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He told me he’d lost his child in an accident

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myredcardiganbob · 23/02/2020 11:18

I posted a thread the other week asking for advice about how to ‘get over’ the embarrassment of making a mistake. The jist of it was that I sent a message to a fairly new date after not hearing from him since the day before which was unusual (more than 24 hours), he sent an angry response saying his parents had been involved in a car accident and he’d been busy with that (sorry, I don’t know how to link the thread). We spoke on the phone the following night, all seemed to be okay, he apologised for snapping in his message reply and I apologised for thinking he had perhaps changed his mind about me. We then messaged normally for the next few days and made an arrangement to meet the following weekend. On the day, I didn’t hear from him with his train time and have heard nothing since (and don’t expect to!).

On our very first date, he told me that his elder daughter had been killed by running out in front of a car at the age of 4. He and his wife went on to have another daughter, who is now coming up for 2, but that their marriage just couldn’t survive their grief and that was the reason for their separation. His first daughter was mentioned very naturally through all of our dates, how different she was in temperament to their other daughter; what the months felt like following her death and so on; how his parents felt etc.

Last weekend, knowing that I wasn’t going to hear from him, I had a social media nosy (I hadn’t done anything like that while we were seeing each other). He has no fb profile which he’d already told me, but his wife does. They are definitely not together... but there is no sign of there ever being an older daughter. None at all. Not that I expected a death announcement or anything like that but there was simply nothing and the dates of all of their photos didn’t give an opportunity for there to have been a child, if that makes sense (holiday pics, family parties, weddings etc). In Scotland, records of all births, marriages, divorces and deaths have to be in the public domain, you can search for them via the national records website. So I looked there. There was no birth or death record of this wee girl.

I cannot fathom why someone would tell such a despicable lie, I’ve made peace with the fact I’m no longer seeing this person but as the days go on, I feel more and more upset about being so conned, in fact I feel really funny about it. What kind of person makes up a story like that and what does it say about me that he ‘needed’ to make something like this up? I know people can tell untruths and exaggerate in dating but this story was bloody awful.

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CalleighDoodle · 23/02/2020 17:20

I have no idea what is wrong with people on here today. Some responses have been ridiculous.

Op, you had a nose on sm, things didnt add up, did some searches, exposed inaccuracies.

The main thing however is how rude he was to you. You dont need that at the start of a relationship. Without anything else thats enough to say let’s move on.

If his parents were actually in an accident ill eat my hat.

Some people lie to excuse how Poorly they are planning to treat people.

AlwaysOnAbloodyDiet · 23/02/2020 18:21

I haven't read the entire thread, just wanted to suggest that maybe the child had a different surname to her dad - her mum's or a double barreled surname.
Also, maybe children's details aren't available to the public.

Although, yes it's also likely that he's a pathological liar. Consider it a lucky escape

myredcardiganbob · 23/02/2020 18:22

CalleighDoodle, that’s pretty much it, thank you. And the angry tone... no, it wasn’t very nice and I wish I’d been assertive enough to tell him that instead of beating myself up apologising.

Thank you.

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MaxNormal · 23/02/2020 18:24

Also, maybe children's details aren't available to the public.

All birth and death records are there, age isn't relevant.

lyralalala · 23/02/2020 18:26

Also, maybe children's details aren't available to the public.

Birth and death certificates are a matter of public record in Scotland so they are available.

Anyone can search the indexes, and buy a copy of, any birth, death or marriage record.

myredcardiganbob · 23/02/2020 18:50

Alwaysonabloodydiet, thank you, it’s law in Scotland for the records to be held and published, including children, stillbirths are the only exception.

I had thought of the name thing too, unless the wee girl had a surname that was not her mum’s maiden name/her dad’s surname or double barrelled of both, she still didn’t appear. But that could be the answer that I didn’t think of, that she had an entirely different surname, families choose to do things in different ways, I guess.

I’m going to sign-off from this but again am most appreciative to everyone for your thoughts.

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Apolloanddaphne · 23/02/2020 18:56

Myb DD died when she was 5 and I found her entry easily.

MaxNormal · 23/02/2020 19:47

@Apolloanddaphne I'm so very sorry.

lyralalala · 23/02/2020 19:52

In searching family history back to the 1700s I’ve only ever found two records not there. Any others that seemed to be missing were misspellings, either on my part or theirs, or looking in the wrong area or year or typing the names in the wrong order on the search boxes

Pandamoore · 23/02/2020 19:53

The mans a lunatic and you've dodged a bullet. He was setting you up to tolerate any shit behaviour because 'oh poor me I've had a hard life'. That parental car accident was bullshit as well.

