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Boyfriend's wobbles trying for a baby

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sugarlips2015 · 22/10/2019 17:36

Hi

I love my boyfriend of 18 months very much, we're both 39, and been trying for a baby but he keeps having wobbles and I'm finding it unsettling (I'm childless, so feels like last chance saloon!).

We had a deleriously lovely first five months when I was thinking my god, he's the one, and he loves me too, it's all so simple! He was super keen on me, super affectionate, and I've never found someone whose company I love so much, he makes me laugh almost round the clock.

Then I found out he'd cheated on me with two women (casual sex, met one once, the other twice) within the first three months of our relationship. He told me five months in about the first because he'd given me an STI (slept with both with no condom - disgusted he could risk my health like that) and I recently found out about the second from snooping.

We were long distance at the time (I'd moved away for work a month after meeting) which was not easy with trust issues. I got anxious and insecure, and picked many fights with him and pushed him away. But we held on and moved in together after eight months.

I know he couldn't be more sorry (seen him cry and have panic attacks when I've been punishing towards him). He's stuck with me despite the ups and downs, I feel he really loves me. I believe there's been no straying since, he's been open and transparent and done everything to reassure me (well there were some lies/half truths/ommissions along the way, but he came clean, has his phone, social media open etc). I do think he's a good egg (he's not a good liar) who made a mistake. (I've questioned his self control though, he got his 'fuck buddy' pregnant he'd known for three weeks, they have a teenager, and he's gone through life not using condoms having casual sex as they make him lose his erection?!)

We've had many heart to hearts about why he did it (been hurt and cheated on by past fiance, had quite a pessimistic view that everyone on dating sites is shagging around early days, he feels very anxious when falling in love and believed I was doing the same). I believe he really wants a happy, healthy relationship and see how hard he's tried to please me (he runs around after me a lot, he's kind).

I've had a hard look at myself - I was near hysterical at times irrationally. I'm 39 and I've lost all my family, dad wasn't around, my mum died young of cancer - possibly have an anxious attachment style (though I behave secure when not triggered). I've not found the right man to have children with, had fallen into a bit of a depression a couple of years before thinking I'd left it too late. Knew I didn't want to settle, or have children alone. Picked myself up but had almost assigned myself that it was too late then I met my boyfriend and it reignited hope. I just wanted to meet someone I really adored who was ready to settle down and make it amazing.

But had to face facts, I can walk away if it's too imperfect/anxiety inducing (life isn't always a fairytale?), but I really love him and I thought I'm not going to let early day mistakes ruin what we've got. And love is forgiving someone, and giving yourself peace. So I had some therapy and things have been a lot calmer.

The first time I sat him down and told him I'd like a child with him and I'd never felt like I loved being with someone enough to make that commitment, I expected it to be a romantic moment (having dinner by candlelight!). He said yes me too then began to list all he negatives, how much hard work they are etc. I've been upset by his negative reaction a bunch of times I brought it up, but I also figured I'd picked the wrong time as we were so up and down. He reassured me that if we were stable he'll be fine. Said he doesn't feel a burning desire for a child as he has one, but if I want one, he's up for it.

So with things calmer, we began trying for a baby in July. But three out of the last four months when it's ovulation time he's had wobbles and we've not had sex. He brought yup the instability of our relationship again. I felt frustrated as we were calm, but I get that, we have been, and I know it's still early days (I wish I was 30 and could take our time). I've tried to be patient over the last few months, to show him a side to me he'd not seen too much of, and I sat and listened to his fears calmly. He said he feels more confident we're a strong team now and could handle the stress of a baby.

Thought we'd reached a turning point, but he had a wobble again this month. Again I stayed calm, and asked him what he's afraid of.... he poured a lot out... he says he shouted at our whiny dog the other day and what if he's a bad tempered parent? (Like his dad, he was near abusive to him as a child and they don't speak). Listed all the negatives of having kids... financial constraints, says he actually just likes a quiet life, stress, sleepless nights. What if the baby is a total brat like his younger sister? She ruined every family holiday. That the overall responsibility seems overwhelming, he's never done full time dad and you can't escape. Says me telling him when I'm ovulating is pressure. Then told me not to worry though he's on board!

