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What would you do? Head is reeling.

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SirChing · 10/11/2019 16:02

I have been seeing a guy for just over a month. We have talked about allsorts and have got very close. We have spent several whole weekends together, had a lovely time.

We have laughed a lot, the sex is amazing, there has been no game playing, it hasn't been hard work. It has been fabulous. We have so much in common and have grown very close very quickly.

He has told me all about his exes. He hasn't said a bad word about any of them, but in my opinion, he has been treated pretty appallingly: been cheated on and all sorts.

Last night, he decided to tell me something that had happened to him years ago. He split up with his girlfriend. After a few months, she contacted him and asked him if they could try again. He said no. She then told him that she had become pregnant and had aborted his baby.

This resulted in him feeling so guilty at not being there for her, he feels he let her down and let down the baby too as he would have wanted the child.

I explained to him that he hadn't let anyone down. He didn't know she was pregnant, she made the choice herself and he is in no way responsible for something he didn't know about.

He was sobbing his heart out in my arms. He has never told anyone about this. It has made him wary in relationships as he is scared of something bad happening. This means he keeps his guard up for a long time, which makes sense to me.

Today, he doesn't know if he wants us to be together any more. He says that because I know what happened, me knowing makes it more "real" and he doesn't know if he can handle that, when he had put what happened in a box and locked it away in his memory.

He is also scared that he is developing feelings for me, and he wants the happy ever after, but is scared of both being hurt again, and also hurting me. He hates that his barriers mean that it takes him a long time to fall for someone, due to his fear of getting hurt, and he doesnt want to hurt me by me falling for him and him not being able to reciprocate as quickly, due to how he is.

I understand his point of view completely, and I don't mind if we feel things at different speeds. I think he is throwing the baby out with the bathwater to give up what he freely admits is an amazing relationship.

He has gone home to have a think about what he wants to do, and to get his head straight. He has never properly grieved for the baby and all his feelings about it have come bursting out.

I am not sure what I am asking, except what would be your response to all this? If you have read this far, you are a Saint and thank you!

OP posts:
picklemepopcorn · 10/11/2019 16:37

People are worried he's priming you for an abusive relationship- testing you to see if you'll stand being messed about.

One month in and actually, you don't know he's a decent guy. You know he's been able to act like one so far.

Sorry to be so wary!

I don't believe his ex's story, but he does, so that's neither here nor there. I'd give him space- don't chase him though. That way madness lies!

MarianaMoatedGrange · 10/11/2019 16:37

I feel so bad for him

That is his intention. He can now be as flaky as he likes with you, while you sit waiting patiently to hold his hand through his dramas.

Theendofmyrope · 10/11/2019 16:38

I know he would support my choices and help me through it

You dont know that... you've known him a month. I think you need to throttle back OP. You are heavily over invested in this and not in a healthy way.

Candle1000 · 10/11/2019 16:38

I bet he’s an emotional abuser , having been with one myself, I can see the signs .

Singletomingle · 10/11/2019 16:39

It does happen and men do have bad relationships too. It does sound very early in a relationship to be so open but again it does happen. I think virtually all the posters are being overly harsh.

BrassTactical · 10/11/2019 16:39

I worry you say you KNOW he would be there for you if you fell pregnant, you’ve known him a month, you don’t KNOW him at all sorry. You need to get your blinders off and barriers up. Join the dating thread on here, honestly it’s eye opening.

SirChing · 10/11/2019 16:41

Until last night, it hasn't been intense. It has been easy, not at all hard work, and very natural. It very much felt like the start of something which could be amazing.

And then he told me that, and spent all night crying and unable to sleep. It came up as I had mentionned that the same thing happened to a friend of mine and he was devastated. So he then told me it had happened to him too.

I agree that he is probably priming me to dump me. Because I have done nothing wrong, and it makes zero sense to be unsure about being with someone because of what you have confided in them. If he trusts me enough to be the one person he has ever told about what happened to him, then surely that should mean we are great together, and make him want to be with me more? The fact that is has had the opposite effect, is just weird to me. It means he is either so scared of confronting what happens that he will end a really good fledgling relationship for it, OR its an excuse and he is so scared of getting hurt that he is running away from me. He has repeatedly said that he can't believe how easy it is to be with me, how blissful it feels being together, how much he wants a future for us, and I felt the same. Totally. It just felt "right".

OP posts:
Mydogmylife · 10/11/2019 16:45

Personally, I think he's priming you to accept being treated badly in this relationship because he has 'issues' don't you know! A nice easy way to keep you dangling nicely while feeling flattered that you're 'the one' that he was able to tell all this to. All sounds pretty sus to me, and I'm really not normally such a cynic

MadnessInMethod · 10/11/2019 16:46

He has had LTRs since it happened and hasn't told those women. He chose to tell me because he says he finds it easy to open up to me. And that is a compliment

Oh please Hmm

He's setting you up to treat you like shit and it'll all be because of his trust/past relationship ishoos.

Today, he doesn't know if he wants us to be together any more

Of course he doesn't. Yeah this is the test. How much can he make you feel insecure/mess you around before you say nah, forget it. 4 weeks in, nobody with an ounce of self worth and self esteem could be arsed with this drama.

Tell him you agree, you don't think he's worked through his ishoos properly and you don't think he's ready for a relationship so you also don't know if you "want us to be together any more" and I'll guarantee hell change his tune - you're that special "only one" that's broken down his barriers, blah blah blah.

