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Husband grieving for OW

999 replies

Filly2011 · 14/02/2020 21:25

Anyone had experience of this?
Husband had 14 month affair with woman at work. Told me about it when she finally dumped him in favour of her husband. DH says he wants to keep marriage and willing to work at it. After months of counselling he now admits he is very upset as still loves her and knows he’s lost her. I feel very cut up by this. Can’t stop thinking about it.

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Kit19 · 15/02/2020 14:06

You can do what you want OP Grin there’s no weekend police thaf are going to come & arrest you! If you don’t want to do anything then don’t - you can please yourself!

Filly2011 · 15/02/2020 14:12

You are all so kind. This has made me feel better.
It’s very hard to stop wondering what he’s doing and feeling. I keep wanting reassurance and then I feel awful.
He said both I and OW had “shit on him” as well as his parents and pretty much everyone he’s ever worked with. And his sister. He said he was afraid he’d end up in a mental hospital with a complete breakdown.
Er - I’m the person taking the antidepressants!

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CoraPirbright · 15/02/2020 14:27

Dear god, it’s all about him, isn’t it?! What an arsewipe!

daisychain01 · 15/02/2020 14:28

Apparently I have made him unhappy for 15 years. Working late, socialising at work, not being affectionate, not listening to him.

Diddums, he sounds weak and snivelling. He's written the script, it's all your fault, he's the wronged party, all because you were working instead of simpering at his feet, with his dinner on the table. How very dare you, having a job and social life!

I'd write the OW a Thank You card, she's put the icing on the cake, kicking him into touch. He reaps as he has sewn.

SalmonOfKnowledge · 15/02/2020 14:32

Oh dear God, he's such a victim isn't he. He's creating a narrative where if you respected yourself and your own needs by calling time on his bullshit, you'd be one more in a long line of people kicking him when he was down. That puts a lot of pressure on you to continue to absorb the self-pity he is fucking WADING in with a snorkel for the next .............who knows how long.

I read a really good book a while ago (Carol S Pearson phd, Awakening the archetypes within) and it really helped me understand that I had overidentified with my orphan/victim when I was younger and that I wanted to inhabit the archetypes of seeker/sage/magician/warrior now. There were exercises to help you bring out that side of yourself.

There'd be no point recommending the book to him as he wouldn't get that the issue is his mindset, he wouldn't give a thought to how he's hurting you, and he wouldn't read it and wouldn't see why he should have to. But it was a great book and I really recommend it if you are facing a different landscape thinking that the ''old me'' needs to be braver or wiser or more pro-active.

Ellie56 · 15/02/2020 14:33

I think you should try and stop thinking about the arsehole and just think about you this weekend.
Make yourself your favourite food, have some wine / gin/whatever, lose yourself in a favourite book or film, ring a few friends up and have chat, go out for a walk, go shopping and treat yourself to some new clothes. Just do what you want.

And if you feel up to it, what could be very therapeutic is putting all his crap into bin bags ready to throw out with him. Just think how much extra storage space you'll have Wink.

Kit19 · 15/02/2020 14:34

God @Filly2011 how have you put up with him all these years??

I think to save your time he could just limit every thing he says to “meeeeeeeeee me me me meeeeee”

SalmonOfKnowledge · 15/02/2020 14:36

He is going to WIN at being the biggest victim.

I'd let him have it. Leave him. That'll give his narrative another snack to feed on while you start afresh.

Balance getting the courage to leave him when you are ready with the knowledge that being around this gaslighting bullshit is not good for you.

YesThatsATurdOnTheRug · 15/02/2020 14:37

Oh please god for the sake of your self respect, mental health, happiness and just general justice in the world - get rid of the wankstain!

Graphista · 15/02/2020 14:37

“He says OW was just lovely to be around and cheerful and kind every day. Not like me apparently.”

But SHE also only got the best of him! She didn’t get his sour moods, have to wash his skiddies, put up with his snoring etc

Very easy to romanticise a person when you’re only seeing one facet of them.

