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Boyfriend's wobbles trying for a baby

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sugarlips2015 · 22/10/2019 17:36

Hi

I love my boyfriend of 18 months very much, we're both 39, and been trying for a baby but he keeps having wobbles and I'm finding it unsettling (I'm childless, so feels like last chance saloon!).

We had a deleriously lovely first five months when I was thinking my god, he's the one, and he loves me too, it's all so simple! He was super keen on me, super affectionate, and I've never found someone whose company I love so much, he makes me laugh almost round the clock.

Then I found out he'd cheated on me with two women (casual sex, met one once, the other twice) within the first three months of our relationship. He told me five months in about the first because he'd given me an STI (slept with both with no condom - disgusted he could risk my health like that) and I recently found out about the second from snooping.

We were long distance at the time (I'd moved away for work a month after meeting) which was not easy with trust issues. I got anxious and insecure, and picked many fights with him and pushed him away. But we held on and moved in together after eight months.

I know he couldn't be more sorry (seen him cry and have panic attacks when I've been punishing towards him). He's stuck with me despite the ups and downs, I feel he really loves me. I believe there's been no straying since, he's been open and transparent and done everything to reassure me (well there were some lies/half truths/ommissions along the way, but he came clean, has his phone, social media open etc). I do think he's a good egg (he's not a good liar) who made a mistake. (I've questioned his self control though, he got his 'fuck buddy' pregnant he'd known for three weeks, they have a teenager, and he's gone through life not using condoms having casual sex as they make him lose his erection?!)

We've had many heart to hearts about why he did it (been hurt and cheated on by past fiance, had quite a pessimistic view that everyone on dating sites is shagging around early days, he feels very anxious when falling in love and believed I was doing the same). I believe he really wants a happy, healthy relationship and see how hard he's tried to please me (he runs around after me a lot, he's kind).

I've had a hard look at myself - I was near hysterical at times irrationally. I'm 39 and I've lost all my family, dad wasn't around, my mum died young of cancer - possibly have an anxious attachment style (though I behave secure when not triggered). I've not found the right man to have children with, had fallen into a bit of a depression a couple of years before thinking I'd left it too late. Knew I didn't want to settle, or have children alone. Picked myself up but had almost assigned myself that it was too late then I met my boyfriend and it reignited hope. I just wanted to meet someone I really adored who was ready to settle down and make it amazing.

But had to face facts, I can walk away if it's too imperfect/anxiety inducing (life isn't always a fairytale?), but I really love him and I thought I'm not going to let early day mistakes ruin what we've got. And love is forgiving someone, and giving yourself peace. So I had some therapy and things have been a lot calmer.

The first time I sat him down and told him I'd like a child with him and I'd never felt like I loved being with someone enough to make that commitment, I expected it to be a romantic moment (having dinner by candlelight!). He said yes me too then began to list all he negatives, how much hard work they are etc. I've been upset by his negative reaction a bunch of times I brought it up, but I also figured I'd picked the wrong time as we were so up and down. He reassured me that if we were stable he'll be fine. Said he doesn't feel a burning desire for a child as he has one, but if I want one, he's up for it.

So with things calmer, we began trying for a baby in July. But three out of the last four months when it's ovulation time he's had wobbles and we've not had sex. He brought yup the instability of our relationship again. I felt frustrated as we were calm, but I get that, we have been, and I know it's still early days (I wish I was 30 and could take our time). I've tried to be patient over the last few months, to show him a side to me he'd not seen too much of, and I sat and listened to his fears calmly. He said he feels more confident we're a strong team now and could handle the stress of a baby.

Thought we'd reached a turning point, but he had a wobble again this month. Again I stayed calm, and asked him what he's afraid of.... he poured a lot out... he says he shouted at our whiny dog the other day and what if he's a bad tempered parent? (Like his dad, he was near abusive to him as a child and they don't speak). Listed all the negatives of having kids... financial constraints, says he actually just likes a quiet life, stress, sleepless nights. What if the baby is a total brat like his younger sister? She ruined every family holiday. That the overall responsibility seems overwhelming, he's never done full time dad and you can't escape. Says me telling him when I'm ovulating is pressure. Then told me not to worry though he's on board!

I said ok, but this past week I've realised I've been struggling for months with motivation, I've started smoking on and off, not been the gym, putting on weight, not being as productive at work. Sat him down (calmly) and told him I feel I'm slipping into depression (it's bringing on grief again I may end up childless). I'm trying to hold his hand and talk him through his fears, but I can't help feeling anxious and unsure he's really on board with a child. He reacted badly and told me I've being OTT, and that's a problem for him, how can we have a child when things aren't stable. It's too pressure. I said I can't help feeling a panic at 39 0 I have endometriosis, and fibroids, two things that can affect fertility and we loved each other, we just need to crack on now! I suggested he has therapy to figure out if he wants another child or not; his wobbles appear not just about us but wider issues. I suggested holding off trying for a few months, he said no, he does want a family, I just need to be patient with him.