I said ok, but this past week I've realised I've been struggling for months with motivation, I've started smoking on and off, not been the gym, putting on weight, not being as productive at work. Sat him down (calmly) and told him I feel I'm slipping into depression (it's bringing on grief again I may end up childless). I'm trying to hold his hand and talk him through his fears, but I can't help feeling anxious and unsure he's really on board with a child. He reacted badly and told me I've being OTT, and that's a problem for him, how can we have a child when things aren't stable. It's too pressure. I said I can't help feeling a panic at 39 0 I have endometriosis, and fibroids, two things that can affect fertility and we loved each other, we just need to crack on now! I suggested he has therapy to figure out if he wants another child or not; his wobbles appear not just about us but wider issues. I suggested holding off trying for a few months, he said no, he does want a family, I just need to be patient with him.

I don't want to have a child with someone I've forced into. And I'm worried about whether he will turn out like a family man if we did have a baby, or if his heart would only half be in it. He isn't close with his son, but he's a teen so it's hard to know what to read into that, boyfriend does try, and the ex is a bit difficult. I figured I'd get over the early day cheating if he gave me the security I craved and was keen to start a family. It's not just about the end goal of a baby, I want to feel that bond of wanting to take that leap together and I feel he just keeps setting us back. I've shown him calm and stable. It's like catch 22: we get calm, we try move forward, he wobbles, I get upset and he blames me getting upset! He says I need to grow up and not expect a fairytale and have an adult relationship and put the work in.

Do I walk away? Is this just not meant to be - can a man this reluctant turn out to be happy being a parent? (Probably is my last chance at kids, but equally I'd rather miss out than not be in the right situation). Do I try to calm my anxieties down and try hold his hand through it? Am I being too sensitive?

OP posts:
Pandainmyporridge · 22/10/2019 19:21

He is not the steady parent figure you need given your disability and age - you need a man who is a definite yes for children and will jump at the chance to have a baby with you, ASAP.
Maybe look for a man as a potential parent rather than an amazing lover (I'm guessing that, as your current dp must have at least one good quality)

Karwomannghia · 22/10/2019 19:27

Leaving all the obvious stuff re him being unreliable aside a lot of men do feel pressured with any talk of ovulation etc.
Say you’ll stop talking about it and have sex regularly.

SugarThreat · 22/10/2019 19:32

I mean this in the kindest possible way, but I think you're doing a bit of a number on yourself here. It reads to me like someone who is turning a blind eye to some pretty serious things because of a strong desire to have children and a family unit. I think your urge to settle and have a baby is completely tinting your view of the situation you're in. I absolutely think you'll be doing it alone if you have a baby. He is telling you both directly and indirectly that he's not interested in having children with you. You haven't known each other very long, and you've moved very quickly despite some major problems. This early in a relationship things shouldn't be this hard and have this much baggage and ups and downs. It doesn't sound like a healthy, mature relationship.

This relationship is not your last chance at having a baby. Seeing your life through those glasses isn't helping you right now, it's only adding to the urgency to see the best and have a child. I know that on some level you must be able to see that things aren't great and that it isn't a positive situation, or you wouldn't be reaching out on here. A 40 year old man should not be cheating, opposed to condoms like a teenager, having regular wobbles and so on. Red flags all over this situation.

pikapikachu · 22/10/2019 19:32

It was all in the first three months

That's when it's easiest to be faithful - there's lots of sex, sexting etc

It will be much harder for him when you have a baby and greet him after work with sick covered clothes and a desire for him to cook , clean and go to sleep early rather than have sex and chill together.

He doesn't sound like father material at all. You need to decide which is more important- baby or partner because it clearly sounds like you won't get both. He's evidently very selfish and one of those men who will leave as he's not centre of your life any more.

mamandematribu · 22/10/2019 19:33

My goodness that was a long post....

Why would anyone want to have a baby with a man who has cheated on them and given them an STI??

