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Reconciliation after estrangement?

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Albinoni · 30/11/2019 10:39

I have NC'd for this but have posted in the past about my relationship with DD1 and was grateful for the advice and support which I received. The posts have since been deleted, at my request, but some of you may remember 'Lobster Boy', and my concerns that DD was in a controlling relationship and that I risked losing her.

Unfortunately, my fears were justified as DD seemed to become more and more withdrawn from the family, saying that her BF was her family now. She ghosted all of the family entirely for six months - apparently she just blocked us all - then there were occasional calls and she did send birthday cards etc. She moved house without providing an address and we didn't see her for two and a half years. I cannot begin to describe how painful that period was for me and DH and her sisters, but those of you who have been through this process of living bereavement will understand.

Anyway, the good news is that there has been a reconciliation following a lunch on neutral ground, in a restaurant, earlier this year (she lives hundreds of miles away from us). Prior to that, she had provided her address, so that we could send some books to her which are relevant to a course which she is intending to take next year. At the lunch, she said that they had married the previous year, and we said how pleased we were, and contact continued to improve.

The following month they asked if they could borrow some money to put towards buying a property and we agreed. Shortly after that, DD told me she was expecting a baby (due any day now), which I was overjoyed about. Then, a few weeks after that - and this is the part I am really struggling with - we received a letter from DD and SIL enclosing photos of the 14 month old which they already had. The accompanying letter was quite upsetting as it said they hadn't told us about DGC because they didn't want her to experience broken relationships and they hadn't been sure whether or not they wanted us involved at all, but they felt guilty at taking our money and not telling us about DGC.

DD and I subsequently had an emotional conversation and, since then, DD has been in contact with me virtually every day with messages and photos and is behaving almost as though nothing has happened. She says I can't think about the past or what I have missed and clearly wants to move forward. I know that she is right in that we cannot change the past and she assures me that she definitely does want us to be involved.

But I am in such turmoil over this. Obviously I am thrilled and excited about the reconciliation and the DGC, but I feel so desperately hurt and upset that she didn't tell any of us about all of these things, especially as I believed that we were close before. I am really struggling, to be honest, although it's early days and there is a lot to come to terms with.

We haven't met DGC1 yet as I think we both felt that it would be better to wait for the baby to be born and then meet them both together, when the emotions have died down a bit. The last thing I want to do is cause her any stress at this time and I sense that they are anxious at our meeting her PILs for the first time. I am also anxious about it, although they sound like lovely people and have been very supportive to DD. But goodness knows what they must think of us. I am also worried about becoming attached to the DGC in case they are taken away from me. I just couldn't put myself through all that again.

So I was wondering if anyone could give me advice if you have been in a similar situation. How easy was it to reconcile? Did the whole family reconcile or was it a piecemeal process? Did you involve any professional help, such as a counsellor or family mediator? Has it worked out? Are things the same and can the relationship ever really recover or is it just different? I really don't want to mess this up, as I have realised how fragile relationships can be, but I am feeling a bit overwhelmed.

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beanaseireann · 08/02/2020 08:36

Albinoni
Hoping for the best possible outcome for your dh.Thanks
It really sounds like your dd1 has been controlled by LB but when the chips are down, her true nice character is desperately trying to get out.

Grohnjant · 08/02/2020 08:57

Sometimes good things come out of bad don’t they ? It really does sound as though DD 1 is desperate to reconnect properly now. Hopefully that will happen.

I had cancer nearly 4 years ago and I found the time between getting the diagnosis and getting the plan for treatment is the worst. Hopefully once you have a way forward things will be bit clearer

DH sounds like he is being very strong , so lucky that he has you on his side but please remember to look after yourself too.

Sending every good wish to you and your DH xxxx

Gutterton · 08/02/2020 13:42

It is so sad for you to reflect on all of the things your DH and you have missed out on to date due to LB - events, wedding, birth of DGDs - but more so what a total waste of time and love that has passed and can’t be given again.

DD1 reaction is “promising” - sounds like she is “softening” ...

.....BUT - this is even more of a wake up call that EVERYTHING you do is about your DH now and your other DDs.

You are correct LB will be fantasying about cackling all the way to the bank.

You need to call the shots now. TELL your DD that your DH is ill and SHE and the DGDs need to come to see him. I would also consider saying that you are not in a position now to dish out money - you have no idea how the next 5 years will pan out.

