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Is it over before it even began?

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Sohardtochooseausername · 09/01/2020 07:57

I met a guy at a party before Christmas and really really like him. He’s gorgeous and we have a lot in common. We have had 3 dates which ended up with us sleeping over at each other’s houses.

There is a major complication - he seemed quite anxious about me and my past relationships and asked me very direct questions about them. I answered honestly and last night he phoned to say he didn’t think he could carry on seeing me because he isn’t sure it’s going to work based on my past.

My past - I’ve been single for 18 months but not had any relationships. Then a 9 year relationship where I was faithful but my exP cheated continuously. Previous to that I was married and I ended the marriage by having an affair.

I feel like I was “punished” for my affair by how my exP treated me! I’m not a cheater - that was the only time I ever did cheat. I don’t think it should affect chances of future happiness. What do you all think? I really like this guy but it doesn’t seem to be starting well!

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HoneyBeeHappy · 09/01/2020 09:42

Wow the hypocrisy on here is astounding.

OP, it sounds as if you’re still holding everyone else for your behaviours and choices. So your marriage ended because you had an affair, understandable in the circumstances given there was infidelity on both sides of the marriage, although still not justifiable. You can say “I had an affair because he cheated on me,” but while the affair is understandable two wrongs don’t make a right.

From the bloke’s perspective, he has started a relationship with someone who has form for cheating. Doesn’t matter if you’ve done it once or ten times, you still did it. I don’t believe once a cheat always a cheat but you simply can’t say “I’m not a cheat” because you are.

Everyone has their deal-breakers, and for him this is one of them. To claim that he’s obviously controlling and probably not whiter than white in his previous relationships is attempting to brush off and justify your previous actions and hold him responsible for judging you on that basis.

My marriage ended because I had an affair. It was an emotionally abusive marriage in every way, and I ended up having an affair (well it was an emotional affair and then we slept together once).

The reasons why I had the affair are understandable. Have written about the circs on here before but basically h who was controlling, gaslighting, emotionally abusive, isolated me from family and friends and other support and the list goes on.

But while I can absolutely look back at any affair and say that affairs are not black and white. While there is often a reason for them happening this doesn’t brush out the wrong that they are.

I have a partner now who knows my history and understands and is with me regardless. But when you have a transgression in your past, you do so in the knowledge and acceptance that this will affect how people see you in the future. That’s not their issue to deal with, you made the choices you made and those choices will sometimes have long-term consequences.

There are posters on here who wouldn’t even be friends with someone they knew to have previously had an affair, and anyone stating that someone they were becoming involved with had stated that they’d had an affair previously would be told to run for the hills.

Any man who came on here and said that he’d cheated but he wasn’t a cheat because it only happened the once would be crucified.

I’m sorry that things haven’t worked out here, but IMO you need to think about coming to terms with yourself first, and accepting how things are based on the choices you’ve made previously.

HoneyBeeHappy · 09/01/2020 09:47

PS: I don’t agree with some of the vitriol on here directed at people who have had affairs, but people do still have the right to make their own choices.

For me drugs would be a deal breaker, even somewhere in the past. That’s not my problem, if he’d done hard drugs then that choice means people will revise what they think of him.

SilverSurfer2020 · 09/01/2020 10:41

I have a partner now who knows my history and understands and is with me regardless. But when you have a transgression in your past, you do so in the knowledge and acceptance that this will affect how people see you in the future.

Well aren't you lucky.

Op hasn't been as lucky with this man she likes.

Not much empathy from you there though - easy for you to say "own it" etc when you've found a presumably good relationship &partner in spite of your past infidelity .. but ops here being hurt, disappointed and rejected die to hers

As for his possible history - yes if must definitely is worth investigating; since few people have nothing in their past and that dies make him a hypocrite if there's anything, and if he'd honest about it if course.

SilverSurfer2020 · 09/01/2020 10:42

*due to
*Does

Inappropriatefemale · 09/01/2020 10:45

It’s none of his business imo what you did in your past, I would say that 50% of folks have cheated whether it’s a snog with someone that isn’t your boyfriend when you were 17 to a full blown affair when married.

You were honest about your past and he threw it back at you so I think he is über judgey and your better off without him.

SilverSurfer2020 · 09/01/2020 10:47

Interesting how he was able to very directly question op on why her past relationships Brooke down but op seems to have been left none the wiser about why his did.

Saying he ended an engagement but no explanation. No info on how any previous relationships ended either. He doesn't seem to have been v forthcoming, does he - while happy to question op.

LemonTT · 09/01/2020 10:50

I don’t really see the point of the post. If the relationship never began then there is no real harm done. The cheating may be the reason but he might just not be feeling it. Who knows.

That some people will not forgive or be involved with people who have cheated in the past is no surprise on here. Some people won’t have any form of relationship, friend, acquaintance, or familial with someone who has cheated. I don’t agree with it, but there you have it. It’s incredibly limiting and I do wonder what these people will do if a child of theirs turns out to be basically human.

SilverSurfer2020 · 09/01/2020 10:52

*broke

FenellaVelour · 09/01/2020 10:53

I wonder if he’s been cheated on before, hence the searching questions so early on.

HoneyBeeHappy · 09/01/2020 11:01

But while everyone has a past, everyone has their dealbreakers in terms of what they would accept in a relationship.

