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How can I get my BF to understand our situation just isn't working for me anymore? LONG!

227 replies

DarkRose · 06/02/2020 13:19

Hi everyone, I am new here but could really do with some advice on my current relationship as I'm at the end of my tether. This may be long so I apologise now.
I am a 31-year-old female, left home at 16, was married for 14 years and divorced in 2018, on good terms with my ex for my families sake, I have children, successful self-employed business, my own home, dog, cats and various other animals. ( My animal's references will make sense shortly).
I have been with my new man (44) for almost 2 years but we have been friends for roughly 5 years. He lives about 35 minutes drive from me, also self-employed. He is a lovely, kind, gentle, protective man, we have so much in common, he gets on with my children brilliantly. I love him. I am just tired of our situation. I've brought it up with him a thousand times I'm just starting to sound like a nag and he just can't see its a problem.
He still lives at home with his mum and 46-year-old brother. His brother is just always there. I feel like I'm competing for my boyfriend's attention constantly. He only sees me on the nights I don't have my children unless I really arrange it in advance and he will not drive to my house. He hasn't driven here once in the whole 2 years we've been together. If I want him to come down I have to pick him up and bring him here. He drives to various places during the week. Just not to mine and always has excuses.
He does so much with his brother that I am starting to resent his brother. If I bring up his brother's constant presence he always makes me feel bad saying my brother likes you and considers you a friend etc..
Our current week looks like this:
Monday - I have my children so stay at home, He goes out with his brother.
Tuesday - I have my children so stay at home, He goes to martial arts with his brother.
Wednesday - My ex has the kids, I drive to his once he's been out into town with his brother - his brother wants to get into town by 4 pm each Wednesday, I do all the school runs as my ex works until 5 so I can't ever join them as the shops will be shut by the time I reach them. So I seem him from 7 pm onwards. We have a few hours to ourself in his room then join his brother to watch something. I leave around 1 am.
Thursday - I have my children so stay at home, He does martial arts with his brother in the afternoon then have the evening watching things with his brother.
Friday - I have my children so stay home, He "needs to have some time to himself" so usually goes out with his brother or has friends over.
Saturday - I meet him and his brother at 3 pm and we go off and do something together. occasionally something just the pair of us. I pop back to mine later afternoon to deal with my animals. In the evening we sit down with his brother and mum for tea (cooked by his mum) then his brother goes out with their mum to "give us an empty house" from 9 pm to 1 am. When he comes home we watch something with his brother until we go to bed.
Sunday - We wake and have Sunday lunch with his mum and brother, cooked for by his mum. I go home as I have to look after my animals as he and his brother do martial arts and go to the cinema after. I sometimes join them in the cinema but what we go to watch isn't open for discussion, some films I don't want to see, those times I don't go I always get made to feel bad for not joining him at the cinema. When I say I'd love it if just the two of us went sometimes, like on a date, he claims his brother joins him and he cannot just tell him he isn't welcome.

I am made to feel guilty if I don't accept his hospitality when he invites me for tea on a Wednesday as well. But they eat at 6, by the time I've packed my children off, sorted my animals etc.. I cannot get to him on time. But apparently I am coming across rude when I don't join them and turn down hot food. He says I should accept his hospitality but he doesn't cook the meals, his 70-year-old mother does, he doesn't even know how to cook. So I feel uncomfortable doing it too often.

I argue with him constantly, just because I have my children It doesn't make me off-limits, they are young, they are all in bed by 8.30 pm, all good sleepers, sleeping through until 7 am. If they are such an issue why did he bother dating someone with children? Why can't he come down here once in a while once they are asleep? Or even when they aren't here, why do I always have to be the one that goes to his? He fobs me off with that this is only temporary and I need to be patient. Nothing has changed in 2 years! He says I should be grateful that his family like me and accepted me into the family so well, anyone else would love to spend time with a close-knit family. He understands that I'm not used to it as I left home so young but in other culters, his set up is considered normal and he considers himself lucky. He thought I liked that he was close to his family - Yes I do, but not so close that we have no breathing space. He claims if he came down during the week I would end up never going to his house and not seeing his family anymore and that would hurt them, and he can't ignore them or just not spend any time with them. I'm not asking that.