It’s why even in a normally progressing relationship you understand that living with them is when you really start to get to know them!

I didn’t live with my ex until we married purely as he was in the army and that’s how it happened logistically. I swear that 1st year of living with someone can quite understandably almost lead to murder! I was very used to living alone and doing things my way, he was used to sharing with others to a degree but also used to things being pretty slobby as he was living with other army blokes. It was definitely a learning curve.

There’s also a train of thought that you don’t really know someone till you divorce them! There’s some truth in that too.

“Her dh knows but seems not to care - publicly at least.” That suggests to me this is not her first affair. Also the swearing your dh to secrecy. She seems to have thought ahead on a lot.

“Can I just ask people who have been in similar position (ie newly separated) what they do at weekends?”

When I was in that position dd was little so initially it was doing things with her in the days - parks, swimming, soft play, but also as I was working full time weekends were necessarily taken up with housework, household admin and food shopping though I kept as much of that as possibly to the evenings when she was in bed.

But also in the evenings I would phone and chat to my grans and aunties, sometimes evenings out with friends if I could manage a sitter, nothing too wild just meals out, Cinema, theatre, Live shoes and comedy, even bingo nights.

As dd got older I had more and more freedom to do things without her if I chose but certainly when she hit teens she didn’t really want to be hanging with mum anyway of course! So then I started doing more in daytimes at weekends. I wasn’t working by this point due to ill health, but I still was able some of the time to do the things previously mentioned. I’d also get some exercise - walking with friends, swimming. I joined some meet-up groups, had a book group at one point, I’ve been in choirs, quiz groups etc.

My health has meant at times I’m restricted, currently I’m housebound as a result which is far from ideal yet even now there’s a certain level of contentment in being able to please myself with what and when I eat, what I watch, I can play games on my phone, mn as much as I want.

You don’t have to be doing things with other people to be doing something enjoyable for you.

I also enjoy things like reading, knitting, cross stitch, puzzle books...

At various points I’ve also dated but it’s not necessarily been serious, some well meaning friends and family tried to “encourage” me into dating soon after the split but I wasn’t ready for a few years, it took me a while, some less judgmental friends & family and a few disastrous dates where I all but escaped out a window to realise that it was actually ok that I wasn’t ready.

Helped to discuss such things with other friends I met at this time who were also recently separated, some were happy to dive right back into dating and others took varying amounts of time to be ready. Everyone’s different.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 15/02/2020 14:37

she is apparently kind and lovely.

So kind and lovely that she betrayed her husband (and children?), shagged another woman's husband, ate food prepared by her "boyfriend's"* wife, in their home, while laughing up her sleeve at her and her own spouse, dumped the "boyfriend" when it suited her and won't even return his calls.

Oh, yes! She's a charmer!

*not sure if a self-pitying wanker of 60-odd can be described as a "boyfriend", hence the inverted commas

WhereShallWeMoveTo · 15/02/2020 14:37

Apparently I have made him unhappy for 15 years. Working late, socialising at work, not being affectionate, not listening to him.

Maybe it’s true. Maybe you did. How does any of that justify this current unacceptable situation? He either ends it properly (or you do) or he puts all past grievances behind him and actually makes a decent effort to mend things. Dragging out this half arsed reconciliation while simultaneously wallowing in his one man pity party is getting neither of you anywhere.

Graphista · 15/02/2020 14:41

Live shoes?! Grin live SHOWS

Filly2011 · 15/02/2020 14:43

I’m cooking roast lamb in red wine jus with mashed potatoes and sprouting broccoli. And then I’m going to watch a film on Netflix cuddling the dog while storm Dennis does its worst. There’s no wine but have made a sort of cocktail of vodka, lime and elderflower fizz.
I think women have greater reserves of strength than men. anyway I’m hoping so!

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TheMotherofAllDilemmas · 15/02/2020 14:43

I don’t understand how he can still think he’s in love with her after all this awful Stuff has happened.

Frankly, he is only missing her because she dared to ditch him. A hurt pride is more painful than a broken heart. Be careful not to fall in the same trap yourself.

