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39 and boyfriend reluctant over a baby

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Louie1980 · 30/11/2019 12:03

Hi

I'm 39, been with my partner 18 months, he's also 39. We live together. I have no children, he has one aged 15. We're on the verge of breaking up over the issue of children. It breaks my breaks heart because I love him more than I've ever loved anyone. Sorry it is so long, its hard to summarise these things! Any advice would be appreciated as I feel at my wits end.

Just before we moved in together at 8 months, I brought up the issue of children and I feel he didn't react positively. We were in a restaurant, and in what I thought was a romantic moment, I told him I wanted a child with him. Said it hasn't felt right in my last relationship of 18 years because I wasn't that deeply in love with him, I'd almost convinced myself that I didn't want kids as something just didn't ever feel right with him. That for the first time it feels right for me, that he made me laugh so much and we have such a great time together and have so much love that I could picture kids. He said well it's not all roses, they are hard work, they are stress, I guarantee it will change our relationship. Nothing positive! I got upset. He said he feels kinda on the fence, he has one child so doesn't feel a desperate urge, but if I want a child "one day" he could have one. That's the problem, his "one day" when I'm 39!

And basically this cycle has continued for the past year, building up until now where we've exploded. We've got stuck in a cycle where I bring up kids, remind him at 39 it's kind of now or never. I have endometrosis and fibroids so fear I may have ferrility challenges and we'd need to try for a long time anyway.

He says he wants kids but I'm putting too on much pressure. I need to be patient and allow the bond to grow naturally. I say I know we haven't been together that long, and I wish I was 29 not 39 and we could have a good number of years just enjoying each other, but there isnt that time. First 6 months of living together we had a handful of rows about it, admittedly I got hysterical at times, about once a month we'd split up, because it always felt when I brought it up, gently, he would freak out and only say negative things. He says if I could remain calm he would be in a place wanting children. I say if you wanted children I'd be calm!

We've had many hearts to hearts, calm ones, about what's holding him back. He says he had one child with a woman he barely knew and he wants to be sure this time it would be in a relationship that will last. He said just show me calmness and I will want this. So I really tried, we didnt disciss it for a few months, things were lovely, and I asked him if we could try soon maybe in a couple of months and he said yes and much to my delight he started not withdrawing in me straight away. That was July.

Then the next month, I told him it was ovulation time, come and shag me silly and he freaked out. Said it wasnt sexy don't tell him when I'm ovulating. Poured out loads of negative feelings. Said he had shouted at his dog the day before (he does do this annoying high pitched whining) so what if he doesn't have the paience to be a father full time? He had a bad relationship with his own father who was emotionally abusive and uncaring, occasionally physically abusive, who he doesn't speak to. He said what if I'm like my dad? (He wouldn't be anything like that!). Said he's not done full time, hes worried about the feeling you can never have a break/escape. The stress and sleepless nights, says he likes being selfish and his lie ins etc. It wasn't what I wanted to hear but I remained calm, and tried to talk through all his fears and ways to deal with them (I said anytime you need a break, it's fine I'll hold the fort you take yourself off for a few days etc).

But the calmess only lasted so long. He began picking fights with me over small things and we rowed. I was trying to keep calm but failed, he was pushing my buttons. (He has a totally different perspective and feels I've been attacking him, its so frustrating he doesnt see hes always been the one to initiate fights and it feels like sabotage to me). He carried on month after month, half up for trying but not if he got a hint it was my ovulation days suddendly our pasionate sex life would falter (he'd say oh Im tired, but I suppose we have to I'm scared of upsetting you). Things got calm again in October and we tried more properly that month but again he showed reluctance and we stopped trying.

Admittedly, as this issue has continued, I've not handled it well. I break down and cry. He tries to get away from me and I follow him round the house contuining the fight. We stay up till 5am arguing. He leaves and I blow up his phone. I understand where he is coming from, I do get intense and it's not helping. I'm just in a sheer panic now about missing out on children. I also have zero family everyone has died so that makes me emotional too. I told him I really really will try harder but I need him to meet me half way, even if we halt trying, at least start to give me some positive talk. To talk about how lovely kids could be, how we'd bring them up etc.

