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anyone up so angry i can hardly breathe need advice

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neverfeltthisdown23 · 23/02/2020 03:03

is anyone up to talk to before i loose the fucking plot ....
bit of background....
my partner and i have a baby he also has an older son ( teenager ) his sons mother is a cocaine addict ( with 3 children ) and an all round nightmare, shes threatened me countless times and he hasnt let me report it incase she gets cross n stops him seeimg his son,
threatened to come smash my face in infront of my kids
she doesnt like me as thier son was vile to my daughter for months n months with me asking them to do something about it and them saying she was lying a crybaby and roxanne pallett!!!
anyway this nastiness culminated in thier son stealing my daughters dirty knickers not once but twice and apparently her calling the police on her own kid ( although i never heard off the police at all )
since then he has been seeing his son away from the house taking him on treat days out but NEVER have any of the other kids been allowed to be included even his own baby brother...
i have kicked off that he never takes the baby anywhere and i mean anywhere while i work and he should be allowed on trips to find out tonight from his mum that the ex has banned our baby from going on any of the days out incase i accuse her son of being a peadophile
WTF!!!!!
how fucking dare he pretty much neglect his own baby on the say so of his ex?
are they actually concerned that the kid might do something to my baby?
he hasnt come home tonight hes at his mums i have sent him a message saying if she has that much control over him to get him to mistreat his own baby then he can decide which one he has in his life now his baby or his ex
just bagging up all his stuff to leave out in the rain...dont think ill sleep tonight so any advice welcome :)

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neverfeltthisdown23 · 23/02/2020 03:56

@gingerbeverage i know total bullshit
i have no idea what the police caution at school recently was for either im not allowed to know was never told the police were involved but his mum dropped him in it thinking i knew
it worries me how he has no protection at all for the other kids when it comes to his ex or his other son

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neverfeltthisdown23 · 23/02/2020 03:58

my dp does know the circumstances he told me im on a need to know basis n i dont need to know and was just normal playground crap....
his mum yet again dumped him in it telling me he had had a police caution ... he then went nuts at her for telling me .
i still dont know what for but both the knickers thing , the amount of control the ex still has and the police caution dont sound normal to me!

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DroppedBoxxedRuth · 23/02/2020 03:59

Wow. I can't imagine living such a hectic life, and bringing a baby into it.

FFS, call the police yourself, report ex wife to SS and be glad your do doesn't want to take your baby out with DSS who clearly has issues and needs some time with his DF.

As for taking baby out during btge week, I hated doing that with both of mine and with dd1 we just pottered around the house during the week. Surely it's not mandatory to take a baby to do 'nice' things during the week Hmm

neverfeltthisdown23 · 23/02/2020 04:00

sorry i just read u think he knows but is hiding it from me... for sure ..
but that just makes me.think its something really bad if he cant tell me and police r involved they dont usually get involved in playground squabbles

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OhCaptain · 23/02/2020 04:01

Jesus! Why are you with this man? Keep your children away from the lot of them.

Your priority should be your dd and not whether baby gets trips out for now. Flowers

They’re all in prison for sexual assault??? Please phone the police and/or social services. None of this is right!

neverfeltthisdown23 · 23/02/2020 04:01

he likes not leaving the house ... he.lies on the sofa n watches youtube all day or argues with people on fb about politics ....

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lilmishap · 23/02/2020 04:03

Pinching knickers can be as simple as morbid curiosity over stuff he's seen online or heard about, it doesn't mean he's a monster.
The other shit, his mum, the drugs and the trouble he's getting into (that you cannot be told about in case you call him a paedo?) have me thinking he needs some help. Proper help.

I probably would have his stuff packed as well, you don't have to put up with being the last to know, or having someones ex threaten you.

neverfeltthisdown23 · 23/02/2020 04:07

yeah all the male members of the family r in prison for sex offences, the sister is a spice addict whos had her kids took off her
the ex is a cokehead whos naked pics r all over the internet
and the son....who knows ... i dunno what hes upto no one tells me anything but if this all blows up in my face n dp leaves i will have no way of knowing if the older child is safe to be around the baby and im sure he wont keep it seperate as its more hassle for him and less kid free days where he can do what he likes

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lilmishap · 23/02/2020 04:11

@neverfeltthisdown23 no one ever got a caution for playground shit and I'm not buying that playground shit had to be kept a secret either.
I don't think you bought it either.

You are being lied to about so much already, there doesn't seem to be a lot that's salvageable about being with him.

Is he a bit of a cocklodger? Do you actually do anything together?

lilmishap · 23/02/2020 04:14

If you threw him out could you insist on contact happening at a time when older kid was in school?

BadToast · 23/02/2020 04:16

OP, no the police would not have been called and no this is not normal teenage boy stuff. Never heard so much bollocks!

If you want to do something good, call the police and log it. You need to protect not only your own DD but other girls too. This boy is clearly in need of help and now before he starts going on to the next level. This time it was dirty knickers, next time what?

You are being made out to be the problem because you are asking questions. If there is one thing you are going to do about this OP, it needs to be to call the police and log it. If I were you after logging it with the police I would also call SS and talk to them. Does no one care that this boy is clearly in a fucked up home?

