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Reconciliation after estrangement?

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Albinoni · 30/11/2019 10:39

I have NC'd for this but have posted in the past about my relationship with DD1 and was grateful for the advice and support which I received. The posts have since been deleted, at my request, but some of you may remember 'Lobster Boy', and my concerns that DD was in a controlling relationship and that I risked losing her.

Unfortunately, my fears were justified as DD seemed to become more and more withdrawn from the family, saying that her BF was her family now. She ghosted all of the family entirely for six months - apparently she just blocked us all - then there were occasional calls and she did send birthday cards etc. She moved house without providing an address and we didn't see her for two and a half years. I cannot begin to describe how painful that period was for me and DH and her sisters, but those of you who have been through this process of living bereavement will understand.

Anyway, the good news is that there has been a reconciliation following a lunch on neutral ground, in a restaurant, earlier this year (she lives hundreds of miles away from us). Prior to that, she had provided her address, so that we could send some books to her which are relevant to a course which she is intending to take next year. At the lunch, she said that they had married the previous year, and we said how pleased we were, and contact continued to improve.

The following month they asked if they could borrow some money to put towards buying a property and we agreed. Shortly after that, DD told me she was expecting a baby (due any day now), which I was overjoyed about. Then, a few weeks after that - and this is the part I am really struggling with - we received a letter from DD and SIL enclosing photos of the 14 month old which they already had. The accompanying letter was quite upsetting as it said they hadn't told us about DGC because they didn't want her to experience broken relationships and they hadn't been sure whether or not they wanted us involved at all, but they felt guilty at taking our money and not telling us about DGC.

DD and I subsequently had an emotional conversation and, since then, DD has been in contact with me virtually every day with messages and photos and is behaving almost as though nothing has happened. She says I can't think about the past or what I have missed and clearly wants to move forward. I know that she is right in that we cannot change the past and she assures me that she definitely does want us to be involved.

But I am in such turmoil over this. Obviously I am thrilled and excited about the reconciliation and the DGC, but I feel so desperately hurt and upset that she didn't tell any of us about all of these things, especially as I believed that we were close before. I am really struggling, to be honest, although it's early days and there is a lot to come to terms with.

We haven't met DGC1 yet as I think we both felt that it would be better to wait for the baby to be born and then meet them both together, when the emotions have died down a bit. The last thing I want to do is cause her any stress at this time and I sense that they are anxious at our meeting her PILs for the first time. I am also anxious about it, although they sound like lovely people and have been very supportive to DD. But goodness knows what they must think of us. I am also worried about becoming attached to the DGC in case they are taken away from me. I just couldn't put myself through all that again.

So I was wondering if anyone could give me advice if you have been in a similar situation. How easy was it to reconcile? Did the whole family reconcile or was it a piecemeal process? Did you involve any professional help, such as a counsellor or family mediator? Has it worked out? Are things the same and can the relationship ever really recover or is it just different? I really don't want to mess this up, as I have realised how fragile relationships can be, but I am feeling a bit overwhelmed.

OP posts:
springydaff · 04/03/2020 13:41

Would he even let her get on the train to you?

Parsley1234 · 04/03/2020 13:44

Thinking of you ❤️❤️❤️

Theluggagerules · 04/03/2020 18:21

Thinking of you. My mum is ill and because of that I've rearranged things so we are close by. If I'd still been away I'd have travelled back asap. I think you have to stay positive and hold tight to the caring/loving relationships you have with the people who have been around. As you focus on important matters, let the rest go. There will be time later to deal with them.

mcmooberry · 04/03/2020 20:30

Thinking of you all. Your trip has suddenly crept up it seems. My impression is that the power is likely to have shifted - your terror of your beloved DH being seriously ill has reduced the anguish and importance of the estrangement in the face of a potentially greater distress.
Hopefully it will mean you can enjoy the trip and meeting your DGDs knowing that they don't hold all the cards so you can be yourself and not a person on eggshells behaving falsely in case you cause offence. I hope to goodness they don't start banging on about money or it will be hard to be responsible for your actions.
I join everyone in hoping that the biopsy results for the neck mass do not worsen his prognosis and that you and your DH have a joyful time meeting your DGDs.

itsallthedramaMickiloveit · 05/03/2020 17:10

I don't remember when in March the visit was arranged.
But I really do hope you have a fantastic Time.
If anyone has ever deserved a break and some happiness it's you @Albinoni

Grohnjant · 05/03/2020 17:14

Afternoon Albinoni
Hope you had a lovely lunch with your friends yesterday and that you and DH are enjoying DD3’s company. 💐 💐 💐

billybagpuss · 06/03/2020 05:14

I don't remember when in March the visit was arranged

It’s next week. Thinking of you albinoni and hope you have a peaceful weekend.