When I say his brother is too much, that I'm starting to resent him as he is always there and I want some time with my boyfriend to myself. He says as I mentioned above, makes me feel so guilty say his brother likes me and sees me as a good friend. I should be lucky to have a good friend he can completely vouch for.

When we are in his room, or downstairs with his brother, I can't quietly show my boyfriend something on my phone or talk to him quietly, his brother asks to see what we are looking at and what we are talking about every time. He will continue to ask until we answer him or tell him its private. Privacy isn't something he has much concept off as he doesn't have a FB so he always longs on to my boyfriend's computer and on to his FB so sometimes I don't know who I'm messaging. He takes my boyfriends car without asking most nights we are together so if I do manage to talk my boyfriend into being the one who drives. We can't as he has no car.

Every time I mention how much his brother is becoming an issue. He gets quite upset and says he can't go through this again. It turns out all his other relationships have ended just around the 2-year mark because of his brother. When I ask why he hasn't learnt from this, he says that it's his brother. He's lucky to have a brother like him.

I tell him I worry about a future with him, I would love to get married again but don't see how that is possible when he is that close to his brother and not willing to spend any time at mine or extra time with me. He says it will get better and I need to be patient. To prove how committed he is to me and our future we have recently bought a pet together, only the animal is at my house and he's only seen him once on the day we bought him.

I honestly thought a man who does live at home would jump at the chance to spend some alone time in an empty house each week. But now I'm just questioning what the hell is wrong with me.

Does anyone have any advice? I just don't know how much longer I can be a part-time girlfriend and he doesn't see that there's a problem. If not I'm just grateful for the opportunity to rant.

OP posts:
PinkMonkeyBird · 06/02/2020 16:04

@DarkRose It sounds like you have everything in balance on your side of things re: kids/ex and parents. Please do think about getting out of this situation with this man. It is making you miserable and life is too short for that. You sound lovely and deserve much, much more than being second best to his brother. (honestly, the whole set up sounds weird! - RUN!)

FizzyPink · 06/02/2020 16:04

This might be one of the most utterly bizarre situations I’ve heard of on here.
I don’t know how you’ve lasted this long in such an infuriating situation. Sitting up in his room for a few hours before joining his family sounds so teenage.

BrusselPout · 06/02/2020 16:08

Oh good god you are in a relationship with a middle aged teenager - no wonder you are pissed off!

ravenmum · 06/02/2020 16:11

So much wrong here but a couple of points.

I've brought it up with him a thousand times I'm just starting to sound like a nag and he just can't see its a problem.
Yes, he can. He just won't admit it.

If I bring up his brother's constant presence he always makes me feel bad saying my brother likes you and considers you a friend etc..
Guilting you into silence.

some films I don't want to see, those times I don't go I always get made to feel bad for not joining him at the cinema
Guilting you more.

I am coming across rude when I don't join them and turn down hot food.
Guilting you more.

He says I should be grateful that his family like me and accepted me into the family so well, anyone else would love to spend time with a close-knit family.
Guilting you more.

Every time I mention how much his brother is becoming an issue. He gets quite upset and says he can't go through this again.
Guilting you more.

He has one tactic for making his partner obedient and so far it's evidently served him well. He can live in his weird setup but not (quite) be the sad middle-aged man who just lives with his brother.

I just don't know how much longer I can be a part-time girlfriend and he doesn't see that there's a problem.
He does see that there's a problem. He won't admit it. He just wants things his own way.

tickticktickboom · 06/02/2020 16:12

This situation is never ever going to change! Leave the relationship if you can even call it that and find a grown up who deserves you!

fedup21 · 06/02/2020 16:20

Run like the wind from this family. He can tell you what he likes about this being normal, but it really isn’t!

Can you imagine being married into it?

If family is so important, why doesn’t he spend any time with yours?

MadamePewter · 06/02/2020 16:21

And I thought this Will Ferrell movie was unbelievable 😂

Run for the hills

ravenmum · 06/02/2020 16:22

You're 31, so young but with loads of life experience, well spoken, managed to keep up a happy marriage for a long time, obviously smart, running your own business and capable of juggling a million other things at the same time. You are a huge catch. How on earth did this man have any chance at all?

dustibooks · 06/02/2020 16:38

Gordon Bennett.

He gets everything he wants out of a relationship with Mummy and Bruv. Except he can't shag either of them so he has you.

