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He told me he’d lost his child in an accident

172 replies

myredcardiganbob · 23/02/2020 11:18

I posted a thread the other week asking for advice about how to ‘get over’ the embarrassment of making a mistake. The jist of it was that I sent a message to a fairly new date after not hearing from him since the day before which was unusual (more than 24 hours), he sent an angry response saying his parents had been involved in a car accident and he’d been busy with that (sorry, I don’t know how to link the thread). We spoke on the phone the following night, all seemed to be okay, he apologised for snapping in his message reply and I apologised for thinking he had perhaps changed his mind about me. We then messaged normally for the next few days and made an arrangement to meet the following weekend. On the day, I didn’t hear from him with his train time and have heard nothing since (and don’t expect to!).

On our very first date, he told me that his elder daughter had been killed by running out in front of a car at the age of 4. He and his wife went on to have another daughter, who is now coming up for 2, but that their marriage just couldn’t survive their grief and that was the reason for their separation. His first daughter was mentioned very naturally through all of our dates, how different she was in temperament to their other daughter; what the months felt like following her death and so on; how his parents felt etc.

Last weekend, knowing that I wasn’t going to hear from him, I had a social media nosy (I hadn’t done anything like that while we were seeing each other). He has no fb profile which he’d already told me, but his wife does. They are definitely not together... but there is no sign of there ever being an older daughter. None at all. Not that I expected a death announcement or anything like that but there was simply nothing and the dates of all of their photos didn’t give an opportunity for there to have been a child, if that makes sense (holiday pics, family parties, weddings etc). In Scotland, records of all births, marriages, divorces and deaths have to be in the public domain, you can search for them via the national records website. So I looked there. There was no birth or death record of this wee girl.

I cannot fathom why someone would tell such a despicable lie, I’ve made peace with the fact I’m no longer seeing this person but as the days go on, I feel more and more upset about being so conned, in fact I feel really funny about it. What kind of person makes up a story like that and what does it say about me that he ‘needed’ to make something like this up? I know people can tell untruths and exaggerate in dating but this story was bloody awful.

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Straycatstrut · 23/02/2020 11:46

I think he needs professional help, not to be dating....

Close the door on that.

Goawayquickly · 23/02/2020 11:47

She checked the births, deaths and marriages register, not just Facebook. Says so clearly in the post.

Knewyou · 23/02/2020 11:47

I don’t think you can be entirely sure he didn’t have a child and tbh I don’t know why you are checking up on it all when you already knew you were not going to see him again. It’s all too personal. Just leave it.

RositaEspinosa · 23/02/2020 11:49

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Nekoness · 23/02/2020 11:49

She checked public records. As she’s stated twice now. Why bother posting all that and not bother even reading the OP? Even if the child was born abroad, there would have been a recorded death. She can tell they were living in Scotland by the ex wife’s dates photos. Read, people.

ThermosTime · 23/02/2020 11:50

You can check websites for BMD . OP would know surname and other details. You can search between different time scales ie 1 year either way , 5 years etc

FredaFrogspawn · 23/02/2020 11:51

People do lie about this stuff. I would back off - he sounds a bit red-flaggy.

MimiLaRue · 23/02/2020 11:53

OP- I suspect this man is a compulsive liar and I think the parents in a car accident story would also be a lie- notice how his lies often involve traffic accidents? There is a pattern here.

The reason you cant figure him out is because you are "normal" I hate the word normal but you know what i mean in this context. Most people dont make up horrific lies like this and they recognise the horror of making up something so vile. He's clearly not right in the head so you will never be able to "understand" why he did this because you are coming from a rational place and he isn't. I wouldnt waste a second more time on this- delete, block and move on.

He's a very disturbed person and you are well rid.

fairynick · 23/02/2020 11:55

The fact that you checked shows that you already had doubt. Not all liars are great liars, you definitely had a gut feeling if you felt the need to check.
Some people are chaotic and weird and make up dramatic life events that never happened for sympathy, attention and to make them look mysterious. Also good for future emotional blackmail.
Thank God you found out who he is now rather than later.
Forget and move on OP, try not to let it take up any more of your headspace.

DesLynamsMoustache · 23/02/2020 11:55

No records of child's birth or death, no newspaper or press coverage, and it sounds like at the time his 'DD died', there are pics and posts on SM that show them on holiday, etc? Gosh I wonder why she's doubting it Hmm

Justanouk · 23/02/2020 11:56

I agree with others who said that your OP was clear.