RAOK · 06/03/2020 06:31

I am so sorry to hear the news about your husband. I hope you are all managing to stay strong and positive as best you can.

Your marriage sounds amazing and your eldest daughter must know that her relationship is not right when she compares it to the strong and happy marriage you have modelled for her throughout her childhood and beyond.

I hope this very sad situation makes her take a long hard look at herself and modify her behaviour from here. It is not too late for her to do the right things.

Albinoni · 06/03/2020 07:28

Thank you everyone for your kindness and supportive posts. I am ok, but I often wake up in the night, which is my time for a private cry.

DD2 is now here now as well as DD3. We had a happy evening last night, eating a takeaway and putting old records on the gramophone. Today we are all going on a trip to the seaside - making happy memories, although obviously I am hoping and praying that there will be many more.

Gutterton - you are right, I am getting more anxious as the trip to see DD1 grows closer. Today will be fine and I suspect tomorrow will be too, but I always find Sundays difficult for some reason. We will spend most of Monday travelling, see DD1 on Tuesday and Wednesday, and travel back on Thursday.

I want this to be a special visit for DH, but I don't have much emotional energy to spare at present and I don't want to be away from home and proximity to hospital. The oncologist has just offered chemotherapy and nothing more, which only has a third chance of success, so I want to have the time to seek a second opinion, but it all needs to be done quickly, and we are losing four working days by visiting DD1. But DH is determined to go.

It is much better now that messages from DD1 don't flash up. Yesterday, she sent a photo of a text book, written by Boris Johnson, which is relevant to her course. However, this morning I have found a petition which she sent me late last night, apparently for me to sign, to press for release of the 'Home Office's Grooming Gang Review' which identifies the 'characteristics' of 'grooming gangs'. How can she think that I can possibly be interested in this at the present time? It has quite upset me, to be honest. I suppose I should just ignore it, but I am really dreading having any sort of political discussion when we are there. She and LB both espouse far right wing, racist views and I hate the idea of the DGDs growing up like that. Hopefully, they will be like most DCs and grow up to think for themselves. I just can't fathom DD1's thinking, I really can't. She is literally a stranger to me at present.

Bottom line, I don't want to go on this trip. I feel quite emotionally volatile, and I feel that I could be triggered quite easily, which could make things worse. Perhaps we can just have a couple of hours together each day and it will be ok. It has to be ok, for DH's sake. I just want it to be over.

Anyway, I am now blocking out those thoughts for the day, adopting a positive frame of mind, and concentrating on our trip to the seaside.

OP posts:
itsallthedramaMickiloveit · 06/03/2020 08:12

Can you trim the trip down?

Grohnjant · 06/03/2020 08:39

Sounds like DD 1 has completely lost any grip on reality. She is so wrapped up in her own world. I think she is probably incapable of true empathy at the moment .

I would ignore her recent messages. I wonder if the photo of the text book was a hint that she wanted you to buy it for her. Hope not !

Is the trip this Monday ?

Maybe you could just “play it by ear” and leave on the Wednesday and that would hopefully give you some time to seek a second opinion. Just say DH is feeling tired, not that you need to make excuses

You’ll easily be able to steer the conversation away from any thing political especially with the DGD s there so I would worry about that .

Hope you have a lovely day at the seaside . It’s sunny here , hope it is with you too.

Sending love

Xxxxx

Grohnjant · 06/03/2020 09:02

That was meant to be “would not worry about that” obviously . Xx

Gutterton · 06/03/2020 09:12

Those messages are absolutely shocking.

They tell you what THEIR priorities are right now.

However maybe look at it as an early warning signal - it is much much worse than you think with LB and your DD1.

I don’t think you will be triggered as you will see the absolute lunacy of their lives.

champagneandfromage50 · 06/03/2020 11:32

Sadly your DD1 recent messages shows how far removed she is from your core family unit. You, DH and DD2 and DD3 are pulling together in shock from the recent diagnosis. Your doing things as a family unit.

DD1 is no longer part of that, to send a stupid petition really shows she is emotionally disconnected......i am shocked as someone who has been going through the same over the past year.

Gutterton · 06/03/2020 12:02

I would see the BJ book as a prompt / testing the water to make sure that you know that the money “for the course” is still the only reason you are allowed to visit and that your poor DHs diagnosis isn’t relevant in their lives.

The petition again looks to me to be v goady - setting you up to refuse or to agitate you - so that you are on the back foot and he can paint you as uncooperative to DD1.