Thefaceofboe · 23/02/2020 20:21

What was her name OP? Are you sure isn’t a nn of some kind? Kate for Katherine? Etc

myredcardiganbob · 23/02/2020 21:30

Apolloanddaphne, I’m really sorry for your loss, I am very appreciative of the effort you have made to use the site to search for your daughter’s record Flowers

No pet names/contracted names, one very short, popular name.

Again, thanks all for your thoughts. I wasn’t going to post again, some of the views (of me) have been turning around in my head as the day has worn on along with the notion from many I am wrong and that what I have done, is wrong. I haven’t named the person, I have no plans to contact, I had nothing to gain from posting here aside from the hope that some words of wisdom of why someone might do this might have made me feel a bit less strange (it’s very hard to describe the feeling!) about the whole thing. So many of you have been kind and have shared experiences and advice, thank you for that.

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Patroclus · 23/02/2020 22:30

You can see the conditioning on here, people ignoring the op ad posting ridiculous theories about why an obvious bullshitter isnt

Antibles · 23/02/2020 22:31

1/100 people has a personality disorder OP. No conscience, empathy or remorse. No real ability to love. They lie, hurt, cheat and manipulate for no other reason than they are programmed that way. In the absence of the brain wiring to love others, they get their kicks by addictions or by controlling and manipulating others. I've decided it's the inevitable answer for when you are truly baffled about how another human being can behave a certain despicable way. The surest signal you are dealing with a narcissist or sociopath is, surprisingly, the pity play because they know you will let someone you feel sorry for get away with a lot more in the way of bad behaviour.

CalleighDoodle · 23/02/2020 22:39

Op, you should feel reassured. You felt something wasn't right and you didnt ignore your gut and blindly believe what didn't make sense to be true. Trust your instincts. Keep good boundaries.

Lots of people are in terrible situations on mn because they ignored early signs, they forgave early poor behaviour, and excused it.

Alwahs remember you dont need particular reasons to end a relationship. If it doesn't feel right, move on,

Thinkingabout1t · 24/02/2020 00:31

OP, it’s natural to feel upset when someone has conned you in such a personal way. I don’t know exactly why but, to me, it is a shock and feels a bit like an attack. Nasty experience, and I’m glad you are moving on.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 24/02/2020 03:34

@myredcardiganbob - don't let the pearl-clutchers upset you.
You have done nothing wrong - you had a bad feeling, you checked into it, things didn't add up, you checked further and then things REALLY didn't add up.
You've done the right thing for yourself and you've done NO HARM to the exW, or the loon who you went on a date with - all you've done is kept yourself safer.

Well done. Thanks

myredcardiganbob · 24/02/2020 08:06

Thank you Flowers

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Notcoolmum · 24/02/2020 08:45

When I first met my ex he made up a phone call telling him a friend had died. A few years later he mentioned said friend in passing as he had clearly forgotten. It need occurred to me to doubt him as who would make up such a thing? Well done for trusting your instincts OP.

MuseumOfYou · 24/02/2020 09:17

When my sister was getting divorced, it came out that her DH had lied about having a brother who was killed in a car accident, aged 13, which he told her on the second date.

He had spent the whole 7 years telling her that his parents were so traumatised, there were no photos and it must never be mentioned to them.

FizzyGreenWater · 24/02/2020 10:07

OP you did nothing wrong.

I think your antennae were up from the moment he instantly had a huge 'ace up his sleeve' drama that he could bat back at you the second you pulled him up on something. No, his parents probably weren't in a car accident at all.

It is amazing how many people lie like this. Mixture of insecurity, wanting to be amazing and different and 'brave', wanting a get out of jail free card for bad behaviour. It's really common.

If they had social media around the time of their DD's death then the tone of posting/posts by others would reflect something awful having happened even if no overt statement was made. And the fact that she just doesn't seem to have existed? Of course you checked it out - you knew he'd lied.

Never contact him again, and if he contacts you, simply tell him you know what a horrific liar he is and to stay well away.

PaterPower · 24/02/2020 11:05

I worked with a guy once (we were in our early twenties) who had, at various times:

Played Basketball for his country (he was 5’10” and showed no obvious ability)
Played Rugby at U20 level for his country (again, 5’10” and skinny - not likely)
Owned a handgun (which he was always going to bring in “tomorrow” to show us)
Had a Porsche driving Dad (who used to turn up in a battered Fiesta)

And those were just the highlights. He was always making stuff up or massively exaggerating. Could have been something he grew out of, but I think it probably became ingrained.

Some people do lie and about really awful stuff. There’ve been cases of men and women that have defrauded their communities by raising funds for their (or their kids) non-existent cancer etc.

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