After five months of this behaviour it's all come to a head. A few weeks ago I realised that I always intiated sex, all year, the whole time we've lived together where he was all over me before. Our sex has always been great so I hadn't really noticed before. I brought it up, asked if it was baby related, said it affected my self esteem. He exploded and said here we go again you cant stay calm (I had been!) this is why my head's not in the right place. He stayed at his mums for a few days, thought we had turned a corner. He came back saying I want kids, began for the first time talking positively and talking through the practicalities (suggested moving near his parents to have their help). Said let's have a couple of months of calm and start again in the New Year. I said fab.

So we have a few weeks of calm and then a few weeks I took his hand and said I bloody adore you, when we try again in Jan can you promise me there'll be no doubts and starting and stopping? He flew off the handle saying I can't stop the pressure. He sent me links to articles about borderline personality disorder and implied I'm mentally ill! I'm not whatsoever! Im a 39 year old woman in a panic I'm missing out on kids. I said it's huge alarm bells that just a month or so before you say youll be ready to start trying for a baby, you react like this. He is putting all the balme on me (all year hes suggested I have counseling - I did - the emphasis is all about how I need to fix myself). I suggested couples counselling, and him having counselling alone to figure out what he wants, but it falls on deaf ears. He swears he wants children with me and its exhausting trying to convince me he loves me. He says his wobbles are just minor things, why can't I show him the patience and hold his hand through his little doubts.

He's now at his mothers and I've suggested a month break. I know and fully agree with him that I need to react better. I'm trying to get across to him it's a two way thing and his behaviour is sabotaging and so triggering, he needs to show me more positivity. Now weve taken a step back, I also feel worried he is (subconsciously not maliciously) gaslighting me. Trying to convince me I'm mentally ill, to project away from the fact he doesnt fully know what he wants and is afraid to commit. He barely talks about his fears of having children, and plays them down, makes out our only problem holding us back is my behaviour.

Some background on him... We've had many heart to hearts about it. He told me when he'd got his "fuck buddy" pregnant he'd known for three weeks in his early 20s (he suspects she trapped him saying she was on the pill) he was devastated. They'd gone to an abortion clinic and just before it was about to happen she ran out saying she couldn't do it. He stood by his child. For 15 years has paid maintenance and seen his son once a week. But he said he felt depressed for many years because he didn't want kids with someone he didn't love/barely knew. He resented giving up nights out staying in with the baby when his friends were all out. Said it contributed to him smoking too much weed to numb himself (something he did for over a decade, he has given it up completely since meeting me). When his son was 6, he felt bad he'd never given the mother of his child a chance romantically and they were together 18 months. He said he didnt ever fall in love with her and she pushed for moving in and they split. They are amicable enough and make it work, but there is underlying tension as she doesn't really involve him in decisions (for example, when he was 6 she was letting him wander off to the park on his own where teens where drinking and smoking, he went nuts, even now she will text him to say been to parents evening weve decided he is dropping this GCSE, so tells him stuff but wouldn't dream of having invited him to parents evening and asking his opinion - he moans about it, but arguably he could find out the date and get himself there!).

He lived with one other girl who got pregnant and had an abortion, they were together 4 years, that ended 7 years ago. She was 11 years younger, said he did love her but age difference challenging, they were volatile and she cheated on him and hed taken her back. It was a different more recent ex of his who I got chatting to in the beginning when I was trying to figure him out, who told me he had "made her" have an abortion. I asked him about it, he said they'd agreed mutually to have an abortion, she was young and studying, he felt the relationship was too volatile. I thought ok fair enough.

