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He told me he’d lost his child in an accident

172 replies

myredcardiganbob · 23/02/2020 11:18

I posted a thread the other week asking for advice about how to ‘get over’ the embarrassment of making a mistake. The jist of it was that I sent a message to a fairly new date after not hearing from him since the day before which was unusual (more than 24 hours), he sent an angry response saying his parents had been involved in a car accident and he’d been busy with that (sorry, I don’t know how to link the thread). We spoke on the phone the following night, all seemed to be okay, he apologised for snapping in his message reply and I apologised for thinking he had perhaps changed his mind about me. We then messaged normally for the next few days and made an arrangement to meet the following weekend. On the day, I didn’t hear from him with his train time and have heard nothing since (and don’t expect to!).

On our very first date, he told me that his elder daughter had been killed by running out in front of a car at the age of 4. He and his wife went on to have another daughter, who is now coming up for 2, but that their marriage just couldn’t survive their grief and that was the reason for their separation. His first daughter was mentioned very naturally through all of our dates, how different she was in temperament to their other daughter; what the months felt like following her death and so on; how his parents felt etc.

Last weekend, knowing that I wasn’t going to hear from him, I had a social media nosy (I hadn’t done anything like that while we were seeing each other). He has no fb profile which he’d already told me, but his wife does. They are definitely not together... but there is no sign of there ever being an older daughter. None at all. Not that I expected a death announcement or anything like that but there was simply nothing and the dates of all of their photos didn’t give an opportunity for there to have been a child, if that makes sense (holiday pics, family parties, weddings etc). In Scotland, records of all births, marriages, divorces and deaths have to be in the public domain, you can search for them via the national records website. So I looked there. There was no birth or death record of this wee girl.

I cannot fathom why someone would tell such a despicable lie, I’ve made peace with the fact I’m no longer seeing this person but as the days go on, I feel more and more upset about being so conned, in fact I feel really funny about it. What kind of person makes up a story like that and what does it say about me that he ‘needed’ to make something like this up? I know people can tell untruths and exaggerate in dating but this story was bloody awful.

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Nearlyalmost50 · 23/02/2020 14:14

If one source of info showed no child, then it could be the source is wrong- but what's the chances of both being wrong?

I also think the fact that he gets angry and uses reasons like the car crash, another quite unusual and unlikely tale (which could be true) so early on, is another reason to think he's got a loose relationship with the truth. He didn't text you this information in a matter of fact way, it was a defensive move to make you feel bad.

He's a loser either way and the fact that there is no picture or evidence anywhere, on social media, or in the newspapers, or on government record is fairly damning- one missing piece of info, fair enough, but all three?

This is not stalking, you were curious, her FB is open for all to see and you noticed a big gap. It is sensible to listen to that inner voice.

Italiangreyhound · 23/02/2020 14:16

OP You are totally entitled to check up if you want to. But I would now stop and consider it a very lucky escape.

I've not read all the replies but wanted to address two things you mentioned in your opening post.

"What kind of person makes up a story like that..." If it really is true he lied, then sadly, there do seem to be some people who make up things to get sympathy, to get others interest or simply because they want to.

"...and what does it say about me that he ‘needed’ to make something like this up? I know people can tell untruths and exaggerate in dating but this story was bloody awful."

It doesn't say anything about you at all. It says only about him.

Move on. XX

Thanks
Higgeldypiggeldy35 · 23/02/2020 14:57

Could the first child have been born/died outside of Scotland?

DontDribbleOnTheCarpet · 23/02/2020 15:21

I think I'd have checked too. I am by nature fairly gullible and knowing this would make me want to find out for sure at the first niggling doubt.

I was once friends with a man who convinced me that he had a string of disastrous relationships with women, an ex wife and two adult children. The "daughter" moved to the USA, married and had a very traumatic placental abruption, resulting in the death of the baby and very nearly the death of the mother. We lost touch after a few years and it was only much later that I discovered the truth- he had never been married and there were no children but had been living with his male partner for over 30 years. Everyone else in our social circle seemed to get over it very quickly and it's never mentioned any more, but I think the lie about the baby was chosen because of all the support I'd received over the (genuine) death of my baby and a need for that attention to be diverted to him. I can never quite see him as a decent person any more and I avoid him if I can.

Experience has taught me both that I am a poor judge of character and that I have a poorly-developed sense of danger, so I am cautious.

NoMoreDickheads · 23/02/2020 15:26

I suppose some people are pathological liars, or they might invent this to make you feel for them emotionally. What a weirdo. Stay well clear. xxx

TARSCOUT · 23/02/2020 15:31

So you paid to check out the records? I think that's a bit much?

DontDribbleOnTheCarpet · 23/02/2020 15:35

You only have to pay if you want a copy of a certificate. Since there was no record, there was no fee.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 23/02/2020 15:35

I'm glad you had the opportunity and ability to check, OP, and also think you had a narrow escape!

I had a boyfriend for 6 months who was a compulsive liar, gaslighter, mental/emotional abuser - I can see it in hindsight, wasn't so aware at the time, although I was aware of some of the lies - and some of the utter shit he would come out with! Some of it I could check, some of it not - but I'll never get over him coming to see me, months after we'd split up, to see if he could "get back together" with me and THEN telling me that his current girlfriend had cervical cancer and was having an operation on it that day. Bollocks to it all! If she genuinely was then he was either a MASSIVE cunt (which he was but didn't want her to know that) or he was completely lying about it so I'd feel sorry for him and give him what he wanted (sex).