It has nothing to do with a lack of empathy, but everything to do with the fact that our past choices can and often do make a difference to our future and acceptance by others.

I don’t think the OP should be judged on a wider scale for her past, but the truth is that some would see past infidelity as a dealbreaker in a relationship. After all if OP shouldn’t be judged, perhaps her eXH shouldn’t either?

The fact here is that neither is wrong. The man sees infidelity as a dealbreaker and that is his prerogative. Similarly the OP isn’t wrong for wanting to be in a relationship with someone who doesn’t see her past infidelity as a dealbreaker. Unfortunately those things just aren’t compatible sometimes.

It’s not dissimilar to someone getting involved with someone who has kids. For some kids are a dealbreaker in a relationship because they don’t feel step parenting is for them. They’re not wrong to think that, best to be up-front about it. But conversely the person with kids isn’t wrong to hope they would meet someone for who kids from a previous relationship won’t present a problem.

AlternativePerspective · 09/01/2020 11:08

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SilverSurfer2020 · 09/01/2020 11:10

It has nothing to do with a lack of empathy, but everything to do with the fact that our past choices can and often do make a difference to our future and acceptance by others.

I was pointing out your lack of empathy, giving op what amounted to a little lecture on owning her behaviour and the consequences - while you are experiencing no judgement or consequences in your current relationship for your past infidelity .. while she is being judged, rejected and experiencing disappointment and hurt her due to hers.

Also I'd put a tidy sum in him not being lily white himself. But we don't know, because he was notably unforthcoming about that - while happy to directly question op, hmm.

SilverSurfer2020 · 09/01/2020 11:11

*on him

BorissGiantJohnson · 09/01/2020 11:16

He's making a sensible decision. Having an affair, as an adult, while married is not a great indicator of a good honest loyal character, is it! It involves so much unnecessary lying, sneaking around, and using the person you're supposed love. Nobody wants to be on the receiving end of that behaviour. Fair enough you may have learnt from that and changed, but he doesn't want to take the risk.
You don't really have any choice but too accept his decision, you can't make him go out with you! He's said no, leave him alone.

hellsbellsmelons · 09/01/2020 11:22

Huge red flag OP.
He shouldn't be asking you that kind of thing.
They always use it a stick to beat you with.
Usually controlling or abusive people.
You dodged a bullet I reckon!

THIS THREAD explains it!

SilverSurfer2020 · 09/01/2020 11:25

his longest relationship was 3 years.

Was focusing on other things but now I've reread this ... 44 yes old and his longest relationship's been 3 yrs??!!!

Yeah, I wouldn't worry about him not being able to accept your past infidelity .. I'd worry about the above.

ShatnersWig · 09/01/2020 12:45

44 yes old and his longest relationship's been 3 yrs??!!!

I have a female friend whose been single almost 13 years and will soon be 43. Her longest relationship is 4 years. She's had a lot of single dates and three guys she saw for around three months, one of whom turned out to be cheating on his wife, one who was "separated" and dropped the bombshell that he had three kids (previously said he had none) and the other fizzled out due to distance. I don't class any of those as relationships, she was just dating them briefly.

Do I regularly wonder what's wrong with her? No. She clearly just hasn't found the right guy yet. And good for her.

I know a guy of 39 whose longest relationship is three years. Do I wonder what's wrong with him? No, because he didn't have any relationship for five years because his work was constantly sending him all around the globe and he was never in one place longer than three months at a time so he didn't want to get involved. Seems sensible to me, not messing anyone around.

Sohardtochooseausername · 09/01/2020 13:25

I was faithful to my serial cheating exP for all the 9 years we were together. I had a very brief affair in the previous relationship which was over 12 years ago. But I take the points made here that some people would judge this as being once a cheater always the potential for it.

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Sohardtochooseausername · 09/01/2020 13:26

PS I just posted because I haven’t been in a relationship for 18 months. I’ve been through therapy and I feel ready. I like this guy, apart from this we have a lot in common and fancy each other. But I won’t chase him now.

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Inappropriatefemale · 09/01/2020 13:34

Relationship pain is the worst regardless of whether it was over before it began.

thisisallnewtome8 · 09/01/2020 14:16

It has nothing to do with a lack of empathy, but everything to do with the fact that our past choices can and often do make a difference to our future and acceptance by others.

I was pointing out your lack of empathy, giving op what amounted to a little lecture on owning her behaviour and the consequences - while you are experiencing no judgement or consequences in your current relationship for your past infidelity .. while she is being judged, rejected and experiencing disappointment and hurt her due to hers.

^^THIS

GiveHerHellFromUs · 09/01/2020 14:19

Relationship pain is the worst regardless of whether it was over before it began.

If only the worst pain we experienced as humans was someone dumping us after 3 dates...

Sohardtochooseausername · 09/01/2020 14:20

Thank you @thisisallnewtome8

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Sohardtochooseausername · 09/01/2020 14:21

It came after building myself back up after an abusive relationship @GiveHerHellFromUs

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GiveHerHellFromUs · 09/01/2020 14:22

I'm not saying it hasn't been hard for you @Sohardtochooseausername

I'm saying relationship pain isn't the worst pain you can experience

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