I don't know what to do. This has become toxic and both of us feel close to a breakdown so it can't carry on like this. As much as I want a baby, I know it wouldn't be fair to being a child right now into our relationship as it is. I don't want a child where I feel I've held a gun to his head, I only want it if it feels right and both of us are fully on board. I know how having a baby tests the strongest of relationships. I also really don't want to let him go. I feel so sad this issue is destroying a love that felt so wonderful. In between all the drama, we laugh so much and we have always been able to be super affectionate.

I've thought about leaving him and having a sperm donor. But it's not right for me a) I have zero family so would feel completely alone in it and b) I just don't want a baby for the sake of it I want that only in a loving stable family unit.

Rationally, this relationship hasn't turned out how I hoped, but at 39 I don't think it's a good idea to start again and try meet someone else to have a family with. I don't think there would be the time to bond with someone and it could be a disaster to look for a relationship when pinning my hopes and hapiness on a guy to give me my last shot at a family.

And I really love him. I'm so confused. Some days I think ok be smart, get super calm, be patient through his wobbles. You can win him round, we are close. Believe and trust him when he says he wants a child. Then I think ok get real, there have been too many red flags, he's a commitment phobe and it doesnt matter what I say or do. Happiness and all he wants could be right here and he is sabotabing it and I deserve better. I feel angry hes delaying so to ensure biology takes the decision away from us. It's really a pressure cooker also because we were in the middle of moving house, we'd spent two months finding the right place (a doerupper to renovate and make money on), viewed 40 houses. We were so excited about a business venture together. Yesterday I cancelled the house sale with our buyers. I wanted to show him I am on the brink of giving up and I hoped he would have a u turn.

If we both want the same thing like he swears, why is it so hard?! I want him back so much but I'm scared of us just repeating the same pattern. I know I can try a bit harder to give him calmness but I keep saying to him, my emotional outbursts are a symptom, I can try to do better but when the cause, his reluctance, is repeatedly coming out I can only manage that symptom not make it go away.

Have thought about IVF where we freeze our fertilized embryos and wait until things feel right. That that could take the pressure off and allow uus to have a baby only when things are right. He had said it was a great idea. I felt sad thinking it meant if he was prepared to spend £10k plus on that (money we'd have to borrow) he really is not anywhere near close to wanting a baby and so would it be a waste?

I said to him in the beginning, when I met him I was quite enjoying a child free life, and if he'd have told me he didn't want kids I think I'd have stayed with him because I really love him. But this half in half out situation is torturous.

Thoughts please. Am going crazy.

OP posts:
Louie1980 · 30/11/2019 13:18

Pippi, I do recognise I have some anxious attachment issues. Have done a lot of reading up about it and have had therapy. I have taken steps to deal with it, when I broke up with my ex at 36, despite biological clock, I deliberately spent a year being single as knew I needed that. Insecure attached people can change their attachment style with work (which I've done) but also they need to be with a securely attached person and they can behave secure themselves (I wasnt intense in my secure 18 yr relationship). Thing is I am triggered in this one, and it's very challenging to stop anxious behavuor when there's actual real reasons for insecurity. So yeah, maybe this isn't the right relationship for me.

OP posts:
Ticketyboop · 30/11/2019 13:21

Having a child on your own is not something to be taken lightly. It can be amazing, but also so hard if you have no support. Could you satisfy your deep longing for kids in some other way?

rottiemum88 · 30/11/2019 13:22

OP I can sense the desperation in your post, but just reading it was a massive headache so I imagine for your DP things have felt very intense. I actually disagree with others who say he absolutely doesn't want a baby with you, I think it just sounds like you've made it the be all and end all of life and that pressure has scared him off. Perhaps idealistically he's hoping you'll go back to being more like you were before the subject of having babies came up because he could see himself having a baby with that person. But in reality you're now in a destructive spiral that will prevent that ever happening. In your shoes I'd accept this is the reality now and move on. Good luck Thanks

