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39 and boyfriend reluctant over a baby

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Louie1980 · 30/11/2019 12:03

Hi

I'm 39, been with my partner 18 months, he's also 39. We live together. I have no children, he has one aged 15. We're on the verge of breaking up over the issue of children. It breaks my breaks heart because I love him more than I've ever loved anyone. Sorry it is so long, its hard to summarise these things! Any advice would be appreciated as I feel at my wits end.

Just before we moved in together at 8 months, I brought up the issue of children and I feel he didn't react positively. We were in a restaurant, and in what I thought was a romantic moment, I told him I wanted a child with him. Said it hasn't felt right in my last relationship of 18 years because I wasn't that deeply in love with him, I'd almost convinced myself that I didn't want kids as something just didn't ever feel right with him. That for the first time it feels right for me, that he made me laugh so much and we have such a great time together and have so much love that I could picture kids. He said well it's not all roses, they are hard work, they are stress, I guarantee it will change our relationship. Nothing positive! I got upset. He said he feels kinda on the fence, he has one child so doesn't feel a desperate urge, but if I want a child "one day" he could have one. That's the problem, his "one day" when I'm 39!

And basically this cycle has continued for the past year, building up until now where we've exploded. We've got stuck in a cycle where I bring up kids, remind him at 39 it's kind of now or never. I have endometrosis and fibroids so fear I may have ferrility challenges and we'd need to try for a long time anyway.

He says he wants kids but I'm putting too on much pressure. I need to be patient and allow the bond to grow naturally. I say I know we haven't been together that long, and I wish I was 29 not 39 and we could have a good number of years just enjoying each other, but there isnt that time. First 6 months of living together we had a handful of rows about it, admittedly I got hysterical at times, about once a month we'd split up, because it always felt when I brought it up, gently, he would freak out and only say negative things. He says if I could remain calm he would be in a place wanting children. I say if you wanted children I'd be calm!

We've had many hearts to hearts, calm ones, about what's holding him back. He says he had one child with a woman he barely knew and he wants to be sure this time it would be in a relationship that will last. He said just show me calmness and I will want this. So I really tried, we didnt disciss it for a few months, things were lovely, and I asked him if we could try soon maybe in a couple of months and he said yes and much to my delight he started not withdrawing in me straight away. That was July.

Then the next month, I told him it was ovulation time, come and shag me silly and he freaked out. Said it wasnt sexy don't tell him when I'm ovulating. Poured out loads of negative feelings. Said he had shouted at his dog the day before (he does do this annoying high pitched whining) so what if he doesn't have the paience to be a father full time? He had a bad relationship with his own father who was emotionally abusive and uncaring, occasionally physically abusive, who he doesn't speak to. He said what if I'm like my dad? (He wouldn't be anything like that!). Said he's not done full time, hes worried about the feeling you can never have a break/escape. The stress and sleepless nights, says he likes being selfish and his lie ins etc. It wasn't what I wanted to hear but I remained calm, and tried to talk through all his fears and ways to deal with them (I said anytime you need a break, it's fine I'll hold the fort you take yourself off for a few days etc).

But the calmess only lasted so long. He began picking fights with me over small things and we rowed. I was trying to keep calm but failed, he was pushing my buttons. (He has a totally different perspective and feels I've been attacking him, its so frustrating he doesnt see hes always been the one to initiate fights and it feels like sabotage to me). He carried on month after month, half up for trying but not if he got a hint it was my ovulation days suddendly our pasionate sex life would falter (he'd say oh Im tired, but I suppose we have to I'm scared of upsetting you). Things got calm again in October and we tried more properly that month but again he showed reluctance and we stopped trying.

Admittedly, as this issue has continued, I've not handled it well. I break down and cry. He tries to get away from me and I follow him round the house contuining the fight. We stay up till 5am arguing. He leaves and I blow up his phone. I understand where he is coming from, I do get intense and it's not helping. I'm just in a sheer panic now about missing out on children. I also have zero family everyone has died so that makes me emotional too. I told him I really really will try harder but I need him to meet me half way, even if we halt trying, at least start to give me some positive talk. To talk about how lovely kids could be, how we'd bring them up etc.