Filly2011 · 15/02/2020 14:49

Er I don’t think I’m suffering from hurt pride! I was married for over 30 years. It’s not a lover who has just dumped me. It’s a whole life support system!

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TheMotherofAllDilemmas · 15/02/2020 14:52

I realise what makes me really unhappy is worrying about his state of mind. Is he upset? Why hadn’t he phoned me etc. It’s so up and down.

Years of living together condition us to care for people even after we shouldn’t. My exH became a mad man after he met his new partner, he became an abuser stalker capable even to hurt my kid in order to hurt me. One thing that I found fascinating was that it come a point SS got involved to protect DS, I had a DV case worker, police protection and Someway I was still wondering if the poor bastard was ok. The psychology of abuse I guess...

Notverygrownup · 15/02/2020 14:54

I don't think you are suffering from hurt pride either! You have been betrayed hugely - but you sound lovely and with the help of the MN vipers, you will make huge steps forward. And yy - women have greater reserves of strength than men, in surviving, nay thriving.

Your dinner sounds lovely. Cuddling the dog/netflix/reading a good book are all brilliant weekend activities. Enjoy!

Filly2011 · 15/02/2020 14:55

Sorry no disrespect to people dumped by lover. I don’t mean to undervalue that - just trying to explain this is a lot for me (nearly 40 years of shared history, children, bereavements, health scares, etc etc). I don’t feel that my pride is dented I just feel very depressed and anxious.

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TheMotherofAllDilemmas · 15/02/2020 15:01

Filly, not trying to state the obvious but if your pride don’t took a dent after he got an affair, you are in an amazing place.

The time I had my heart broken worst, was not when I ended my marriage of years but when a fiancé of 3 months dumped me when I was least expecting it. Interestingly I had already decided I was going to end it and was happy with my decision BUT the way he dumped me sent me into a very bad place for many months.

Dozer · 15/02/2020 15:02

There may well be times when an affair can be got past, and a generally good relationship continued, but this is clearly not one of them. Your ex’s self absorbed bullshit makes me cringe!

Ditch the couple’s counsellor, immediately! Go for counselling by yourself instead. And seek advice from your GP on your meds.

Loads of options for your weekends, once your MH is better. I personally find exercise great for MH and do a lovely group class sometimes on Saturdays, ages range from 16 to 80! Also I try to make something tasty and healthy to eat and have for work lunch on Monday too.

Don’t assume people in couples aren’t available at weekends - some might like to meet for lunch or coffee. And it sounds like you work all week, so with practical chores etc it’s not all that much time to fill.

Dozer · 15/02/2020 15:04

I find alcohol unhelpful for my MH. V sadly as otherwise love it! I don’t drink at all when struggling.

AsCoolAsLangCleg · 15/02/2020 15:17

God, he sounds worse and worse. How have you managed not to spell out to him that the OW used him and discarded him because HE MEANT NOTHING TO HER. He has thrown his marriage away for someone who just wasn't that into him, the fucking fool.

You, on the other hand, sound clever and resourceful and kind. So bin the marriage counselling, see a solicitor, tell the kids and start honouring yourself.

Filly2011 · 15/02/2020 15:26

Ha ha. I just got a text from him saying he’s not coming this weekend and sorry not to use cinema ticket I’d bought. I replied don’t worry I’ve got someone else to take it. Cue text demanding to know who! What a cock.

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Upstartcrones · 15/02/2020 15:27

You sound amazing OP! Storm Dennis is nothing compared to the turmoil going on inside your life right now I bet! But, you're already showing the green shoots of what your life could be. You're cooking a meal you want, watching what you want and cuddling your dog, all of which is creating a calm peaceful atmosphere away from his BS. You're starting to take control and you don't even realise it Grin baby steps for sure, but don't forget babies are the fastest learning humans on the planet!

You can do this. You can have a life away from his ego centric whining about being a victim of life. Quite honestly that alone would make me not want to waste anymore time on him. You could potentially have the most fun, relaxing, drama free years of your life ahead of you.

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