HowToBeAWoman · 30/11/2019 13:22

He is entitled to not want children or to be unsure about it. But he is totally messing you about over this and it’s extremely unfair on you. You’re 39 with potential fertility issues. There is no ‘later’ or ‘in future’ for you. It’s got to be now,

I honestly think you need to walk away from this man before you are very badly hurt by this situation. Call me cynical, but I have seen this situation play out several times before and it inevitably ends up with the relationship eventually breaking down and the guy getting together with a younger woman and having children. A horrible situation for the woman left single and too old to have a baby.

ysmaem · 30/11/2019 13:24

It's very clear from your post he doesn't want children but is still trying to keep you happy by saying maybe and that in turn is very cruel thing to do on his part. It would be kinder and respectful to just be completely honest and clear with you and just say no. You're 39 and unfortunately time is running out OP, stop wasting it trying to conceive someone who doesn't want kids to change their minds, cause he wont, and think about yourself and other options to become a mother. Good luck OP

HappyHedgehog247 · 30/11/2019 13:24

I saw your later post that you would choose a child free life over this relationship. Are you sure?

I would suggest some individual counselling to help you with coming to peace with your decision if so and some couple counselling to talk it through. In the meantime you could get a fertility check and explore egg freezing which is better than doing nothing.

How would you feel if you don’t have a child and then the relationship ends anyway?

Lolichi · 30/11/2019 13:25

If you really want a child - and not just a child with this guy - then please either get a referral for IVF or to freeze your eggs. I waited for the “love of my life” to come around to the idea of having a child and I’m now about to hit 50, childless and single. Please don’t be me,

Snufflesdog · 30/11/2019 13:27

You say you love him
But why?

He is dangling a carrot which is cruel
He is telling you that he thinks you have borderline personality disorder

For a while you split up about once a month
He’s gone back to his mums now. Rather than be with you and work through this
He is barely involved in his 15 year olds life - paying legally required maintenance, seeing a child once a week and complaining about all the nights out he’s missing whilst blaming her for tricking him (did he wear a condom or just have unprotected sex with a random woman with no condom then blame her?) and also blaming the child’s mother for his lack of involvement, is NOT ‘standing by your child’

You’re worried he is gaslighting you. He is.

Will he leave every time things get tough?

Is his IQ incredibly low if he’s unaware that a 39 year old woman with health issues cannot just keep waiting?

You will be a single mum if you get pregnant to this man

Berryjam · 30/11/2019 13:27

Just don't get pregnant. He'll resent you and it will end the relationship. Either go to a soerm donor or accept he doesn't want kids or find someone who does.

ballsdeep · 30/11/2019 13:28

He's bit going to have a baby with you. He is waiting for you to expire I think, keeping dangling the carrot until you are unable to conceive.
Leave him. Even reading that op was chaotic. Have a child on your own, at least it will be wanted

JohnnyCash22 · 30/11/2019 13:28

Babies and children really are hard work, your DP is correct, and a lifelong, intensive commitment. The pressure it would put on your already rocky relationship would be enormous and I suspect he'd end up resenting you and leaving. I'm sorry you feel so much pain and desperation, but you need to look at his actions rather than what he says trying to keep you on side.

Greysparkles · 30/11/2019 13:29

I don't think you want a baby with him. You just want a baby, and he can probably sense that. The way you write its like you constantly on at him about it! From 8 months in! That's crazy.

Cacklingmags · 30/11/2019 13:29

This man does not want children and is going to some unpleasant lengths to ensure it does not happen. He lays down the law that he will only consider having a child if you are 'calm'. Then he deliberately upsets you so that he can say - well you are not 'calm' enough to have a child with. Frankly he sounds like a selfish wanker. You want a kid - go and do it, stop letting his bloke drive you crazy with his withholding.

TowelNumber42 · 30/11/2019 13:36

It is obvious that you will not be happy with a childfree life. It drips from every sentence. Your anxiety is being fuelled by lying to yourself and trying to hide from truths.