After five months of this behaviour it's all come to a head. A few weeks ago I realised that I always intiated sex, all year, the whole time we've lived together where he was all over me before. Our sex has always been great so I hadn't really noticed before. I brought it up, asked if it was baby related, said it affected my self esteem. He exploded and said here we go again you cant stay calm (I had been!) this is why my head's not in the right place. He stayed at his mums for a few days, thought we had turned a corner. He came back saying I want kids, began for the first time talking positively and talking through the practicalities (suggested moving near his parents to have their help). Said let's have a couple of months of calm and start again in the New Year. I said fab.

So we have a few weeks of calm and then a few weeks I took his hand and said I bloody adore you, when we try again in Jan can you promise me there'll be no doubts and starting and stopping? He flew off the handle saying I can't stop the pressure. He sent me links to articles about borderline personality disorder and implied I'm mentally ill! I'm not whatsoever! Im a 39 year old woman in a panic I'm missing out on kids. I said it's huge alarm bells that just a month or so before you say youll be ready to start trying for a baby, you react like this. He is putting all the balme on me (all year hes suggested I have counseling - I did - the emphasis is all about how I need to fix myself). I suggested couples counselling, and him having counselling alone to figure out what he wants, but it falls on deaf ears. He swears he wants children with me and its exhausting trying to convince me he loves me. He says his wobbles are just minor things, why can't I show him the patience and hold his hand through his little doubts.

He's now at his mothers and I've suggested a month break. I know and fully agree with him that I need to react better. I'm trying to get across to him it's a two way thing and his behaviour is sabotaging and so triggering, he needs to show me more positivity. Now weve taken a step back, I also feel worried he is (subconsciously not maliciously) gaslighting me. Trying to convince me I'm mentally ill, to project away from the fact he doesnt fully know what he wants and is afraid to commit. He barely talks about his fears of having children, and plays them down, makes out our only problem holding us back is my behaviour.

Some background on him... We've had many heart to hearts about it. He told me when he'd got his "fuck buddy" pregnant he'd known for three weeks in his early 20s (he suspects she trapped him saying she was on the pill) he was devastated. They'd gone to an abortion clinic and just before it was about to happen she ran out saying she couldn't do it. He stood by his child. For 15 years has paid maintenance and seen his son once a week. But he said he felt depressed for many years because he didn't want kids with someone he didn't love/barely knew. He resented giving up nights out staying in with the baby when his friends were all out. Said it contributed to him smoking too much weed to numb himself (something he did for over a decade, he has given it up completely since meeting me). When his son was 6, he felt bad he'd never given the mother of his child a chance romantically and they were together 18 months. He said he didnt ever fall in love with her and she pushed for moving in and they split. They are amicable enough and make it work, but there is underlying tension as she doesn't really involve him in decisions (for example, when he was 6 she was letting him wander off to the park on his own where teens where drinking and smoking, he went nuts, even now she will text him to say been to parents evening weve decided he is dropping this GCSE, so tells him stuff but wouldn't dream of having invited him to parents evening and asking his opinion - he moans about it, but arguably he could find out the date and get himself there!).

He lived with one other girl who got pregnant and had an abortion, they were together 4 years, that ended 7 years ago. She was 11 years younger, said he did love her but age difference challenging, they were volatile and she cheated on him and hed taken her back. It was a different more recent ex of his who I got chatting to in the beginning when I was trying to figure him out, who told me he had "made her" have an abortion. I asked him about it, he said they'd agreed mutually to have an abortion, she was young and studying, he felt the relationship was too volatile. I thought ok fair enough.

I don't know what to do. This has become toxic and both of us feel close to a breakdown so it can't carry on like this. As much as I want a baby, I know it wouldn't be fair to being a child right now into our relationship as it is. I don't want a child where I feel I've held a gun to his head, I only want it if it feels right and both of us are fully on board. I know how having a baby tests the strongest of relationships. I also really don't want to let him go. I feel so sad this issue is destroying a love that felt so wonderful. In between all the drama, we laugh so much and we have always been able to be super affectionate.

I've thought about leaving him and having a sperm donor. But it's not right for me a) I have zero family so would feel completely alone in it and b) I just don't want a baby for the sake of it I want that only in a loving stable family unit.

Rationally, this relationship hasn't turned out how I hoped, but at 39 I don't think it's a good idea to start again and try meet someone else to have a family with. I don't think there would be the time to bond with someone and it could be a disaster to look for a relationship when pinning my hopes and hapiness on a guy to give me my last shot at a family.

