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Boyfriend's wobbles trying for a baby

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sugarlips2015 · 22/10/2019 17:36

Hi

I love my boyfriend of 18 months very much, we're both 39, and been trying for a baby but he keeps having wobbles and I'm finding it unsettling (I'm childless, so feels like last chance saloon!).

We had a deleriously lovely first five months when I was thinking my god, he's the one, and he loves me too, it's all so simple! He was super keen on me, super affectionate, and I've never found someone whose company I love so much, he makes me laugh almost round the clock.

Then I found out he'd cheated on me with two women (casual sex, met one once, the other twice) within the first three months of our relationship. He told me five months in about the first because he'd given me an STI (slept with both with no condom - disgusted he could risk my health like that) and I recently found out about the second from snooping.

We were long distance at the time (I'd moved away for work a month after meeting) which was not easy with trust issues. I got anxious and insecure, and picked many fights with him and pushed him away. But we held on and moved in together after eight months.

I know he couldn't be more sorry (seen him cry and have panic attacks when I've been punishing towards him). He's stuck with me despite the ups and downs, I feel he really loves me. I believe there's been no straying since, he's been open and transparent and done everything to reassure me (well there were some lies/half truths/ommissions along the way, but he came clean, has his phone, social media open etc). I do think he's a good egg (he's not a good liar) who made a mistake. (I've questioned his self control though, he got his 'fuck buddy' pregnant he'd known for three weeks, they have a teenager, and he's gone through life not using condoms having casual sex as they make him lose his erection?!)

We've had many heart to hearts about why he did it (been hurt and cheated on by past fiance, had quite a pessimistic view that everyone on dating sites is shagging around early days, he feels very anxious when falling in love and believed I was doing the same). I believe he really wants a happy, healthy relationship and see how hard he's tried to please me (he runs around after me a lot, he's kind).

I've had a hard look at myself - I was near hysterical at times irrationally. I'm 39 and I've lost all my family, dad wasn't around, my mum died young of cancer - possibly have an anxious attachment style (though I behave secure when not triggered). I've not found the right man to have children with, had fallen into a bit of a depression a couple of years before thinking I'd left it too late. Knew I didn't want to settle, or have children alone. Picked myself up but had almost assigned myself that it was too late then I met my boyfriend and it reignited hope. I just wanted to meet someone I really adored who was ready to settle down and make it amazing.

But had to face facts, I can walk away if it's too imperfect/anxiety inducing (life isn't always a fairytale?), but I really love him and I thought I'm not going to let early day mistakes ruin what we've got. And love is forgiving someone, and giving yourself peace. So I had some therapy and things have been a lot calmer.

The first time I sat him down and told him I'd like a child with him and I'd never felt like I loved being with someone enough to make that commitment, I expected it to be a romantic moment (having dinner by candlelight!). He said yes me too then began to list all he negatives, how much hard work they are etc. I've been upset by his negative reaction a bunch of times I brought it up, but I also figured I'd picked the wrong time as we were so up and down. He reassured me that if we were stable he'll be fine. Said he doesn't feel a burning desire for a child as he has one, but if I want one, he's up for it.

So with things calmer, we began trying for a baby in July. But three out of the last four months when it's ovulation time he's had wobbles and we've not had sex. He brought yup the instability of our relationship again. I felt frustrated as we were calm, but I get that, we have been, and I know it's still early days (I wish I was 30 and could take our time). I've tried to be patient over the last few months, to show him a side to me he'd not seen too much of, and I sat and listened to his fears calmly. He said he feels more confident we're a strong team now and could handle the stress of a baby.

Thought we'd reached a turning point, but he had a wobble again this month. Again I stayed calm, and asked him what he's afraid of.... he poured a lot out... he says he shouted at our whiny dog the other day and what if he's a bad tempered parent? (Like his dad, he was near abusive to him as a child and they don't speak). Listed all the negatives of having kids... financial constraints, says he actually just likes a quiet life, stress, sleepless nights. What if the baby is a total brat like his younger sister? She ruined every family holiday. That the overall responsibility seems overwhelming, he's never done full time dad and you can't escape. Says me telling him when I'm ovulating is pressure. Then told me not to worry though he's on board!