I don't want to have a child with someone I've forced into. And I'm worried about whether he will turn out like a family man if we did have a baby, or if his heart would only half be in it. He isn't close with his son, but he's a teen so it's hard to know what to read into that, boyfriend does try, and the ex is a bit difficult. I figured I'd get over the early day cheating if he gave me the security I craved and was keen to start a family. It's not just about the end goal of a baby, I want to feel that bond of wanting to take that leap together and I feel he just keeps setting us back. I've shown him calm and stable. It's like catch 22: we get calm, we try move forward, he wobbles, I get upset and he blames me getting upset! He says I need to grow up and not expect a fairytale and have an adult relationship and put the work in.

Do I walk away? Is this just not meant to be - can a man this reluctant turn out to be happy being a parent? (Probably is my last chance at kids, but equally I'd rather miss out than not be in the right situation). Do I try to calm my anxieties down and try hold his hand through it? Am I being too sensitive?

OP posts:
CannonCaboodle · 23/10/2019 06:05

He doesn't want to have a baby with you.

He does not want to have a baby with you.

He really does not want to have a baby with you.

There really is no other way to put it.

ColaFreezePop · 23/10/2019 06:07

PP have told you the truth. He doesn't want a baby.

You can become a single mother with MS. I know someone who is and she delibrately became one. You need to surround yourself with friends and neighbours.

KatherineJaneway · 23/10/2019 06:19

He doesn't want a baby with you, he says he does so he can have sex with you without a condom.

Replies on here might be very hard to read but do take them onboard.

prawnsword · 23/10/2019 06:34

I also dislike your term “wobble” - it makes it sound cute, but it’s not cute to coerce someone into having a baby. If this was a reverse we would say the partner was being controlling & steamrolling over you when you try to communicate your desire to not have another child.

Also the fact you gloss over having MS, a serious debilitating condition all I see is a very selfish, blinkered person who is hell bent on having what they want, not wanting what they have. I don’t believe having kids is a necessarily right, or always the right thing to do. If you go into this accepting you will be a single parent & he is onboard enough to conceive best of luck. But don’t fool yourself, you will be going this alone sooner or later. Life isn’t a fairytale, he is right. You are living in a fantasy land & not listening to anyone.

Fookadook · 23/10/2019 06:53

He remember his son's birthday

That’s a standard you hold him by? That he remembers his own child’s birthday? Most of us manage to do that by default.

You’re not interested in anyone’s response, that’s quite clear. I’m not sure why you posted this thread, because we aren’t giving you the answers you want. What you want is for us to say it’s all fine, go ahead, life will be lovely. So good luck with that.

Blueoasis · 23/10/2019 07:28

Also the fact you gloss over having MS, a serious debilitating condition all I see is a very selfish, blinkered person who is hell bent on having what they want, not wanting what they have.

I worried about this too, because she said it's starting to get worse. It's not going to get better now, you will just go downhill. Are you sure you could cope with a baby and MS? I know my uncle did nearly all, if not all of the caring of his son as his wife has MS. She is sadly no longer with us, died when her son was 9, maybe younger. Your 'partner' won't be like my uncle, he won't step up. Can you do it alone? You said you can't so the answer is pretty obvious to me.

sugarlips2015 · 23/10/2019 07:32

Prawsword - gloss over my MS and I'm selfish? Aren't you a treat! You have no idea about my life.

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sugarlips2015 · 23/10/2019 07:34

Good lord you people just make up your own stories! I did NOT say my MS is getting worse. There is a such a thing as benign MS and its very mild.

The above two posters can just f@ck off frankly. You must have sad lives to go making stuff up.

OP posts:
sugarlips2015 · 23/10/2019 07:39

You do not tell someone with a health condition they are going to get worse snd tell them an awful tale about someone. Have you had an empathy bypass?

You're not a doctor and I know much more about MS. It does not always deline you nasty little ignoramus.

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Karwomannghia · 23/10/2019 07:40

I would hide this thread OP.

Conniedescending · 23/10/2019 07:41

This has disaster written all over it. At nearly 40 you really should know better!

Even taking aside the relationship issues, cheating and STI he's given you - he doesn't want a baby. You are railroading him and talking him into it. I get why you do t want to have a baby alone but this is what's going to happen with a load of emotional backlash thrown in for good measure. It's not a healthy relationship or environment to raise a child.