And I really love him. I'm so confused. Some days I think ok be smart, get super calm, be patient through his wobbles. You can win him round, we are close. Believe and trust him when he says he wants a child. Then I think ok get real, there have been too many red flags, he's a commitment phobe and it doesnt matter what I say or do. Happiness and all he wants could be right here and he is sabotabing it and I deserve better. I feel angry hes delaying so to ensure biology takes the decision away from us. It's really a pressure cooker also because we were in the middle of moving house, we'd spent two months finding the right place (a doerupper to renovate and make money on), viewed 40 houses. We were so excited about a business venture together. Yesterday I cancelled the house sale with our buyers. I wanted to show him I am on the brink of giving up and I hoped he would have a u turn.

If we both want the same thing like he swears, why is it so hard?! I want him back so much but I'm scared of us just repeating the same pattern. I know I can try a bit harder to give him calmness but I keep saying to him, my emotional outbursts are a symptom, I can try to do better but when the cause, his reluctance, is repeatedly coming out I can only manage that symptom not make it go away.

Have thought about IVF where we freeze our fertilized embryos and wait until things feel right. That that could take the pressure off and allow uus to have a baby only when things are right. He had said it was a great idea. I felt sad thinking it meant if he was prepared to spend £10k plus on that (money we'd have to borrow) he really is not anywhere near close to wanting a baby and so would it be a waste?

I said to him in the beginning, when I met him I was quite enjoying a child free life, and if he'd have told me he didn't want kids I think I'd have stayed with him because I really love him. But this half in half out situation is torturous.

Thoughts please. Am going crazy.

OP posts:
LasthingIlldo · 30/11/2019 14:29

He doesn't want another child another 18+ years of commitment to that child he just doesn't.
Loving him doesn't make this a loving stable unit to bring a child into.
The relationship isn't working right now and will implode with a baby he doesn't want.
You can't force this on him any further, no more talking it out he has nothing more to say.
He wants you to calm down and never mention it ever again because he doesn't want a baby.
You now need to decide is this man worth no baby? are you really OK with giving up your wish for a child?

The only choice I see is him resenting a baby you are desperate for or you resenting him with prospect ever of a baby
He won't ever be really honest with you until reality hits and you became pregnant and then as in the past he would more than likely push for an abortion.

LasthingIlldo · 30/11/2019 14:30

With *no prospect of a baby ever

damnthatanxiety · 30/11/2019 14:32

So he demands that you be 'calm' and he will reward you with a child and then when for whatever reason, you are not 'calm', he punishes you by revoking any plans for dc and blames you for not being 'calm'. Sounds like a controlling arse. Get rid. You'll never have dc with him and nor should you want to.

RantyAnty · 30/11/2019 14:34

He's made it very clear he doesn't want a child.

I know you say you don't want to have one by yourself and you want to have one in a loving family. You don't have a loving family now with him.

If you really want a baby, leave him and have one on your own. You don't have to be alone as there are many other single parents out there.

He's just waste your time until there is no possibly left and he'll feck off somewhere.

He seems to like to blame others as the women were responsible for getting pregnant, not him! He talks about how hard raising a child is but it sounds like he has done very little

You didn't say what kind of relationship he has now with his teen son.

Cut your losses as he doesn't want children and he doesn't care if he wastes your time or not.

Aquamarine1029 · 30/11/2019 14:42

Your relationship with this man is absolute rubbish, and your desperation to have a baby has made you blind to that fact. Having a baby with this man would be a massive mistake.

Spitsandspots · 30/11/2019 14:43

at 39 I don't think it's a good idea to start again and try meet someone else to have a family with

It would be the best idea tbh.

sit down with him, calmy, and say look I really feel you don't want a child and I think we have to acknowledge that. I told him it doesn't make him a bad person. And I could posisbly still stay with him I just need clarity. He absolutely swears he does

But he really doesn’t. He is just telling you what you want to hear and will string you along until time has run out.

ChrisPrattsFace · 30/11/2019 14:46

I haven’t read it all. That is far too long, it’s obvious from the start he doesn’t want kids and he’s kindly putting it till it’s too late, without just saying it.
Don’t force him into children he doesn’t want.