I said ok, but this past week I've realised I've been struggling for months with motivation, I've started smoking on and off, not been the gym, putting on weight, not being as productive at work. Sat him down (calmly) and told him I feel I'm slipping into depression (it's bringing on grief again I may end up childless). I'm trying to hold his hand and talk him through his fears, but I can't help feeling anxious and unsure he's really on board with a child. He reacted badly and told me I've being OTT, and that's a problem for him, how can we have a child when things aren't stable. It's too pressure. I said I can't help feeling a panic at 39 0 I have endometriosis, and fibroids, two things that can affect fertility and we loved each other, we just need to crack on now! I suggested he has therapy to figure out if he wants another child or not; his wobbles appear not just about us but wider issues. I suggested holding off trying for a few months, he said no, he does want a family, I just need to be patient with him.

I don't want to have a child with someone I've forced into. And I'm worried about whether he will turn out like a family man if we did have a baby, or if his heart would only half be in it. He isn't close with his son, but he's a teen so it's hard to know what to read into that, boyfriend does try, and the ex is a bit difficult. I figured I'd get over the early day cheating if he gave me the security I craved and was keen to start a family. It's not just about the end goal of a baby, I want to feel that bond of wanting to take that leap together and I feel he just keeps setting us back. I've shown him calm and stable. It's like catch 22: we get calm, we try move forward, he wobbles, I get upset and he blames me getting upset! He says I need to grow up and not expect a fairytale and have an adult relationship and put the work in.

Do I walk away? Is this just not meant to be - can a man this reluctant turn out to be happy being a parent? (Probably is my last chance at kids, but equally I'd rather miss out than not be in the right situation). Do I try to calm my anxieties down and try hold his hand through it? Am I being too sensitive?

OP posts:
GreenTulips · 22/10/2019 18:15

He says I need to grow up and not expect a fairytale

So true! You are holding on to false hope. He’s right that babies are financially a big commitment, sleepless nights and no freedom etc

But all these heart to hearts? You’re both 40 not teens.

SunshineCake · 22/10/2019 18:18

I couldn't read it all as it is obvious this is not a relationship that will last until you die.

Leave and free yourself to find a decent bloke who won't cheat on you and risk your health.

sugarlips2015 · 22/10/2019 18:19

In the kindest possible way, step back and look at him objectively.

Do you really see him as a supportive, kind, loving partner and father?

That's just it. He behaved like a shit in the beginning and I was so shocked because he does behave kind, loving and supportive. It may not sound like after reading a snapshot, but I do see good in him. It's rarely black and white, people are rarely all good or all bad.

Believe me I went over and over whether I should have left him after the cheating. Some people can't/won't forgive and forget. It's always trotted out, once a cheater always a cheater. You leave if you've an ounce of self respect. It's the first time I've ever had to deal with this. I just love him and didn't want to leave. I have self respect and know my worth. There are therapists who tell you you can get over it and it doesn't have to spell the end. People make mistakes. I just tried to see it as a blip, my friend was telling me about his friend who cheated early on, she forgave and they are happily married with kids now.

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Yeahnahyeah1 · 22/10/2019 18:19

Oh my god, wake up OP!! He’s an absolute scumbag! He’s stuck by you? You mean you’ve stuck by him, while he sticks his cock in anyone who’ll have it and consequently gives you an STI
What on earth are you thinking?!

hormonesorDHbeingadick · 22/10/2019 18:20

A ‘good egg’ does not put his dick in someone else’s vagina, never mind 2 other people. He is a liar, he only told you about cheating when he was caught out.

If you have a child with him then you will be doing it on your own as he will fuck off.

If your 39 can I ask why you haven’t tried for a child before? Just hadn’t found the right person or did you just not want one yet.

Aquamarine1029 · 22/10/2019 18:20

My god, op, you should be running, not walking, away from this car crash. Read what you wrote. He's a cheat, he gave you an STI, he lies, he fucks you about over and over and over again. Why would you bring an innocent child into this disaster?!

Yeahnahyeah1 · 22/10/2019 18:20

In the first three months, when it’s all sunshine and light. My god, he’ll be like a rat up a fucking drainpipe once you have had a baby and your focus isn’t on him, you’re not so up for a fuck and your body is changed.