People are odd. A friend’s (future) husband lied and said that he owned his house when in fact it belonged to his parents. Another friend was in a relationship with a woman who said she had two children. It came out later that she had three (he was also questioning himself and wondering how he might have provoked that lie. The answer is, he didn’t.)

DesLynamsMoustache · 23/02/2020 11:58

There would 100% be press coverage online for a 4yo killed by being hit by a car and she would be named in it.

EvenMoreFuriousVexation · 23/02/2020 11:58

I think your instincts are spot on OP and you've done your due dilligence and decided to cut him off now.

I was taken in by a man when I was in my late teens who spun a load of sob stories about trauma and loss in his life. I was totally taken in, believed every word and when a couple of people tried to gently point out inconsistencies I defended him to the hilt. EG he told me his parents had been murdered - a colleague pointed out there was no record of this happening in the town he claimed to be from. He firstly said they had been living in a different place, then when I checked the local news for that place, he told me that it had been kept out of the papers as his dad had been a secret agent for MI5... Hmm

I ignored all the warnings and ended up living with him. He turned out to be very abusive, lots of verbal and sexual abuse and eventually turned physical too. I was lucky enough to have friends who helped me get out.

Until you have encountered someone like this it's difficult to understand how manipulative they are - they tend to choose really tragic things to lie about specifically so that you feel reluctant to question the truth. And if you do, they can fly into an outraged huff and make you feel like a total twat, and you then feel obligated to stay with them and never question them again.

Aridane · 23/02/2020 12:00

If you are wrong - deceased child was born in England, for example - he has had a lucky escape.

Have you thought of being a PI?

Toria70 · 23/02/2020 12:01

He sounds like a headcase, OP.

And you've had a lucky escape.

FeedMeChoc · 23/02/2020 12:02

He’s a piece of shit, and doesn’t deserve another thought. You believed him because why wouldn’t you? This isn’t on you.

MatildaTheCat · 23/02/2020 12:02

I can’t believe how many people are saying you might be mistaken. It’s far, far more likely that if it looks like a dog and barks like a dog...

He’s a sick fantasist.

DesLynamsMoustache · 23/02/2020 12:05

I had a friend who was a fantasist and told stories about how he was in the secret services, and experiences he'd had that were quite obviously fake. I don't know why he did it, I never questioned him as I didn't want to embarrass him so I just kind of nodded and changed the subject and so did our other friends. The things my friend said were so outlandish that I even wondered sometimes if they were true because who would make up something so ridiculous?!

He killed himself last year, which was a huge shock to us, but now I can see the fantasy life was something he created because he was so unhappy in his own life, which is really sad to think back on now and perhaps I or some of us should have said or done something to challenge or try to get to the bottom of it than just accept it as a slightly odd part of his personality. But it's that old cliche of 'but he didn't seem depressed!'. He was a gregarious and apparently jolly kind of guy, outwardly at least.

You're definitely well off without him if it's a lie, but as to why he's lying, he could have malicious intentions or he might genuinely be unwell.

Numbness2020 · 23/02/2020 12:08

Due diligence is something everyone should be doing.

differentnameforthis · 23/02/2020 12:08

@AudaCityLimits So it's not at all possible that this happened outside of Scotland?

ThermosTime · 23/02/2020 12:09

You can check England as well. Genes Reunited is one that is useful.

AriadnesFilament · 23/02/2020 12:09

Your OP was extremely clear that you didn’t just check social media.

Him making this up (assuming he has - I suppose there’s still the outside chance that maybe it’s true and she was born and died outside of Scotland, but based on what you know of his supposed life before you that seems unlikely) has nothing to do with you. He’d have done it to anyone. Please don’t assume some misplaced responsibility for his actions, they are his and his alone.

Thinkingabout1t · 23/02/2020 12:09

Lucky escape, OP. He lied to you because that’s what people like him do - not your fault in any way. And they’ve always got a great sob-story because nothing is ever their fault.

But they can also be dangerous, so please don’t let him wheedle his way back in with you.

timeisnotaline · 23/02/2020 12:10

Or aridane maybe they flew to Africa , had baby secretly there then returned and made sure baby wasn’t in any relaxed casual holiday snaps for the next two years? Probably didn’t vaccinate them to keep them off any official lists.
Or, he lied. I know which one seems more likely.

ThermosTime · 23/02/2020 12:10

Something like this would have been in local papers , if not national news depending on the day or circumstances.