VisionQuest · 30/11/2019 14:57

He really doesn't sound like good father material anyway.

I think he's been going along with it to placate you and is coming up with all kinds of ridiculous demands and conditions to buy himself some more time.

I think the upshot is that he clearly doesn't want to have another child. At least, not right now and that's fine for him, because he could be fathering children into his 50's potentially. Unfortunately that's not the case for you.

I don't think you can stay with him really, because there will just be too much resentment.

Imagine staying with him and then he changes his mind at 45 when the ship has sailed, what then? If you freeze your fertilised eggs, again that's fine, but at what point do you actually use them?

Your other option is just to completely take the pressure off, stop talking about it, stop arguing about it and continue to have sex and see what happens. However, I really don't think you would end up playing happy families. I think you would end up on your own anyway.

Sorry, it's a difficult situation for you.

SweetSally · 30/11/2019 15:12

@Louie1980

It sounds like a very sad story. Do you realize that wanting kids is one thing and having children is complete different matter? Also, you actually are pushing it at age 39-40 (no offense to any moms out there it's from biological prospective). With your health background you are will face a lot of issues some of which might scar you for live - pregnancy complications if you do conceive, child with disabilities, still birth, miscarriage, etc

Also. You have only been together for 18 months. You asked him 8 months in to start thinking about having children together... That's rushing it and I can see why he won't be comfortable with such a commitment.

I think you need to accept that you are not cut for each other and move on.
As for children, do you have any options of paying privately to have fertility tests done and see what your odds of having s healthy baby are? There is nothing wrong with having a child with additional needs but it's one of the hardest things ever

PositiveVibez · 30/11/2019 15:18

I just don't want a baby for the sake of it I want that only in a loving stable family unit

The wailing and crying and arguing and him going to stay at his mum's. You can't bring a child into that. He doesn't want a kid.

Looking after his only child once a week turned him into a pothead ffs.

rvby · 30/11/2019 15:19

I just don't want a baby for the sake of it I want that only in a loving stable family unit.

This is your argument for not wanting to go it alone. But surely you see the same applies to having a baby with this guy? He's blatantly screaming at you, via his actions, that he doesnt want a baby. There is no stable loving family unit waiting for your hypothetical child. You see that dont you?

sit down with him, calmy, and say look I really feel you don't want a child and I think we have to acknowledge that. I told him it doesn't make him a bad person. And I could posisbly still stay with him I just need clarity. He absolutely swears he does

Again - not being nasty but surely it is plain to you that he is using words to keep you, because he knows his actions won't work? Because he knows he will not have a baby with you, he just doesnt want to. Hes hoping that placating you with words will be enough and then when your fertility quietly extinguishes itself in a few years, he can pretend it was just bad luck that the timing wasn't aligned.

Basically he wants to be with you, but doesnt want to get dumped for not wanting a baby, so he's trying whatever tactics he can to keep you without doing the baby part.

Obviously hes not going to tell you that though. That's the whole point. Do you understand that folk do lie sometimes, you're not going to get him to admit the one thing that will make the relationship end... he will deny it forever and call you crazy, etc in an effort to get you to leave it.

SureTry · 30/11/2019 15:25

Unfortunately, I think you've both made the whole situation a pressurised toxic mess. In your desperate state you've put so much pressure on yourselves to the extent that it has broken your relationship.

You're going to have to go it alone or look for someone else.

DesMartinsPetCat · 30/11/2019 15:27

I break down and cry. He tries to get away from me and I follow him round the house contuining the fight. We stay up till 5am arguing. He leaves and I blow up his phone

Baby issue aside, your relationship doesn’t sound stable at all. Communication is way out. Would you really want to bring a baby in to this?

To be honest, he doesn’t sound great. If I’ve read your opening post right, he’s had three unplanned pregnancies with three women, two of who had abortions (and one who he was with from when she was 17 and he was 28?). He had a weed problem, and generally sounds like a child who runs to his mummy when his girlfriend is mean to him.

He says he had one child with a woman he barely knew and he wants to be sure this time it would be in a relationship that will last

Concerns about him aside, I actually think this reason is a great one.

He’s telling you he doesn’t think the relationship will last. Listen to him.

LaurieFairyCake · 30/11/2019 15:27

It's too late for you to have children.

