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He told me he’d lost his child in an accident

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myredcardiganbob · 23/02/2020 11:18

I posted a thread the other week asking for advice about how to ‘get over’ the embarrassment of making a mistake. The jist of it was that I sent a message to a fairly new date after not hearing from him since the day before which was unusual (more than 24 hours), he sent an angry response saying his parents had been involved in a car accident and he’d been busy with that (sorry, I don’t know how to link the thread). We spoke on the phone the following night, all seemed to be okay, he apologised for snapping in his message reply and I apologised for thinking he had perhaps changed his mind about me. We then messaged normally for the next few days and made an arrangement to meet the following weekend. On the day, I didn’t hear from him with his train time and have heard nothing since (and don’t expect to!).

On our very first date, he told me that his elder daughter had been killed by running out in front of a car at the age of 4. He and his wife went on to have another daughter, who is now coming up for 2, but that their marriage just couldn’t survive their grief and that was the reason for their separation. His first daughter was mentioned very naturally through all of our dates, how different she was in temperament to their other daughter; what the months felt like following her death and so on; how his parents felt etc.

Last weekend, knowing that I wasn’t going to hear from him, I had a social media nosy (I hadn’t done anything like that while we were seeing each other). He has no fb profile which he’d already told me, but his wife does. They are definitely not together... but there is no sign of there ever being an older daughter. None at all. Not that I expected a death announcement or anything like that but there was simply nothing and the dates of all of their photos didn’t give an opportunity for there to have been a child, if that makes sense (holiday pics, family parties, weddings etc). In Scotland, records of all births, marriages, divorces and deaths have to be in the public domain, you can search for them via the national records website. So I looked there. There was no birth or death record of this wee girl.

I cannot fathom why someone would tell such a despicable lie, I’ve made peace with the fact I’m no longer seeing this person but as the days go on, I feel more and more upset about being so conned, in fact I feel really funny about it. What kind of person makes up a story like that and what does it say about me that he ‘needed’ to make something like this up? I know people can tell untruths and exaggerate in dating but this story was bloody awful.

OP posts:
datasgingercatspot · 23/02/2020 13:26

I didn't know marriage records included divorces - the name isn't a clue.

You didn't know that public records include dissolutions of marriages Hmm? Might want to Google, it comes up right away, decree absoluts are public record. Lots of things are! Public record, the name is a clue Hmm.

But looking up details of people's children - that's not on.

Public record. The clue is in the name, public.

lostinleaves · 23/02/2020 13:28

You didn't know that public records include dissolutions of marriages hmm?

Why would I know that Scottish online records of births marriages and deaths also include divorces?

FlamingoAndJohn · 23/02/2020 13:31

I think there is nothing wrong with the op checking up on him. She might well have her own dc. I wouldn’t be happy with having a relationship with someone and introducing them to dc without being sure who they were first.

People lie about all sorts of stuff.
I am a teacher, I got chatting to someone a while ago and mentioned the school I work in. The woman said that her friend’s daughter goes to my school and did I know her. I said that I knew her very well as I had taught her for two years due to me moving year groups. The women then said how sad it was that the girl had had such serious cancer at such a young age. She knew because the mother had plastered it all over FB. This girl was very young and had a couple of serious health complaints. I had seen a number of medical document about this girl which included her full medical history. There was no mention of any form of cancer, cancer treatment or any such thing.
I have every reason to believe that the mother lied about the cancer. Who knows why people do stuff like this, but they do.
See also Gypsy Rose Blanchard.

Aridane · 23/02/2020 13:33

I worked as a police press officer and in newspapers for years. A young child being knocked down and killed is a massive story for local papers

Probably but not invariably

The little boy killed outside my parents’ home (in a small village no less) did not male the local press. Not sure why

datasgingercatspot · 23/02/2020 13:33

Why would I know that Scottish online records of births marriages and deaths also include divorces?

Well, if you read the OP, she states: 'In Scotland, records of all births, marriages, divorces and deaths have to be in the public domain, you can search for them via the national records website. So I looked there. There was no birth or death record of this wee girl.' So there is your sequitur, that's how you'd know, by reading the OP (and then a Google if you don't believe it). It's that easy!

Aridane · 23/02/2020 13:34

Curiosity vs ‘due diligence’ vs snooping vs creepy behaviour vs stalking

Aridane · 23/02/2020 13:35

@Fi57 - I’m afraid you are clearly a fantasist with a made up identity and / or troll Grin

BreconBeBuggered · 23/02/2020 13:36

Some of you think OP is being ridiculous/stalkerish/paranoid. That's your call. OP does not trust this man. Do you think she should give him the benefit of the doubt? Would you get entangled with someone you didn't trust?
I've known a few fantasists. Often quite charming, but for some reason they feel their real lives make a very dull tale, so they make shit up. I wouldn't get involved. Experience has taught me that soon enough everyone becomes the focus of their inventions.

Grembolina · 23/02/2020 13:38

I had an ex who would invent stories every time I was going to break up with him.

I think you had a lucky escape OP.

babbi · 23/02/2020 13:40

There’s nothing wrong with you OP and you had a lucky escape.
My friend lived with a man for 9 years and believed that his “beautiful sister “ had died a few years prior to them meeting ...
other appalling lies emerged too ...
he never had a sister ...

