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DH has driven me to despair

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treacletree · 26/09/2019 11:07

Hi everyone.

Long time lurker here. This morning I feel very bleak about my fairly new marriage and I desperately need someone to talk sense to me. Sorry because this is just word vomit and very long. I hop me it makes sense.

I guess I feel a bit like I’m going mad and I have no idea whether the problems are rooted in emotional issues I admit I have, or a fundamental incompatibility, or his issues, or all of those.. I guess I want to know if I am as much of a piece of shit as he makes me feel about 80% of the time. If so, then I want to change, I’m happy to change. The other 20% of our time is wonderful- affectionate, loving, full of jokes, adventures. But I just feel exhausted by the cycles we are in.

This morning he is being short with me over text (always a sure sign) and sat on the bed staring into space for about 45 mins while I rushed about getting my dd breakfast and ready for school, and showering and washing my hair. When I was out if the shower he stood there “checking me out”/trying to grope my bum as I got dressed and I said joking “dh I’m jsut trying to get ready here” (I feel very self conscious at the moment due to weight gain and skin flare up and i just wanted to get my clothes and makeup on without feeling looked at. Yes, I know maybe that’s weird- but jsut because he is dh doesn’t mean he gets to just leer when I’m not feeling it? Am I wrong? Anyway he accused me of being “nasty” and went off to sit on the bed. I then did all of dd breakfast, getting dressed, teeth and got myself ready, ended up rushing to work and being 5 mins late. Which has happened a lot lately- as I am there he tends to do very little now.

Extra Background: He used to be in charge of mornings but I changed my work hours to be there too- because regularly he would text or call me when I was already at work, saying dd (4.5) was being difficult and he “couldn’t” get her to get ready. Tactfully as possible I suggested that it would be nicer if we all went off together in the morning. In reality I changed my work hours (sacrificing an early finish) because it was incredibly stressful trying to do work in the morning knowing how incapable he was of getting him and dd out the door without getting cross and worked up. It caused a lot of fights so I now ensure everyone gets out the door in a better mood. With dd like a lot of things this amounts to strategies, praise, being firm but fair (she hates mornings.) He tends to just get cross and resort to threats of taking toys away, etc.

Anyway, he is now being off with me like I said. I apologised a couple of times, explained how I was feeling about myself and said I had never meant to be nasty. He just brushes this off like HE isn’t acting weird. I don’t really know what I’ve done so wrong. The only thing he has said to me today is that I need to split a hotel night with him for when me and dd came to visit him on his last work trip. I paid just under £300 for me and dd flights over, and he expensed that entire week except for the one hotel night (£100). I guess I thought that because I got the flights he would get the hotel night. Anyway, we are married. He also earns a third more than I do. It seems a little petty I suppose, and is definitely in the context of today’s “row”.

Anyway maybe that gives you a flavour of the type of situation we find ourselves in time and again. Generally it’s a misunderstanding that escalated into a full on row. Last week, when we were out as a family he made a comment about “when we move to the suburbs”. I turned around and (again trying to be jokey) was like “what? Since when are we moving to the suburbs?” He apparently thought I was pissed of and immediately accused me of spoiling the day. I was cross he would do this in front of dd (though he has before a lot) but explained that as he knows I never wanted to move to the suburbs of our city and I had jsut been surprised by what he said. He essentially got very angry and said I was trying to start an argument, it ended with him threatening to storm off and leave me and dd in this unfamiliar place. (He has also done this before, most memorably while we were on holiday in a foreign city I didnt know, when he had the keys to the hotel room.)

I try and try to talk to him about why we argue, why it escalates. It happens so much and I’m not playing down my role, it’s just that if I express a wish that he doesn’t like, or if I call him out on something, he gets really angry. Either I’m “nasty” or I’m “trying to start an argument as usual” or similar, and he goes to stonewalling. It makes me really upset. For a long time I imagined it was me being too emotional and I have been having weekly CBT counselling for the past 3 months (fitted around my busy job) to try and target emotional baggage I have. He previously said he would get counselling so he is better at emotional discussions, but he never has pursued this. I also try and send him articles on relationship conflict resolution if we have had a bad one and suggested we try and approach conflict better, but it’s always me initiating this.

Another thing that makes me uncomfortable recently is that he has accused me of being way too negative because I get “too angry” about issues that I care about which mainly revolve around child poverty and feminism. I do a bit of volunteering in these areas, read widely around them and sometimes I do get very passionate in saying my views. If I do, he will either not engage and will change the subject completely, or he will say he doesn’t think I should get too worked up because there’s nothing you can do. When that happens I feel lonely and wonder if I am actually an incredibly difficult person. We have always been quite different- I’m quite passionate and opinionated and he doesn’t take views on a lot of controversial topics, as in his family they never really talk about stuff like that. I never minded that he was this way, I guess I jsut now feel like it’s being used as a way to make me feel bad. Like I’m an angry, negative person. The other day I was talking about a rape case in the news and he just ignored all I said and when I asked what he thought he said he jsut didn’t see why I was getting so “angry”. But I wasn’t angry with anyone. I was just being me. I don’t know how not to be me, I’m in my thirties and I’ve never been made to feel wrong like this before.

Sometimes I feel like there’s no benefit to him being around. On a great day: he’s had enough sleep, had a good week at work, is excited about something coming up, maybe we had sex or something, DD is well behaved, I’ve made a plan for the day he is interested in. And then things are jsut so good. He’s engaged in the family, he’s joking and happy and doesn’t take things to heart, he’s lovely with dd. Our honeymoon was like this.
But then the reality is if most of these are not the case, he’s moody, unpredictable and easily irritated. I feel like the middle man trying to stop him and dd clashing. I begin to feel despondent then at some point I voice this and he gets quickly angry because I was “trying to start an argument again”. Jsut 2 weeks after our honeymoon a big row happened in this way.
On our worst days he has had me sobbing in public places while he refuses to forgive me or calm down from whatever it is. That hasn’t happened for a while. But it has happened more than once.