You know that with the tax free bursaries, rental from two mortgage free properties and him bothering to work for the first time in his life (he must be mid/late 20’s) - that there is more than ample money already.

I would take this opportunity to put the brakes on them - to test your DDs loyalty and moral compass - tell her that the focus is on your DH for the next few years - which is entirely reasonable and let LB behave shockingly so that she knows it’s him.

So sorry that this has landed in your life but if you can focus 100% on getting emotional support so that you can be 100% present and supportive for your DH and other DDs....not preoccupied, drained and emotionally injured by the antics of LB.

ddraigygoch · 08/02/2020 14:39

She's still pretty selfish.

Not can we come to you now?
But are you still coming to me in the future.

SirVixofVixHall · 08/02/2020 14:49

As ever I agree with Gutterton
I also think your Dd knows deep down that she has been treating you all terribly, but doesn’t want to have to face it.

billybagpuss · 08/02/2020 17:31

Such a bitter sweet update Albinoni, I really hope things start to improve between you now and wishing you all the positive thoughts in the world for the next week. One day at a time.

I can now understand why your DH was so keen to go ahead with the meeting in March, it would be good if she could now come to you (the feeling of home would be good too)

springydaff · 08/02/2020 19:46

Try not to think about LB's dastardly ways - you've enough to be thinking about today! Ime life has a way of panning out in ways we couldn't imagine, turning our fears to dust. I know your fears about dd1 and LB have been realised but you really don't know what will happen in the future. Focus on today.

I remember a similar family crisis and my husband reacting and behaving in a very odd way. It was really jarring, desperately inappropriate. At the time I thought he couldn't handle what was happening, hence deeply inappropriate behaviour and, particularly, words. I brushed it away at the time but it went into my memory bank and was very useful later when the spell began to break.

Everyone takes a back seat now and dd1 will understand this in her guts : she is responding in the deeply ingrained family way to a crisis in her family, the family she grew up in and was formed by for years, particularly formative years. Its heartening how crisis brings deeply buried things into sharp focus. All to the good. There will be a jarring for her and I think this could be the litmus that initiates an internal questioning in her.

All this happens glacially slowly though. It looks like nothing is happening - but take heart, it is. The truth has a way of working to the surface (you just have to bloody wait for it!).

I'm so sorry you're facing this with DH. I do hope the prognosis is good 💐

5LeafClover · 08/02/2020 20:00

💐💐💐 sending you Dh and dd2 and 3 very best wishes. Agree with Guttertons post.

Albinoni · 08/02/2020 21:17

Thanks everyone.

I feel numb, then sick, then normal, as though nothing has happened (because, in a way, it hasn't yet - everything is the same yet it isn't and it won't be), then waves of pain crash over me. But I can't let DH see it - I need to be positive, for him and for DDs 2 and 3.

DH is the love of my life. We literally fell in love at first sight, got engaged on our third date - he would have asked me on our first date but thought it was too soon, but I would have said yes - married for 32 years. So happy. It's as though everything I love is taken away from me.

I am sorry for the self- pity - this hasn't been a very cheerful thread has it? And you are right that LB is an irrelevance really. I don't care about it any more. Just dreading what the week ahead holds, but it is an aggressive form of cancer and even the best outcome will not be good and will involve a lot of painful treatment. I can't bear seeing him suffer. It's like a nightmare and I keep thinking I will wake up, or I go to sleep and wake up, and then I remember.

DH cooked a wonderful dinner tonight but could hardly eat it. He and DD2 and I are watching Zulu, one of his favourite films. We had literally just booked to go to South Africa later this year, a dream trip which we had been planning for years (his mum was born there), and we have so many other things planned. DDs 2 and 3 bought him tickets to a Santana concert at the end of March, his favourite, for his Christmas present. He is saying he wants to do everything but, in reality, he knows he won't. We are just trying to be normal, to think that we need to maximise the joy as much as we can, clinging to each other.

I felt anger and sorrow at the missed opportunities, of the pain she has caused DH, and all of us, but that has largely dissipated now. I don't have the energy for it anymore. Whatever happened, DH and I said as long as we have our health and each other, nothing else matters.....he has always been there for me and the DDS, always, and I can't bear the thought of his not being here. DD2 said the same today, but we mustn't grieve him before he has gone and, you never know, he might be one of the lucky ones who beats the odds.