He was a psychopath. They lie compulsively to get what they want. What this man wanted from you was sympathy and to get in with you quickly, and then to have his parents in a car accident too? Definitely looking for you to fall all over him with love and sympathy and "oh the poor thing, how awful".

VERY bad plan to fall for that, and he probably used it as a "test" to see how you'd react and whether you'd be suitable for controlling.

Yes, I'm cynical but once bitten and all that...

AnneKipanki · 23/02/2020 15:36

I think OP must have felt something was not quite right.

Apolloanddaphne · 23/02/2020 15:39

It costs nothing to check the records.

Casino218 · 23/02/2020 15:44

What a psycho. Lucky escape. Be careful it may be you he's telling the lie about to the next one!

Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 23/02/2020 15:50

Of course it would be in the papers. But even if it wasn’t the B&D records don’t lie.

Apart from the poster who said her children, born in 2014 and 2016, aren't showing up?

MaxNormal · 23/02/2020 15:54

So you paid to check out the records? I think that's a bit much?

Hardly.
www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/

It's fascinating. I've just looked myself up and a whole lot of friends and family and it's all present and correct.

MaxNormal · 23/02/2020 15:54

Apart from the poster who said her children, born in 2014 and 2016, aren't showing up?

She probably put "firstname surname" instead of the other way round.

Iwonder08 · 23/02/2020 15:56

OP, you hardly know the man, you were not really in relationship and yet you even went to check the official death records of the child he mentioned?! It is not normal, your behaviour is borderline obsessive. Do you do that to all your dates?

datasgingercatspot · 23/02/2020 16:10

Totally sensible! You had a niggly feeling and checked it out. There are a lot of liars out there, especially in online dating.

lyralalala · 23/02/2020 16:11

So you paid to check out the records? I think that's a bit much?

Checking the Scotland’s people listings doesn’t cost anything

Ferretyone · 23/02/2020 16:16

All BMD records in all UK are in public domain. It is - however - very difficult to establish 100% that someone is not on it. In some cases they are not up to date. People tracing family trees make money to establish that - or not.

Despite that it's a horrible situation and I fear you are right!

@myredcardiganbob

ParkheadParadise · 23/02/2020 16:19

Sounds like you've had a lucky escape.
I've lost a child and I'll never understand why someone would lie about that.

If you type my dd's name in Google all the details of her death come up.

He sounds a sick bastard.

KeepWalkingNosey · 23/02/2020 16:20

It’s not uncommon. On mumsnet alone I’ve read a similar story three other times that I can remember. In a Facebook group I’m in a woman had a similar story, her partner would borrow money off of her to visit his child’s grave as he lived about 100 miles away, he would often take to his bed unable to cook, clean, work, talk to her etc if he shouted at her or anything it was blamed on his child being dead and her not understanding his trauma etc turned out he was lying. It’s nothing you’ve done and his own issue.

bottlenose301 · 23/02/2020 16:22

Disgusting is true and not all that rare for people to say awful lies when trying to lure someone in. However unless you know all details about her I'm not sure you can know 100% if this is true or not.

Gonetoget · 23/02/2020 16:48

@Iwonder08. That's the third time you have posted the same thing. Perhaps its you with the obsessive nature. Wanna watch yourself there.

WilmaPantry · 23/02/2020 17:06

It's not that uncommon for people to make up the most awful lies.

Two I know of.
Batshit crazy woman said she had been in a terrible car crash. She had cancer. Her daughter had died. Turned out it was complete fantasy. We even met the daughter once not realising that she was the 'dead' one. Batshit is still alive and had a miracle recovery from her cancer. She is pure evil.

Another was a chap who was pillar of the community but had two bigamous families. He lied about his complicated business dealings, illegally took money from his law firm, claimed he was mugged, had crashed his car, said his (first) wife had cancer. His daughter was going to die.

Is there a pattern emerging of the style and content of the lies they tell?

The thing is your gut feeling tells you that something is badly wrong but you feel unkind or heartless in challenging them. These two people I've mentioned wreaked havoc upon the people around them. It was a life changing experience for all of us. I am especially sad that she lied about her daughter dying because we had lost our wee baby.

myredcardiganbob · 23/02/2020 17:07

Thank you all for taking the time to respond to my post, both the replies from those who’ve said I had a lucky escape and those who feel I haven’t done the right thing.

From a social media perspective, I didn’t think I had done anything too unusual in having a look (happy to take on board that I shouldn’t have). I looked at the statutory records because I then had an uneasy sense that I had been told a story.

The national records (you can access through Scotland’s People), is free. You can go on and purchase certificates etc but the actual search doesn’t cost anything and is instant. I can’t give an explanation to the poster who said their children’s births weren’t on there, I don’t know why that would be, based on that I’m happy to accept that it could just be that the birth and death records for the wee girl are missing.

Thanks again for all of your thoughts and perspectives, they’ve been really helpful in me trying to make sense of how I’ve (very unexpectedly) been feeling.

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WilmaPantry · 23/02/2020 17:08

You dodged a horror there OP.