SirChing · 10/11/2019 16:46

Back off and try not to do this the next time you start seeing someone

Try not to do what, exactly? What have I done that's wrong? I really liked him, yes, but have been very aware this is a fledgling thing and have just been having fun and enjoying it.

So what shouldn't I have done?

Where I say that I "know" he would do X and Y, I know that sounds crazy as I can't "know" due to not knowing him long. It was more a pure gut instinct thing. And they tend to be right.

OP posts:
APerkyPumpkin · 10/11/2019 16:46

He has had LTRs since it happened and hasn't told those women. He chose to tell me because he says he finds it easy to open up to me. And that is a compliment

Oh aye, right.

ReceptacleForTheRespectable · 10/11/2019 16:47

his whole narrative is that he's this great guy who's been treated really badly by women

Yep, it all seems a bit manipulative and OTT tbh.....

12345kbm · 10/11/2019 16:49

This is what I advise you to do in this scenario. Let him do whatever it is he needs to do and get on with your life. Travel, exercise, go out with friends, cinema, pub etc etc If he comes back to you after having worked out all his (commitment) issues, then take it very slowly with him as you've already seen him scarper once. In the meantime, carry on dating other people because I believe he's a commitment-phobe. His actions say the opposite to his words.

I would never leave someone dangling that I was really into and saw a future with.

MarianaMoatedGrange · 10/11/2019 16:51

He has repeatedly said that he can't believe how easy it is to be with me, how blissful it feels being together, how much he wants a future for us

Classic love bombing. The more you write, the more most pps can see what he's up to.

thedancingbear · 10/11/2019 16:54

OP, just be aware that the default setting for this place is to say LTB, 'run a mile' etc. There's only so much you can draw from those replies. Only you were there, none of us know him, you've said yourself that things have been otherwise great. He clearly has baggage but don't we all by a certain time in our lives? You need to be clear in your own head what you're comfortable with.

pamplemousse · 10/11/2019 16:54

Op I feel your confusion because I would be in the same boat as you with this situation. I find it fascinating and frankly terrifying that people recognise a pattern in his behaviour. I fully admit that I am naive and find people hard to understand.

rvby · 10/11/2019 16:55

Yeah op the more you say, the worse it sounds.

Quietly put the car in reverse and start backing away from this one. You're absolutely right when you say hes treated you unfairly. Dont stick around because if you do, he will take it as a green light to give you crumbs from the table rather than wholeheartedly learning to love you. That will make you feel shit.

Hes set up a perfect excuse for every shitty half arsed thing he wants to be able to pull in future..it's not on.

ReceptacleForTheRespectable · 10/11/2019 16:56

He has repeatedly said that he can't believe how easy it is to be withme, how blissful it feels being together, how much he wants a futurefor us

As a pp has said, this has love bombing written all over it. You're falling for it, you even think you 'know' him after a month. You really don't.

thedancingbear · 10/11/2019 16:57

Ah, the MN ducking stool!

If he's being nasty to you: LTB
If he's being really nice to you: he's lovebombing you; LTB.

rvby · 10/11/2019 17:00

He clearly has baggage but don't we all by a certain time in our lives? yes everyone has baggage but folk who use it as an excuse to leave someone hanging in dating, are not ready to date anyone.

This guys either hasn't the skills to cope with past trauma,
Or hes manipulative.

If it's the former, op can't and shouldn't teach him that. You can't be someone's psychiatrist as well as their partner. That's how dangerously unbalanced relationships happen.

If its the latter, same result, op should back off.

Read the actions, not the words, and not the feelings that the words provoke. This guy has backed off of the op. When you're into.someone, you dont do that.

ReceptacleForTheRespectable · 10/11/2019 17:01

This guy isn't really 'being nice', though, is he? He's come out with a load of 'poor me' manipulative twaddle, and then dumped her. That's not nice.

MarianaMoatedGrange · 10/11/2019 17:03

thedancingbear OP posted for advice and opinions. She is not going to dump her BF on posters say so. She may, however, now view her BFs behaviour with a more knowledgeable eye. He is special to her, but not to us and many of us have learned by experience that these drama llama angst ridden poor me men are not all as nice as they seem, and manipulative behaviour from them far from uncommon.

rvby · 10/11/2019 17:03

If he's being really nice to you: he's lovebombing you; LTB

Being really nice = taking nice actions.
Saying nice words = not worth the paper you'd write them on.

This guys actions are not nice. Only his words have been nice.. the words he's used to make the action - that is, backing off from OP - appear to be something she should be ok with.

It's not brain surgery

SusieOwl4 · 10/11/2019 17:04

I think it sounds like he could be gaslighting you - sorry - very craftily making you feel he has been wronged by everyone else in his life . If you do proceed do so with extreme caution . red flags .

Merename · 10/11/2019 17:06

Maybe I’m naive but I don’t see this as so terrible as everyone is saying. People have big stuff under the surface. People cry and get intense. People meet people whom for whatever reason they choose to open up to.

However, in all new relationships it’s wise to be cautious, which it sounds like you are, op. Offer him space and be prepared to let go if need be, but I don’t think he’s done anything wrong by saying this is a headfuck for him and he is unsure. I think it’s honest. But just go slow and take your time to make sure that there’s not a manipulative element. Hope it works out for you.

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