs would prefer you ALL back in London with NZ for holidays - make it clear that you DH is holding all the cards and has an opportunity to reverse all of this - to keep their family unit in tact and give them their lives in London back.

Make it clear HE is choosing not to facilitate this and he has chosen his drunk mother, his own alcoholism and the fake job/company ownership with much less money over the needs and wants of his children.

I don’t mean have a slanging match in front of the DCs or rant and rave about their father to them - what I mean is set up a calm discussion for the 4 of you and ask calm direct and questions of your DH or what he is prepared to do etc - you don’t need to judge him - he just needs to answer in front of his DCs - so they are clear what the options are (ie you ALL returning to the UK) and who is holding all the power.

Select500 · 08/06/2020 15:39

OP, as a fellow expat this sentence:

Everything I do reminds me of an occasion, place or person from home. Hundreds of times a day. Music makes me sad, photos make me sad, social media makes me sad.

Yes.

So easy for people here to tell you your career exists in NZ. As someone who's actually moved to a foreign country, I know how jobs don't translate.

I've dm'd you as we have a lot in common. You're not alone and I totally get your feelings of frustration and rage.

WhitbyGoth · 08/06/2020 18:32

Read right through the thread and wanted to say please don't be lonely, we are all here for you OP.

Witchesandwizards · 09/06/2020 00:14

Thank you, I will reply to the new posts once I am home, but here is his response to me asking if we can do a two year trial:

“I think you need to go and speak to someone about everything.

  • if not for yourself - do it for the kids.”

Complete denial that he is an alcoholic, abusive son of a bitch (see what I did there Grin) who has forced me into this position.

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justilou1 · 09/06/2020 00:41

Also suggest the kids need to be speaking to counselors at the moment if they aren’t already.

Witchesandwizards · 09/06/2020 01:07

That’s what I told him.
I’m going to ask my lovely lawyer for recommendations. As a family lawyer with 30 years experience he should know the best.

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Witchesandwizards · 09/06/2020 01:09

And I might as well. Can’t do any harm.

Just swam off some of my anger.
So shocked by his lack of empathy and gaslighting. He clearly gives zero fucks about me.

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tribpot · 09/06/2020 06:54

So his brilliant idea of a contract wasn't a way for you both to find a compromise after all? Just another way to tie you up in knots of supposed obligation. What a surprise. Hopefully at least that one is now put to rest.

I would be wary of giving the kids the impression the family unit would stay together if you returned to London. There's surely no coming back from his behaviour since you went to NZ?

Btw at some point do ask him to do something about his alcohol problem 'if not for yourself, do it for the kids'.

crispysausagerolls · 09/06/2020 07:45

At the risk of
Being ripped to shreds, is his response not reflective of you chopping and changing your mind so often? Eg you initially thought the contract was a bad idea and now have gone back and said you like it. Maybe he is responding like this due to the volatility/inconsistency? I’m
In no way defending his actions, just trying to see this from his point of view.

Poppopparthenope · 09/06/2020 09:49

How would you feel - and other women on here too - if you found out your husband was secretly recording you and your conversations?