To really have children now you both have to be unconditionally dedicated to it. You've been trying to have kids naturally all year and it hasn't happened.

You probably now need medical help to have children - fertility treatment, ivf.

He does not want children enough to be stable enough to go through it.

So it's too late for you to have children with him if you insist on stability etc - the best you can do is do fertility treatment yourself and let go of this relationship

OR

Have this relationship without kids

PlasticPatty · 30/11/2019 15:27

Please stop kidding yourself you can make this man the love of your life.
If you want a baby, have one. Sperm donor time. Make a life for you and your child.

Cut this man loose. He doesn't want what you want.

MustBeDueSomeBetterFeet · 30/11/2019 15:28

If you take out the subject of the arguments, and just look at the behaviour, this is a completely unhealthy relationship and definitely not one to bring a child into.

Completely agree with other posters that you need to look elsewhere or to go it alone if you want a child. 18 months into a relationship, you shouldn't be splitting up all the time!

MikeUniformMike · 30/11/2019 15:35

Not RTFT but I keep seeing references to IVF.

It's AID OP should consider.

TheHumansAreDefinitelyDead · 30/11/2019 15:46

Sorry but it really does not sound you are right for each other.

Don't make him a father, he could not handle it

At all

horse4course · 30/11/2019 15:46

Starting to try to conceive is the fun, easy bit OP. If it's this hard now, I'm afraid there's no way the relationship would survive to make the happy family you want.

Having a baby takes your relationship under huge pressure, it needs to be strong or at least have both parties dedicated to making it work.

Stop wasting your time with him and decide if you want to pursue conception alone or to hope to meet someone else. Thanks

elderlee · 30/11/2019 15:55

I really feel for you, must be really hard. But he doesn't want a baby..

LouisaJenny · 30/11/2019 16:21

OP, I’ve been in an almost identical situation myself. I felt like I was reading about my own life. I moved in with ex after 8 months, we had however always discussed kids before hand.

After a year or so of living together he decided he didnt want another child (has one with an ex, I have none). We spent about 6 months deciding what to do, he said he was on the fence, wasnt fussed, would if I wanted to. Eventually we decided it just wasnt right, and actually we were incompatible. Ending that relationship was one of the hardest things of my life but deep down I know it was the right thing to so. You have to think about yourself in this situation.

If having a baby is what you really want, you should leave your partner. Like you, I don’t want to go it alone, but we split as I knew if we didn’t have one together, later down the line I’d resent him for it.

It’s still early for me, I miss him but I know it was right.

All the best, OP.

Sandals19 · 30/11/2019 16:36

*'Or you day not a word about anything (since apparently it's your insecurities and outbursts that are making him not want to try to a baby now - hmm), have sex around the right time, try to get pregnant etc.'

Fucking hell, don't follow @Sandals19 advice confused
It's hard having a baby with someone who really wants one with you, can't imagine how difficult it is having a baby with someone who doesn't want one.*

You clearly did not read the rest of my post and have just gone off on one without reading it fully or understanding.

I said *but" I think you will be a single mother. And in the follow up post below it, I said she will essentially be using him as s sperm donor.

Sandals19 · 30/11/2019 16:38

I wasn't factoring him in at all - aside from cm payment (if he pays like he did with his first) and possibly minimal support from him and his family.

Interestedwoman · 30/11/2019 16:48

I would do the egg freezing thing for yourself if you can- 39 is cutting it fine in any instance, and that'd mean you're more likely to succeed in having a baby at some point.

As to him, he's a cruel wanker, leave him. Best wishes xxxxx

dottiedodah · 30/11/2019 17:01

The thing is I wonder if you are sort of panicking now, as you had a LTR which didnt work out .And are now desperate to have children, which is obviously understandable .The point here is he is lukewarm about becoming a parent ,which is making you fret as you feel its your last chance ? I am not blaming you at all here ,but I think you may have to give up on the idea with him anyway.Maybe you spent too long in your previous relationship? I dont know and am not judging you at all, but 18 years is a long time to be with someone through the most fertile years and not try for a baby or end the relationship earlier on .I think he is scared TBH and you are obviously worried too .Even if you start to try and become pregnant ,you have a lot of stress to deal with and Babies although lovely can be very hard work as well.Maybe see a Counsellor and try to work through your feelings .Would you consider Adoption do you think?(again very stressful though)