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springydaff · 08/02/2020 22:58

There's a great difference between self-pity and sorrow, grief, lament. All those are normal, even healthy (even self pity is healthy is short bursts!). You haven't been at all self-pitying on this thread, not once.

I know it's the uncertainty, the not knowing, that is fucking hard. Thinking of you ❤️

candative · 08/02/2020 23:19

@Albinoni I am so sorry about your DH's diagnosis. The worst news, I can't begin to imagine how you all feel. In the coming months your priority will be your DH. That's as it should be. As a pp said, your DD1 should now be making efforts to come to you and bring the grandchildren to see him - ASAP and often.

SirVixofVixHall · 08/02/2020 23:38

What a frightening time, after so much grief and anxiety. I am hoping very much that your DH swiftly gets through whatever treatment lies ahead, and that the prognosis is good.
I wish there was something I could do to help, even in a small way. You have been through such an ordeal with your dd and losing your Mum, plus all the other traumatic events, I am so terribly sorry that now your DH is so unwell.

Fretfulparent · 09/02/2020 16:29

I am so sorry to hear your news. Such a shock and massive change of focus.

I agree with a previous poster that I would hope DD1 would be arranging to come to see her dad asap.
💐

mcmooberry · 09/02/2020 18:03

Thank you for the update @Albinoni, I was reluctant to post again as you are so polite I didn't want replying and thanking people on this thread to become another chore for you. I totally understand your terror for the future, what your DH will have to endure and whether anything can ever be normal again. You are absolutely mindful of not adding to his fears by expressing your own so please feel you can come here and we will listen and try to help in any way we can.
Hope the meeting with the specialist gives some hope of effective treatment for the type of cancer he has and having a treatment plan brings an end to this waiting torment. Thinking of you all. X

strawberry2017 · 11/02/2020 10:27

Sending you all lots of love and strength. Keeping you all in my prayers xx

billybagpuss · 11/02/2020 12:54

Hope your week is going well @Albinoni and that you're still able to do South Africa.

MondayTuesdayWednesday · 11/02/2020 14:22

Wishing you and your family the very best over the next while @Albinoni

It must be difficult but please look after yourself and focus on your DH and other daughters. If anything, DD1 should be suggesting that she come and see you now at this difficult time but she is still thinking about herself.

Your posts are not self pitying in any way. You are going through a really difficult time and it is good to have an outlet to let of steam so please post what you like when you like!

Gutterton · 11/02/2020 14:34

Thinking of you and your lovely DH and DDs this week. I hope that you get some good news. X

Albinoni · 11/02/2020 15:16

Thank you so much everyone for your support. I really appreciate it.

So, after an agonising week of waiting - the longest and the worst week of my life - we had the hospital meeting today to discuss the results. The good news is that the cancer has not spread, so should be treatable. I can't tell you what a relief that is. I know that it is still going to be a difficult time ahead, but today I feel emotionally drained but joyful.

This has put everything in perspective, including, I believe, with DD1, who has been in touch every day asking for updates. She has been researching it all to the extent where she has even been suggesting special diets to help with the chemo etc. I really think that this has been a big wake up call for her, so maybe something good will come out of this horrible situation. I rang to update her this morning and there was no doubting the heartfelt relief that things were as good as they can be.

DD2 was overjoyed and we are having a special dinner tonight. I know we are by no means out of the woods but, as DD2 says, you have to celebrate your battles. DD3 was in touch this morning and very supportive, but I haven't been able to speak to her yet, as she is at uni, although I have messaged her.

This thread has veered off into all sorts of directions, but today is a good day and thanks again to you all for the wonderful support.

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Gutterton · 11/02/2020 15:26

That is the best possible news - so delighted and relieved for you all. Wonderful.

Okki · 11/02/2020 16:05

That's really good news. Enjoy your dinner.

Grohnjant · 11/02/2020 16:06

Such good news Albinoni . What a relief for you all. You are right it certainly puts everything into perspective when you have to face something as terrifying as this .

Hope you all enjoy your special meal tonight .

Hope DHs treatment goes smoothly.

Sending you all love and best wishes x

RandomMess · 11/02/2020 16:40

Such great news. We are here for you for the good and not so good moments ahead Thanks

Ghostontoast · 11/02/2020 16:45

That’s good news.
Flowers

NettleTea · 11/02/2020 17:17

Thats wonderful news.