I understand your biological clock is rocking but please don't degrade yourself for a slime ball. He is shagging everything on two legs....
You deserve a lot better.
Also pregnancy is tough at your age too and risky.

Whatwouldbigfatfannydo · 22/10/2019 19:35

OP, he treats you badly. I don't know how that would change when it comes to caring for you through an illness?
Just realised you're the same poster on another thread where the OP's husband is cheating on her and you've portrayed your relationship as a reason to have hope and believe cheated can change.
I very much doubt it.

Gemma1971 · 22/10/2019 19:36

What Attila said with knobs on..... good Lord have some standards. If not for yourself, then for any poor baby you plan to bring into the world.

This is NOT a good man. You need to do some serious self-reflection OP.

And read up on cognitive dissonance. He cheated on you. Twice that you know of. Sorry my butt..... he could be cheating now. And whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy oh why would anyone start a business with someone who is untrustworthy.

Sorry this may sound harsh but you are 39, not 19. Wake up and smell the coffee... this man is an utter arsehole.

GaaaaarlicBread · 22/10/2019 19:37

Walk away. Don’t bring an innocent child into this. He’s not worth it at all. You deserve better x

AgentJohnson · 22/10/2019 19:45

The thing about your snapshot, is that it shows a pattern of behaviour that screams unreliable and evasive.

You’ve got the ‘I’m desperate to have a baby’ blinkers on, which gives more weight to his good points.

There’s no happy ever after here.

Mydogmylife · 22/10/2019 19:47

Op- should I have a baby with this man?

Every single response - NO

Op - you don't undedstaaaaannnnnd! He's lovelyyyyy
(Even though he's a cheat!)

mindutopia · 22/10/2019 20:05

The first several years of a relationship are the easy fun bits. It shouldn’t be ‘work’. And you shouldn’t have to see through all the bad stuff to find the good. It just doesn’t work like that in a happy healthy relationship.

When I met my dh, it was fun. We had great times together. We were happy and it was all drama free. 11 years later, with two young dc, it’s not as fun and carefree (it’s more paying bills and taking the bins out), but it’s not work and there’s no drama.

Someone who can’t hold it together through the early fun easy days, will be a mess when things actually get hard. We were long distance too. Opposite sides of the world for 2+ years. Still no drama and no cheating. That wasn’t the case with all the idiots I dated before who were totally wrong for me.

It sounds like even if you do get pregnant, you will likely end up doing it alone. My guess is he will run for the hills when it gets really not fun (large parts of having small children are really not enjoyable) or he realises he’s becoming his dad.

If you want a baby, doing it alone really may be the easiest and happiest way to go (plenty of people with MS and other long term conditions have children and manage just find). Much better that shackling yourself to someone who may jerk you around forever.

mindutopia · 22/10/2019 20:17

The biggest loudest red flag really is that he has a child already that he doesn’t really have a relationship. The love you have for a child is the most fundamental, climb any mountain sort of love you could ever feel. I could not imagine wanting to have a baby with someone who didn’t feel their child was worth having in his life. Ex may be a bit difficult’ but sounds likely she was protecting his son from being dicked around. He is probably prone to ‘wobbles’ which could have meant not showing up to see him, not keeping promises, not remembering birthdays, etc.

There are few rare exceptions to this, but by and large, people choose not to have a relationship with their children. You would have to throw any decent parent in a cage and throw away the key for them not to find a way to be with their child. It’s a primal instinct. If he doesn’t have that, there is something really wrong here and some major red flags waving.

madcatladyforever · 22/10/2019 20:24

Jesus what a total mess. It's a horror waiting to happen.
You'd be better off having a baby on your own with a donor than continuing with this man. At least then there would be peace and quiet.

GreatestShowUnicorn · 22/10/2019 20:32

Get rid and find a sperm donor.