He does not want more children.

You do want children.

At 39 with health issues that affect fertility you will almost certainly have to be a single mother.

You will always resent him for not wanting to have children. You'll start to resent his child too. This relationship is done.

SchnitzelVonKrumm · 30/11/2019 13:39

He doesn't want a child, or at least doesn't want a child with you. Hard to hear I know but there it is.

argueifnecessary · 30/11/2019 13:42

Just go ahead and do it alone. Do you have friends that could potentially help (even emotionally)? Plus you could be a part of a baby group and perhaps meet a person later. You are 39, don't wait. I know people are different but having children is the best thing ever. It makes you whole. I just look at my kids and that's all I need to feel joy. It's not easy. It never is but without trying to sound cheesy, the love makes up for the difficulties. This in not to say that you can't be happy without a child. Just speaking from my experience, it made me whole.

Elieza · 30/11/2019 13:42

OP I’m really sorry but if you were on about babies all the time (and monthly for the first six months we lived together) I’d be demented too.

He’s not interested.

Either accept that or leave him and decide what you want to do about pregnancy now, as the clock is ticking. Do you still have regular periods longer than three days? You may not even be able to have a baby. There’s more to life than them though. You can be happy without a baby. Plenty are. But plenty are not as they really really want one. Is there some other reason from a bad childhood that you want a baby? Anything counselling could help with?

Sorry you are going through this op

firsttimebuyer20 · 30/11/2019 13:56

'Or you day not a word about anything (since apparently it's your insecurities and outbursts that are making him not want to try to a baby now - hmm), have sex around the right time, try to get pregnant etc.'

Fucking hell, don't follow @Sandals19 advice Confused
It's hard having a baby with someone who really wants one with you, can't imagine how difficult it is having a baby with someone who doesn't want one.

Goldenchildsmum · 30/11/2019 13:57

You say that you don't want to have a child on your own. But coercing a man into providing his sperm WILL mean that ultimately you'll be a single mum

Chocmallows · 30/11/2019 14:06

This relationship is going to stop you from seeking a better life, with or without children. Better to end it now and see what options you have for happiness elsewhere rather than being with someone who is keeping you dangling.

AcrossthePond55 · 30/11/2019 14:10

He loves you, but he does NOT want a child with you. He's lying to keep you hanging on hoping that nature will take care of 'the problem'.
That's it in a nutshell.

You have a decision to make. The man or a baby. I suggest you take some time and make that decision. You have very little time to waste if you really want a child. But I'd never choose a man over having a child. Never, even if I had to go it alone.

gonewiththerain · 30/11/2019 14:16

I think his half promising is making it much harder for you to make a decision because it’s keeping you on a string constantly.
You’ve either got to go it alone or find another relationship where he also wants to start a family very soon

AnneLovesGilbert · 30/11/2019 14:22

This isn’t any sort of relationship to bring an innocent baby into even if he was on board. Yes he’s been flip flopping but upon behaviour has been appalling. You can’t go around breaking up once a month, screaming and shouting till 5 in the morning then abusing him via his phone. If this wasn’t about having a baby which apparently seems to excuse it I think people would be telling you to leave him for his sake and get some serious help for yours.

It’s shit for you that it’s taken till now to want children and that you may have fertility issues but you’re totally out of control and the dynamic between you is awful. None of what you describe is remotely normal, healthy or desirable.

Iggi999 · 30/11/2019 14:23

This is a carcrash of a relationship.
You didn't discuss children for 8 months and he knew you had been in a LTR for 18 years, without ever trying to conceive. He probably thinks he's been sold a pig in a poke. Neither of you sound happy you can't just keep arguing all the time.

Treacletoots · 30/11/2019 14:28

Freeze your eggs and move on, to someone who wants more children. Very simple solution. Much harder in RL.

However, I think you're the cause of the friction because you're just trying to change him into something he is not. If you want him, he does not come with a baby. Your call.

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