Your anger with your DH is another issue. You and him need to talk big time. He is lying to you about the police being called and saying it is normal behaviour. Sorry to say it but your husband is part of the problem here, not just the ex.

lilmishap · 23/02/2020 04:22

With your DP lying about so much, how do you know he is telling the truth about where he is and what he's doing all day?

How long have him and the ex been sperated? It takes a bit of time to fuck a kid up, I would be worrying about his role in it.

neverfeltthisdown23 · 23/02/2020 04:26

i 100% agree he is part of the problem a huge part .... they never ever discipline the kid for anything anytime hes been nasty to another child they say he was framed!
i was even told my daughter planted her own dirty knickers in his school bag to frame him
once the child did admit it the police story was made up i guess to show they had done something about it and more importantly to stop me reporting it as it had already been reported
would they have spoken to my daughter if it had been reported? to check she was ok?

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SunshineCake · 23/02/2020 04:27

Calm down.

Don't put his stuff in the rain as that is pathetic.

If any child is at risk it should be reported.

Ducks me off that so many women can dictate whether a man sees his child or not. Call her bluff. Report her.

SunshineCake · 23/02/2020 04:27

Fgs fucks me off..

neverfeltthisdown23 · 23/02/2020 04:30

him and the ex seperated about 9 yrs....
im pretty sure he is in the house all day i speak to him on breaks and he cba to take baby anywhere anyway

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user1481840227 · 23/02/2020 04:32

Oh come on, the ex isn't controlling the fact that your partner won't take the baby out during the week so stop blaming her on that.
There are far far bigger issues here without you fixating on something that's not actually anything to do with the ex.
This whole situation sounds chaotic and dangerous for the children involved.
All of you sound like something from Jeremy Kyle (but a far more serious version).

FieldOfFlameAndHeather · 23/02/2020 04:36

does know the circumstances he told me im on a need to know basis n i dont need to know and was just normal playground crap....

The boy sounds troubled and on the brink of becoming a fully fledged nightmare, either sexual or anti social. Understandable perhaps with a dysfunctional family background like he has. At least it’s good that his dad sees the necessity to spend one to one quality time with him and to keep him away from situations that could just make things worse.

If he were my son and he’d stolen your DDs knickers I’d want him kept away from your baby as well, for everyone’s sake. Not because I think he’d harm the baby necessarily, but because I’d want him protected from the risk of any accusations, unfounded or otherwise. The situation is already tense, why risk making it worse?

I think your partner and his ex have decided this is for the best and I agree with them. I also think your partner doesn’t want to give you more ammunition to fire at his son. He’s in a tough enough position already and will feel very torn about where his loyalties and priorities should lie. The last thing he needs is to hear you banging on about whatever else his son has done, when it doesn’t directly involve you, so the ‘need to know’ basis makes sense.

You don’t want this child in your house or in your life (with good reason perhaps) so you don’t need to know what else he has going on with the school and the police.

But his father still needs to see him and support him through these challenges because that’s what a good parent does.

Something to think about though OP, you are keen to tell us what the ex and her family are like and I agree they sound a nightmare. But your DP chose a life and children with this woman so perhaps his judgement is off and his standards are low, and he’s not exactly Snow White either. Maybe he needs to take some responsibility for how his son is turning out.

lilmishap · 23/02/2020 04:36

Every update it sounds worse.

Honestly, apart from free child care(that you have to pay for) what are you getting from having him there?

You sound fucking miserable

neverfeltthisdown23 · 23/02/2020 04:37

im actually not anything like anyone ive ever seen on jeremy kyle
i work hard pay all the bills n rent in my home without a pennys help from him
i dont drink or do drugs, never been in trouble with the police and like to keep myself to myself ive never had a chaotic life this has all started since the knicker incident as i guess they all hate me for exposing it and at the time i left the parents to deal with it which i agree may have been a bad choice but u dont normally go around shopping ur partners kid to the police u should be able to trust it will be dealt eith accordingly by the parents

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GaaaaarlicBread · 23/02/2020 04:39

What an absolute nightmare of a mess !! I don’t have any advise but didn’t want to read and run. But you’ve had lots of good advise here OP.

neverfeltthisdown23 · 23/02/2020 04:39

im not sure what i get from having him here nothing probably

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CJsGoldfish · 23/02/2020 04:39

You really need to get a grip.

I honestly don't see the issue with him taking his son out and begrudging that is really unfair of you OP. Sounds like the kid needs his dad right now.
If you are unhappy that the baby is missing out you also need to address it as the separate issue it is. Concentrate less on 'winning' and more on what is best for all concerned.

neverfeltthisdown23 · 23/02/2020 04:42

it isnt about winning sorry if its come across that way
maybe i should be more like nah its fine dont bother ever doing anything with the baby or giving me a heads up on the older childs behaviour so at least i know why the kids r never allowed to be together

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BadToast · 23/02/2020 04:50

But @FieldOfFlameAndHeather this man is not being a good father. No good parent would turn a blind eye to their sons perverted behaviour, let alone lie about it. He told OP, it was normal for a teenage boy to steal dirty knickers and even lie about the police being called.

This man is nothing but a yellow-bellied crap father. He does not even do anything with his other child. He is just shit scared of the mother so does what she says. If she said lie to OP, he would in a heartbeat and has already.

If he was a good father he would not want his son living with a drug taking sex worker. He would also want his son helped with his perverted behaviour.

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