SouthernComforts · 22/10/2019 20:33

Let's hope he doesn't give you another STI when you're pregnant eh?

sugarlips2015 · 22/10/2019 20:41

It's not like that. He remember his son's birthday, has gone to collect him every week, always paid maintenance. They don't seem close but he's going through stroppy teen years. He's been there for him but I don't feel he felt confortable about having a child in the circumstances he did. Ex wouldnt think of inviting him to parents evening etc so thats what I meant by her being difficult. He has tried, but feela a bit on the peripheral. I know you all mean well but often people pick up one one comment and devise a whole new narrative! Basically I was hoping he could see how being a parent with someone he loves and lives with as a more positive experience he didn't have to be afraid of.

OP posts:
Candle1000 · 22/10/2019 20:46

Ex wouldnt think of inviting him to parents evening

He can contact the school and ask to be informed of this sort of thing .

I think you will steam ahead and have a baby with this man regardless of all the red flags .

Wherearemymarbles · 22/10/2019 20:50

Does he have what it takes to be a single parent?
To look after your child AND you? If you’ve had MS for 15 years you know whats coming the line at you. Does he?

You’ve had good times? Will he stick around when you cant walk, eat, see well. Will he be faithful when you can have sex as you have a permanent catheter? No body knows the course MS will take. But it will be tough and he will run and leave you and your child in the shit.

firstimemamma · 22/10/2019 20:51

This thread is going the same way all the other threads like this go - no matter what any of us say, op is just going to defend her boyfriend and insist things are fine etc etc. Always leaves me wondering why they came on MN to ask for advice in the first place tbh.

Wherearemymarbles · 22/10/2019 20:52

Sorry, when you cant have sex....

pikapikachu · 22/10/2019 20:56

Ex wouldnt think of inviting him to parents evening etc so thats what I meant by her being difficult.
The ex isn't being difficult in this case.
Schools have websites and online newsletters so that parents can keep track of dates. If he has no internet access he can have newsletters mailed to him in the post. He can have parents evenings at a separate time to his ex and reports emailed or posted to him.
He's clearly lazy if he can't sort this out with his child's school.

rvby · 22/10/2019 20:56

I don't want a child to have little family support and be alone if anything happened to me. I also don't want to struggle with parenting on my own.

Lol. If you manage to get pregnant by this guy, your child will have little family support and will be alone if anything happened to you. You are definitely going to parent on your own. He's literally telling you that he doesn't want what you want. If you do have a baby with him he is going to tell you, "I told you I didn't really want to do this" and you will do it all.

He's screaming the truth at you and you're putting your fingers in your ears and singing to yourself about how lovely he is.

I'm really sorry op but he's a 39 year old man who's already had one unwanted child through not wearing condoms, and he continues to shag other women without a condom, I mean.. he's a child.

He's blatantly dodging impregnation with you because he knows he'll be stuck with the baby. He knows if he dodges long enough you'll miss your chance and then he can say phew and carry on shagging you, shagging other women, doing whatever he likes. All he has to do is have a panic attack and you'll tell him it's fine he's forgiven Hmm

Do whatever you like but this guy is showing you with his actions (refusing sex) and words (telling you it's a bad idea to have a baby) that he doesn't want what you want. If you choose to ignore that, so be it but you'll get little sympathy when you've had this much warning...

Whatwouldbigfatfannydo · 22/10/2019 20:58

Basically I was hoping he could see how being a parent with someone he loves and lives with as a more positive experience he didn't have to be afraid of.

Wow. He shouldn't need strangers on the internet to convince him of this. Hmm
He's not interested in having kids with you if that's the case. Don't subject a child to that life OP.
At 39 he knows that you may not have much time left to conceive yet he's happily stringing you along and wasting your time. Unforgivable in my eyes. None of your updates have indicated that he's remotely kind, loving, caring or even invested in your relationship.

Candle1000 · 22/10/2019 21:00

I can’t get past the fact that he gave you an STI . He could have given you Aids ffs, totally irresponsible and shows such a lack of respect.

Bigearringsbigsmile · 22/10/2019 21:17

Aside from the fact that your boyfriend is a skunk, what do you have to offer a baby?
You have a n incurable degenerative illness, no family, no support network.
If pregnancy causes your illness to progress, what will happen to your baby?

Having a baby, while lovely, is one of the hardest things anyone can ever do. This man is telling you that he doesn't want one. Listen to him.