I don't know enough about MS or your personal circumstances re being a single parent but it seems to me going it alone, planned & with a sperm donor would still be a better option than pushing this unwilling loser into it.

sugarlips2015 · 23/10/2019 07:42

I'm just looking into how to stop comments but can't see how

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SlightlyStaleCocoPops · 23/10/2019 07:42

OP what's the point of this thread? You're not interested in any opinions that aren't telling you what you want to hear.

Loopytiles · 23/10/2019 07:43

You can’t stop comments. You can hide your thread from yourself, or ask MN to take it down.

Pannalash · 23/10/2019 07:46

Crikey!

Stayawayfromitsmouth · 23/10/2019 07:48

Yabu.
I don't think you are ready for a baby. Let alone your male fuck buddy.
A baby is not a cute accessory.

Blueoasis · 23/10/2019 07:49

We are trying to get you to see sense. I was sure I had seen you say it was getting worse but if not that's my bad sorry about that. But you will be on your own with this child, is that really what you want?

You can easily find someone better than this guy to have a child with, who will actually step up and be a dad. This man won't.

timeisnotaline · 23/10/2019 07:55

You can’t stop comments, but it certainly is relevant if there is ms that doesn’t decline. Everyone reading this is assuming there’s a strong likelihood any child you have is either alone as a teenager except for a shit dad or part carer as a teenager (given their dad is unlikely to be). So if that’s not the case please do share.

TarMcAdam · 23/10/2019 07:56

We had a deleriously lovely first five months.

But you didn't - he was cheating on you.

He's a cheat.

And on top of that he doesn't really want a baby and you do.

Not good material for relationship or family.

If you have a child with him you will end up.s single mum. If you think, even if you break up, that you can "make" him look after your child part of the time .... You can't, I've asked a solicitor that myself if I were to divorce and she was v plain; "you can't make any parent see their child if they choose not to, not for one minute".

Do you'll be on your own, probably trying to get him to help unsuccessfully & frustratingly. I know several women in this position. Sounds like he's not very active in his existing child's life (?).

If you

TarMcAdam · 23/10/2019 08:00

Sorry, posted too soon ..

If you want to.use him as a sperm donor as such, you'll have to do it in the knowledge that you'll very very likely be a single mum - and plan for that.

Alternatively you could try to meet someone else means build a relationship with them, without all these signs of untrustworthiness (and reluctance to have a child) on his part.

I had my first at 41, lots of women have kids in early 40s. You could get a fertility check with a clinic if you can afford it (not super expensive) to see if you're ok for a little while. It's not foolproof but better than nothing.

chesterdraws1 · 23/10/2019 08:07

Wow. Of all the selfish things I have ever read on MN, I think this tops them all, hands down.

Why did you post OP? You are clearly planning on bringing a defenceless, innocent baby into this car crash of a relationship, no matter what we say.

TarMcAdam · 23/10/2019 08:13

Also - from my experience of having a new baby with a guy (who I knew very well beforehand) .. it is the most tiring, stressful, relentless, demanding, friction causing thing ever ... It tests your relationship/partnership to the utmost and beyond degree (hence my solicitor visit).

If this dude can't even be faithful during the honeymoon period (and I don't believe going long distance is an excuse, dine people have to go long distance for a period and manage to stay faithful, its a sign of integrity), I can only imagine what he's going to be like during the shit-fest and stress-fest that is new parenthood (and it doesn't stop even after the newborn period!). And the fact that he doesn't even really want the child on top of the above. .

Ohyesiam · 23/10/2019 08:18

For me I knew that I was ready for a baby when I looked at all the “ negatives “ and it was still a wholehearted yes.

Too much at stake here. I’d walk away.

Littletabbyocelot · 23/10/2019 08:20

I agree people aren't black and white and they can do objectively bad things without being bad people. However, they are part of who they are. He isn't a loving wonderful person who somehow cheated and somehow pulls out of ttc at the last minute.

At the very least, the reasons he's given point to a poor response to needing to communicate. Worried you're sleeping with other people does he a) Talk to you about being exclusive or b) hurt you both by actively seeking unprotected sex? Unsure about having children does he a) talk to you or b) just avoid participating?

My DH can be like this - we had a similar issue around ttc and took a break of a couple of years. It comes from his relationship with his mum who, if you discuss anything with her cries until she gets her own way (with the result that he moved 100s of miles away without telling her it was permanent). My DH has done a lot of therapy since the TTC issues and is much better at communicating. With hindsight he could not have been a decent father without that.

TarMcAdam · 23/10/2019 08:20

Forgot to say - he's also a cheat who covers it up .. you only found out about him cheating be cause he gave you an std, and because you snooped the second time. He's really really untrustworthy and lacking integrity.

What if he were to cheat and give you an Std again when you're trying to get pregnant or already pregnant; have you read about the effects of herpes (which even condoms doesn't fully guard against) for example on a foetus?

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