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Husband grieving for OW

999 replies

Filly2011 · 14/02/2020 21:25

Anyone had experience of this?
Husband had 14 month affair with woman at work. Told me about it when she finally dumped him in favour of her husband. DH says he wants to keep marriage and willing to work at it. After months of counselling he now admits he is very upset as still loves her and knows he’s lost her. I feel very cut up by this. Can’t stop thinking about it.

OP posts:
FlowerArranger · 17/02/2020 08:24

PLEASE stop guessing and see a SHL..... Please!

Knowledge is power.

Once you have all the facts, everything will seem so much clearer.

Knowing where you stand gives you options, choices, a way of deciding what is right for YOU

SuperbMonkey · 17/02/2020 08:26

@mathanxiety, I wanted to say a heartfelt ‘thank you’ for the article links that you provided. They have been so helpful to me.

@Filly2011, my circumstances and age are similar to yours without the children. I have gradually come to realise over the last 6 months that I have been a ‘slowly boiled frog’ by a disordered person during the years of our relationship. I have been very low contact for 4 months. No meeting, speaking, or texts, just the occasional email. This has helped me to gain objectivity. I still get upset if triggered (usually by communication or thinking about happier times). It is however worth following the advice in the articles linked by mathsanxiety because it does work. I am finding (because this is still a work in progress) that focusing firmly on myself and not him also helps.

Wishing you all the best Flowers

Mix56 · 17/02/2020 08:29

Clutterbug is correct.
unfortunately IMHO, he doesn't want you back, he wants her back.
The video is proof that she is fine, & also embarrassing as many other people will see how cuckolded he is.
He has broken his life, & clearly doesn't care that he has broken yours too.
However his future life at 80 in failing health will be more comfortable with you picking up after him, cooking, shopping, than on his own in a flat.
You can be his carer, he doesn't have to be nice to you

TheReef · 17/02/2020 08:29

Well done for telling the kids OP, now for family and friends, you will need their support, plus if you tell them now your 'd'h won't be able to twist his words and make himself the victim. No one likes a cheater

Filly2011 · 17/02/2020 08:30

Yes I’m going to see a solicitor and I have already had financial advice. Prob need more.
Don’t know why I feel so awful today. I felt much better at the weekend and I thought going to work will help.
Maybe it will. I’ll get my head down.
I keep thinking he’s going to have a nice life without me - and it’s upsetting me. I know I have to stop thinking about him.

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SchadenfreudePersonified · 17/02/2020 08:30

he said he just works and then sits in his flat smoking and sometimes crying.

This may be true - in which case TOUGH! He brought it on himself.

Or it may be a lie.

You have contact with him only on his own terms. He might be trying to get her back, trying to persuade other women to shag him, going out on the piss, or contentedly binge-watching Netflix and eating takeaways while occasionally rattling off a text to you to keep you on your toes.

The man is LIAR, and you can't trust anything he says.

Davespecifico · 17/02/2020 08:31

On the whole, men don’t leave if they have no one to go to.
He is not fighting to save the marriage, he is hanging about because, to him, a miserable marriage is better than being alone.
For closure, I think you need to crack on with divorce.

Filly2011 · 17/02/2020 08:35

Math anxiety and all the lovely people who have told me your experiences and shared helpful links etc- thank you so much. I am very grateful.

When I read what other people have gone through I feel like I shouldn’t complain about my lot. My kids are grown up, I have my own salary etc. As my best friend said yesterday - whatever happens you will be ok.
I shouldn’t be this affected by it and I’m a bit ashamed that I’m struggling so much to get over it.

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SVRT19674 · 17/02/2020 08:42

He has settled with you. Sorry to be blunt. Why would you want to be with someone who is thinking of someone else. I think going your separate ways would be kinder to both, especially to you, who are being made to feel second best. I'm sorry this has happened to you and wish you the best, away from him.

CoraPirbright · 17/02/2020 09:01

I keep thinking he’s going to have a nice life without me - and it’s upsetting me.

He really isn’t!! Sitting in his flat, crying and smoking. It’s a life of self pity plus dealing with a load of shit he has never had to before - all the domestic stuff we women pick up. Also, not sure who mentioned this upthread but, further down the line, you don’t want to end up as this man’s carer! Urrgh!

Think the OW has been very lucky. She has put a bomb under your marriage (shagging in your bed? Wtf?) yet hers has survived intact. What.a.bitch. At least I hope her professional reputation has suffered? Some fucking karma needs to come her way too.

SW16 · 17/02/2020 09:18

There is nothing to be ashamed of Filly, it’s ok to be upset and struggling when someone has kicked your life out from under you.

Flowers
Khanage · 17/02/2020 09:19

One might say that he didn't fall in love with another woman, but with an illusion. In their limited time together they presented edited versions of themselves. He wasn't living with her, seeing her faults, weaknesses and annoying habits. Of course, he is sad he has been rejected; that was his risk and is his problem. I would suggest counselling if you had young children, but you are in the happy position of being free of that consideration. I fully understand your trepidation, so I would take some practical steps to increase my certainty: calculate the value of your house/flat and start looking online for what you can buy with half of it, maybe near one of your children, somewhere your future grandchildren would love to come and see you. List all your savings and pension plans and make a first appointment with a solicitor, just to discuss your situation. My mother, who is considerably older than you, left my father one year ago and we all wish she had done it 20 years earlier.