Aquamarine1029 · 22/10/2019 18:22

He couldn't be more clear that he has no interest in having a baby. Get pregnant and he'll be long gone.

AFistfulofDolores1 · 22/10/2019 18:25

To be entirely pragmatic, OP, if you want this baby, then be prepared to be raising it alone. The chances are slim to nothing that he will be able to step up and raise it, let alone maintain a relationship with you.

nuttyslackster · 22/10/2019 18:25

If you already have a rocky relationship then a baby will likely be a nail in the coffin. So guess it depends how much you want a baby and ultimately if you're prepared to be a single mum.

nuttyslackster · 22/10/2019 18:25

If you already have a rocky relationship then a baby will likely be a nail in the coffin. So guess it depends how much you want a baby and ultimately if you're prepared to be a single mum. This guy just screams flakey to me and that is not a good quality for a dad or partner.

Notonthestairs · 22/10/2019 18:27

Your desire to make a family is stopping you seeing him for what he is.

I'm wondering whether you've done all the funding/investment in your business venture too.

He does not sound loving, kind, stable or committed. And you need those qualities more than anything else in a husband but especially in a parent. Don't do it.

Whatwouldbigfatfannydo · 22/10/2019 18:28

If you have a child with him, you will end up doing it alone anyway. The only difference with a sperm donor is that your child will never feel abandoned by their father as he was never involved in the first place.
If this man loved you, he'd never put himself in the position to lose you.
He's done that multiple times now.
Sorry to hear you have MS, but I very much doubt he'd treat you well if it progresses. He won't look after you they way you may need.
I'm not being judgy, I also have a chronic and progressive health condition that already confines me to a wheelchair a lot of the time.

Loopytiles · 22/10/2019 18:31

You’ve made a series of very bad decisions with this relationship.

If you have a DC with him it will almost certainly not work out and you’ll be a single parent.

firstimemamma · 22/10/2019 18:32

He's cheated on you twice in a year and a half. Get rid.

sugarlips2015 · 22/10/2019 18:34

It was all in the first three months

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sugarlips2015 · 22/10/2019 18:38

I think that's unfair who'd abandon me if I got ill. He's been loving and kind if I've been poorly. He's not a cold hearted monster.

I appreciate everyone's honest opinions, and know you're only tring to help, but the trouble with giving a snapshot of things and asking strangers on the internet is they'll read strayed = cold hearted monster. And people aren't that black and white.

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CupoTeap · 22/10/2019 18:41

When he says you are not stable enough of a couple to have a baby KISTEN he is telling you how he feels

Howyiz · 22/10/2019 18:42

So you are going to have a child with a man who won't step up. When/if your ms progresses your child will be left to care for you because he will be long gone! Do you think it is fair on the child to put them in that situation?

firstimemamma · 22/10/2019 18:44

The fact it was 'all in the first 3 months' makes it worse imo. I'm sorry.

Howyiz · 22/10/2019 18:45

He won't leave you if you get sick? He couldn't even keep his dick in his trousers in the first three months when you felt the relationship was 'amazing'!
You need to take the Rose tinted glasses off.
He doesn't want a baby! End of. If you force the issue you will raise your child alone. Your child will be your carer!

SunshineCake · 22/10/2019 18:47

So why ask then ?

Don't have a baby with him assuming he will leave. The poor child deserves a decent present dad. It is not all about whether you can cope alone Hmm.

Loopytiles · 22/10/2019 18:59

Being kind to someone unwell is easy when you don’t live or co parent with them.

53rdWay · 22/10/2019 19:10

Do not waste any more of your life holding the hands of someone sobbingly working his way through the trauma of cheating on you. Really. He does not need support and pep talks here. He needs showing the door.

I know you really believe cheaters can change and become decent partners and family men. Maybe they can. But this one won't. He is giving you every signal possible that he's an immature, irresponsible, untrustworthy and generally neither willing nor able to be a good partner or a good dad.

Bellringer · 22/10/2019 19:17

Don't know why you tell him when you ovulate. Better just to get pregnant by chance since he won't prevent it. You are going to be a single parent, no doubt about it