She was shattered ... he was a very dangerous and ultimately abusive man ....

Good luck in the future ...

datasgingercatspot · 23/02/2020 13:40

Do you think she should give him the benefit of the doubt? Would you get entangled with someone you didn't trust?

Spend time in this topic and you truly do see that a lot of people are very conditioned to tie themselves in knots to avoid ignoring their gut, instinct, spidey senses about people in a romantic setting and even to the point of disregarding very serious red flags, sadly.

Unfortunately, seems very common in real life, too.

Grumpelstilskin · 23/02/2020 13:43

Quite a few of my friends who tried OLD came across 'brave' men who apparently suffered 'tragic losses' of a child or spouse and/or survived cancer, only to then discover it to be complete lies. Sadly, it seems to be far more common than one would like to believe. Often it is a cynical ploy for 'pity lays' or to prepare the path for some serious cock-lodging to gaslight future partners to not question them on account of their trauma.

Devlesko · 23/02/2020 13:44

He is married, you were likely the bit on the side or at best rebound.
There really is no need to contact a new date so often either, he maybe thought you seemed desperate.
In future take it slowly, casually and you might attract somebody half decent.

Namechangeyay · 23/02/2020 13:44

scottish bmd records aren't always accurate though- for example theres no trace of my dad or either of my half siblings nor the majority of my aunts ever being born. but they very much were born in Scotland, they just don't exist according to bmd records

alphajuliet123 · 23/02/2020 13:45

Is the BMD register up to date? I use the England one a fair bit and it only has births up to 2006 at the moment.

Namechangeyay · 23/02/2020 13:47

(to clarify with my post- all family members we looked up on the Scottish bmd records has appropriately been registered at birth/had birth certificates, just did appear on the record. very possible his daughter just isn't on there for whatever reason)

cobwebfew · 23/02/2020 13:48

Some people lie about sick sick things for sympathy. A friend of mine told his boss his grandfather was involved in a car accident so he could get off work early, no such thing happend to his grandfather.
I'm sure it's a tale he tells most women he meets for one reason or another. If he lied about something as sinister as a child dying then the probability is his parents weren't in a car accident either.

lyralalala · 23/02/2020 14:00

Well I just checked records on line and neither of my kids are showing up

One born 2014 and one 2016 , born in Scotland

I wouldn't rely on those records

It would be very rare if two records were missing from Scotland's People. If they were registered in the same place I'd flag that up

Is the BMD register up to date? I use the England one a fair bit and it only has births up to 2006 at the moment.

The system is very different in Scotland. The BMD listings website is actually owned and run by the government. It updates regularly

DesLynamsMoustache · 23/02/2020 14:02

Is this the website those with missing records are using?

www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/

I've searched a load of things: my DD's birth, my birth, my parents' births, my nieces and nephews, my gran and grandpa's births in 1929, my parents' marriage, my own marriage. Everything has been there!

Bimbleberries · 23/02/2020 14:05

I too am familiar with people who lie about sick things to get sympathy and attention. It's really not that uncommon.

I don't think the OP is at all strange for checking on the register to see whether it was true.

I also don't think that she's a stalker for looking on social media - I'd definitely do that for someone that I was interested in dating, just to find out more about him. For those saying that social media can be totally locked down, yes of course it can, but you can also get large clues about what the real situation is if some things are visible and not others. I gathered from the OP that this was the case - that she could see a reasonable amount of information about their lives at the time, photos, holidays, family gatherings, etc, and other people - but not the child - were mentioned. It would be quite odd for someone who did publicly post things on social media to avoid ever mentioning the child who died, but not avoiding anyone else (perhaps even other children); to post photos of holidays and family gatherings, with no mention of the child; to be posting throughout the time period in question, without the slightest indication that something had happened. Even if you are very careful with what you say yourself online, it is easy for someone else who comments to give little clues about what is going on.

I'm sure that if the social media had been locked down so that there was no mention of anything at all about their lives, the OP wouldn't have drawn such conclusions. So people saying that there wouldn't be any trace of them on social media because they have it all locked down or don't share anything involving their family are likely not in that same situation.

LaurieFairyCake · 23/02/2020 14:07

I've just checked the Scottish Records and neither my parents nor my grandmothers deaths are recorded on there

They're:

  1. Definitely dead
  2. Definitely died in Scotland

SO IT COULD BE WRONG

Apolloanddaphne · 23/02/2020 14:09

That register site is fascinating. I had no idea it was so easy to look up. I found my gran from 1920 within seconds.

Apolloanddaphne · 23/02/2020 14:11

I also found my DDs death. Very poignant.

PumpkinP · 23/02/2020 14:11

I think an internet check like fb or whatever is normal but checking ex wives and birth and death registers is definitely crazy and stalkerish. My exes both parents died when he was young. I only recently checked if that was true after almost 10 years and some lies before that. This is someone op had a couple of dates with Confused

Gonetoget · 23/02/2020 14:14

If you’re an otherwise rational, sane person and not given to stalkerish behaviour. If suddenly find yourself on birth, deaths and marriages sites, looking for info on a date, then that will be your gut instinct alerting you to something.
Similar reasoning can be applied when you find your self reading websites on signs of abusive relationships, is my dh financially abusing me etc..If you need to ask, then there’s a good chance you are.
Trust your instincts.

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