Filly2011 · 17/02/2020 09:39

Yes Khanage. He says he missed the way OW made him feel - happy, loved and not worried about his unsatisfactory marriage.
I think that’s probably illusory. Sort of mid life crisis thing.

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DBML · 17/02/2020 09:54

Dear OP

I take no pleasure in reading this thread and even less pleasure adding to it. My heart goes out to you.

It is a known phenomenon that most men generally don’t leave one woman unless they have another lined up. Maybe it’s because they don’t want to give up regular sex/ having their clothes washed/ dinner made. Who knows.

Your husband left you for another woman. However, it did not go as planned and the ow ran a mile (back to her husband). She was probably in the affair for the benefits and when it became real, she opted out. Your husband is failing to acknowledge this as it will show him to be a fool.

Your husband is having trouble accepting how this has turned out. He is mooning after her and ‘grieving’. He has separated from you ...just incase. He’s proving to OW that he is all about her. He’s waiting, just incase. Whilst he is away from you he can text her at his leisure, possibly beg her to reconsider. Stalk her social media and wait.

However, he realises that she may not come back to him and because he doesn’t really want to end up alone, he’s keeping you waiting. He’s telling you he’s doing this to save the marriage...it’ll keep you hanging about. Think about it, if the ow changed her mind today, would he still be trying to save his marriage to you?

The anger is due to you not being her. It’s not fair (to him at least). He is angry at you, because who else is there he can be angry at? He can’t be angry with the OW, as he has her on a pedestal. So, he’s angry at you, for no other reason than, you aren’t her.

This is an appalling way to treat another person. It is beyond selfish. It is cruel.
The therapy is fuelling the issue, because it’s allowing your husband to feel justified in his actions. You should be allowing him to grieve. You should tolerate his anger. You should give him this space. I question the authenticity of your therapist as I’m pretty sure that this is not how it’s meant to be.

The obvious answer is also the hardest. He doesn’t deserve you. He deserves to be alone and miserable. You should tell him to keep the flat; that he won’t be coming back and move on without this pig of a man. But after 40 years, that’s easier said than done.

As crushing as it is, stop for a moment and know that even if you get back together, you are his second choice and not the person he wanted. You will never live up to what she was - after all he never got to see the real person, only the fantasy of what could have been. You can’t change what’s happened or him.

Robin2323 · 17/02/2020 10:30

When I read what other people have gone through I feel like I shouldn’t complain about my lot. My kids are grown up, I have my own salary etc. As my best friend said yesterday - whatever happens you will be ok.

Your friend is right.
Take comfort it that.
You still need to process your feelings.
Cry. Get mad. Screen and shout - in private. Let it out. Let it heal.

TheReef · 17/02/2020 10:33

What DBML said.

UYScuti · 17/02/2020 10:43

He doesn't want to wash his own pants or pay for sex
That's it, you nailed it right there!

SW16 · 17/02/2020 10:46

He says he missed the way OW made him feel - happy, loved and not worried about his unsatisfactory marriage

He should be embarrassed to voice such a thing. If he was not happy in your marriage he should have been open about that and given you a chance to work on it together, or else taken the decision to leave.

At no point was it the decent thing to do to have a lengthy affair behind your back and in your bed.

And by saying what he said he is also admitting that he used the OW.

He has an appalling view of women, making women responsible for his own actions and emotions. whether ad Obliging distractions or scapegoats.

It’s hard. I can hear you grieving for what you thought you had, the ‘what ifs’ the ‘if only’s and ‘yes but....’s. It is really hard to let go of those. And quite a journey to arrive at the new ‘this is what it is’.

Ditch couples therapy which is prolonging the agony and seek support just for you.

SalmonOfKnowledge · 17/02/2020 10:50

You're right, @sw16
How can anybody verbalise this without being embarrassed! And he called his wife cold.

Honestly @Filly2011 when you are ready to officially call time, wish him all the luck in the world with a "warmer woman" and then let the door slam behind him

MsPepperPotts · 17/02/2020 10:50

@DBML Is absolutely spot on with everything.

UYScuti · 17/02/2020 10:54

Mind you in a way he did pay for sex didn't he, it seems pretty clear that the financial benefits were a big incentive for OW?
Would she have even looked twice at him without that?

YouJustDoYou · 17/02/2020 10:54

Op, you've been utterly crushed and had your whole worldview shattered by his betrayal. Of COURSE it's not going to be a simple thing to just "get over", please don't ever feel ashamed that you feel what you feel.

Mix56 · 17/02/2020 10:55

Do you see company accounts ? his bank accounts, make sure he isn't hiding money in the interim

SalmonOfKnowledge · 17/02/2020 10:58

PS, no WAY is this projecting blamer ever going to have a life he is happy with.

You will be the one to achieve that!

After i left my c i was initially v resentful that hecwas driving blonds around in his porsche but they all dumped him when they got to know him. Or he lost his temper with them when one by one they didnt do what he told them to.

So initially men seem like the winners. More dating currency. They seem like they have more chances. More money.

But the tools for a contented life are not 1) inability to take responsibility, 2) projection 3) martyred victimhood, 4) entitlement (to use 2 women)

Does that sound like the "tool kit" for a happy life?

DBML · 17/02/2020 11:02

Just to add op, that my mother in law found love later in life. She was perfectly happy on her own and is perfectly happy with her new fella.

Happiness comes easier, when people aren’t treating you like crap and you really do deserve to be happy XX