Give him an ultimatum. Either he behaves like a grown-up or you're off.

mummmy2017 · 06/02/2020 16:39

Please see this for what it is.
Your a sex toy that comes to visit.
And your supposed to be grateful.

Roussette · 06/02/2020 16:41

Is this thread a joke, because it sounds like it! There's so much wrong I don't know where to start.

How... in the name of all that is holy... do you even begin to find this man attractive? He lives with his mother, he is, in all but name, married to his brother, he tells you to be patient... patient for what exactly? I would just find someone like this so unattractive, don't you want someone who has lived a bit so you can share past experiences and plan for the future?

There is no future with this man-toddler. If he is this close to his brother and gives him so much attention and time (cinema trips, martial arts, watch telly together, eat together blah blah), there is nothing left for you and never will be. Do you ever have sex? If so, does it have to be 9pm-1am on a Saturday night?

What a boring uninspiring man, I'd rather be on my own. You sound lovely, good grief just ditch him, you are the third wheel with him and his brother.

Dozer · 06/02/2020 16:43

Bad decision to date this man, and to continue dating him when he has never even driven 35 minutes for you!

Dump. Raise your standards before dating again.

Dozer · 06/02/2020 16:46

Also a very bad decision for him to spend time with your DC when he won’t even drive to see you. Poor parenting judgment on that one.

hottielottie · 06/02/2020 16:51

Sorry OP your DP is a mummy's boy weirdo who will probably never move out of his moms home. It's an unhealthy & un natural situation that both brothers live with their mom at their ages.
It all sounds a bit creepy tbh, I mean can you actually have sex without the other brother watching over you ?! I mean you must be DTD the night the brother & mom leaves you from 9PM as that's the only time you've got really ..... cringe Confused

Ugh. I would run. The hills are that way >>>

Close knit families are great, I'm not knocking that, but you have absolutely no privacy, no alone time & worst of all your DP sees noting wrong with it! He isn't making any effort to have any privacy or alone time together & he is just playing you staying that you have to be patient & things will change.

Ditch 👎🏻

hottielottie · 06/02/2020 16:52

I would have ended it 6 months into this weird set up!

SandyY2K · 06/02/2020 16:52

44 and still living with his mum would be enough to be done really. Your relationship sounds dull and joyless ..what's the point.

You don't need to convince him it's not working... it's working for him. You're the one who is not happy...therefore you need to walk away.

Have either him or his brother got special needs?

GatoFofo · 06/02/2020 16:52

LTB. That is all.

Dozer · 06/02/2020 16:53

6 months?! 6 weeks of doing all the driving and most “dates” involving hanging out with the in laws would surely be more than enough for most!

hottielottie · 06/02/2020 16:57

I meant I would have given him the benefit of the doubt for 6 months to see if the situation improved

MocholateMousse · 06/02/2020 16:58

I can’t believe you’ve stayed with him for 2 years! This is all so weird and dysfunctional. Dump.

StormTreader · 06/02/2020 17:00

"In the evening we sit down with his brother and mum for tea (cooked by his mum) then his brother goes out with their mum to "give us an empty house" from 9 pm to 1 am. When he comes home we watch something with his brother until we go to bed."

I mean, blarg! You realise this is as good as them saying "it's your 'fuck him' time now - we're giving you 4 hours to do your job, we'll be back at 1".

hottielottie · 06/02/2020 17:01

Ugh .... and I bet you are the wank fodder for the 'other' brother that's left out of getting leg over on the weekly 9PM schedule. Sorry OP that sounds awful but it's kind of creepy that you are now in a somewhat relationship with the other brother too as you can't leave him out of anything.

BlushGrinHmm

hottielottie · 06/02/2020 17:02

Oh dear OP.... why on earth have you gone all this time thinking that this is acceptable ???

Lordamighty · 06/02/2020 17:07

You are completely wasting your time with this man. He won’t change because he doesn’t want to, everything is just how he likes it. He makes zero effort & has you & his mother catering to his every need.
Only you can decide if you want to continue the relationship. You are still young & deserve better treatment than this. Value yourself & your precious time more & get rid of the manchild.

PurpleGhost · 06/02/2020 17:08

This isn't going to end how you want it to so you might as well cut your losses.
You're so young and have everything going for you, you deserve someone that will put you first.
There's a reason he's not had a relationship longer than 2 years.

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