But you won’t fall into his traps because you know he is v mentally unwell. Look over and above him, his games are predictable and you will not rise to his bait and get into a political discussion with a mad man.

You are only doing this visit for your DH. You have more than enough love and respect for him to remain calm and untriggered so that his wishes are met.

You are not volatile - you are being gaslighted and goaded and emotionally abused by a v dangerous unhinged man. Ordinarily you would turn your back and take yourself out of punching distance - that is physically what your body is screaming at you to do - but you have chosen to walk this mile with dignity and grace for your DH.

It’s a huge sacrifice and a massive challenge but you have enough love, power, knowledge and strength to pull you through. Know that. His goading isn’t bigger than this loving act you are doing for DH.

Any chance your DD2 or DD3 could accompany you - to support you? They don’t even need to meet with DD1 or she doesn’t even need to know they are in town.

Just thinking of the support you need to get you through - so that it all goes well for your DH.

springydaff · 06/03/2020 14:23

I didn't read it that she was being goady to send the petition, more that she was sharing her life with you. Yy it's a wacky, disgusted life but her life nonetheless. Also perhaps to take your mind off what's been going on..

She is removed, though. She's in the equivalent of a cult and will have a limited world view. She has been fed a 2D version of you by the cult leader for many years. I can see how she wouldn't quite 'get' the magnitude of what's going on, how you may be feeling.

I wonder, also, if your replies to her comms about her dad have been sparse, or at least not sharing with her your turmoil (understandably). She may take that as you're OK with everything, steady (especially if you have always been the steady oak in the past?). Just a thought.

springydaff · 06/03/2020 14:24

Disordered life not disgusted life!

springydaff · 06/03/2020 14:27

Interesting how she's taken up with a campaign against grooming when she's a victim of that very thing herself..

RandomMess · 06/03/2020 14:29

@springydaff that was my first thought...

Herocomplex · 06/03/2020 14:42

This sounds horrendous, I’m so sorry.

The thing that strikes me is that neither of them are working and they’re asking you for money. I’m guessing whatever you give will never be enough. You’re allowed to have boundaries too.

MondayTuesdayWednesday · 06/03/2020 16:23

Wishing you the very best for the trip and I hope that it turns into something positive for your family as you have enough to deal with at this time.

Okki · 06/03/2020 20:54

Wishing you all the very best for your visit next week.

I would like to second springydaff's take on the last messages. I have been in the situation where my DFather was diagnosed with cancer, living far from me and I didn't go home straight away. When you rarely see a close family member and don't have involved comms with them for extended periods you don't necessarily appreciate/ understand the situation. It's not that you don't understand the gravity of the diagnosis (we all have google after all), it's just really hard to understand the situation when you aren't involved on a daily basis. As callous as this may sound, DD1's daily life hasn't been thrown into any upheaval so she won't have the same take on it as the rest of you who are living with it. She can take five mins to have a cry or moment of reflection and then carry on with what she is needing to do that day

I had many reasons for not going home, one of them being that text messages and the odd Skype didn't communicate the situation as well as face to face did. I also had young children and couldn't just leave. When your DD sees both of you, sees the tiredness and pain etched in your eyes and faces, she'll see something that she doesn't currently.

None of that takes away from the despicable way in which you've been treated, I just wanted to try and give you a potential alternative to the seeming thoughtlessness behind those last messages.

RandomMess · 06/03/2020 21:05

It has been very easy for DD1 to remain emotionally detached because she was already and probably doesn't grasp how poor DH diagnosis appears to be and how strenuous the treatment it is physically and emotionally.

Thanks
Gutterton · 06/03/2020 21:30

outofthefog.website/top-100-trait-blog/2015/11/4/grooming

This is an interesting insight. I doubt she is actually operating within a “normal” emotional range. It will be v narrow and numb so as not to aggravate him and bump up against his irrational paranoid redlines.

I believe LB sends every communication.

On the visit maybe being in the background and letting your DH lead would be easier as I think LB targets you - seeing you as the threat. I would not rise to any words or bait and would expect to be messed around - times changed at the last minute, things cut short etc.

I would try to manage your DH expectations so that he isn’t hurt by any of their actions on the visit. And I would make sure to communicate without words to your DD out of LB sight line - a tight squeeze of the hand, holding her gaze so she knows you know.

springydaff · 07/03/2020 00:36

Also, aside from her being in a cult bubble, if you've never been around anyone who has had cancer, you genuinely don't quite know what it entails. I didn't know until I had cancer! The nurses were shocked that I'd never had anyone close with cancer and treatment. (I obviously knew it wasn't pleasant and could be frightening, of course, but I didn't actually know until I experienced it iyswim).

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