I know I am not perfect. I’ve had a string of failed relationships including dd’s Dad. I always put this down to me being difficult but through therapy I am a bit kinder to myself and can recognise I picked the wrong men since being a teenager shuttling between 2 EA households after a bad divorce. 2 of my 4 sex partners before dh sexually assaulted me and I never realised it for years after. When I met dh I had a young dd, had been a single mum and felt worthless. After about 6 months only he began to show unearned dominance around my house and my dd and it is a big regret that I didn’t shut him down. They do have a good relationship but to be honest I know their bond isn’t as strong as he thinks it is. Her bio dad has recently got back in contact and I have a feeling she will become more distant from dh if that relationship develops.

I also have a fear of having a child with dh. It makes me feel abnormal. When he is on a good day and being supportive he says all the right things- we will do what you want whenever you want, I’m here for you. But it’s not that I don’t want another child or that I think I couldnt even manage as a single mum, I know I can. It’s that I don’t want HIS child. I don’t know why. Ona very good day I think I do. But usually I just don’t.

Again though, is this just down to my emotional damage? I’m beginning to think that maybe I am not cut out for adult romantic relationships and I feel a strange sense of peace at that. I’ve never made them work. I’m married and I can’t make it work. I know he is not all bad but he can be a lot bad. So can I, but I don’t know if that means im all wrong. Maybe I’m just wrong with him. Or anyone.

If you got to the end, Thankyou. I have never voiced some of this stuff even to myself.

If you can share any wisdom or thoughts I would appreciate it a lot because I don’t think I can go on like this

OP posts:
BendyLikeBeckham · 03/10/2019 02:45

I agree with you OP about CBT. It isn't working for you because you are too busy looking at alternative perspectives. Plus you haven't actually confided in them about the abusive situation. You need a counsellor with an empathetic approach. Not one who is helping you blame yourself and look for ways to change. There is nothing wrong with you or your behaviour.

oatmilk4breakfast · 03/10/2019 06:52

CBt may not be best form of counselling at this point unless you are clear about the parameters. He is not a problem you have to solve. You can and are changing yourself but not to accommodate him any more. I found I couldn’t do CBT for anxiety when I was grieving for my grandfather.

DonKeyshot · 03/10/2019 22:04

What's the latest, treacle?

Have you given in or are you still holding out?

treacletree · 03/10/2019 22:14

I have maintained minimal contact this week. We were supposed to talk in person tomorrow but I don’t know if I can face it. I feel like our marriage is just doomed and I don’t have the energy to talk in person.
I’ve gone through a lot of emotions this week but I mainly feel resigned and kind of numb. Adrenaline has worn off.
Working from home tomorrow to get some space and breathe. I’ve booked some yoga classes over the next few days which I am finding helps.

OP posts:
DonKeyshot · 03/10/2019 23:22

Well done you!

Has he moved in with one of his rellies or is he still living big in a hotel on your dime? If you haven't done so already, fgs move that money or he'll blow it.

You mentioned going away for the weekend so that he could pack his stuff. I'm relieved to know that seems to be off the table and suggest you pack his stuff and either make it available for collection or forward it to his brother/sister/friend etc.

It's understandable that you're wrung out now the adrenaline rush has evaporated and it is best that you avoid any face to face contact until such time as you're back to your usual bouncy self and are coming from a place where you're capable of dictating terms - i.e he leaves - instead of acceding to his - i.e he stays.

From what you've said about him, it sounds as if we should add cocklodger to his list of unpleasant characteristics talents. Do you think he's taken financial advantage of you?

treacletree · 04/10/2019 18:49

Today I was working from home. He texted me and was asking when we can talk. I jsut said I’m not ready. He ended up turning up as he was so anxious I was “done with him”. I ended up saying absolutely fucking everything that I’ve kept inside for the past few years, laid it out for him exactly how it’s been for me and dd and refused to accept that he could change or that he should change on my time. He kept trying to get me to cuddle him, kept telling me he knew he was wrong, he’s seeing a therapist (NOW! In the space of 3 days after over a year of saying he would see a therapist), he’s talked to his brother about it, he’s read a book about his relationship behaviours and he knows he had been immature and selfish and he wants to be this better person. And tbh I realised yet again I’ve lost all love for him. I jsut said at the end, that’s great for you if you want to change but I don’t care. I don’t care to witness it, I don’t care if you do or don’t, I do not feel the same way about you anymore and I would’ve loved to hear this transformation even 6 months ago but it’s too late. I don’t want to play happy families with you, I’ve said everything I want to say. I jsut said he needed to leave me to work. And he did. He texted me just now asking if we could talk again and I said no. I said this is the consequences of gambling with your life and your family. You sort yourself out as I am not letting you back.
I feel incredibly anxious bevause I have held firm and it does not come naturally to me. Trying to distract myself by watching a movie with dd and drinking a g&t and I’m going to take a bath later.
This is so, so hard but I feel so empowered and I am proud of myself because I never believed I was strong enough.

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madcatladyforever · 04/10/2019 18:58

Sorry OP but you have picked another wanker and need to get rid of him before the control and abuse escalates.
Before you can live with a man you need to be able to live by yourself and be happy.
You will never find happiness otherwise.
This guy is not a keeper and would not be in my house for longer than 5 minutes.

madcatladyforever · 04/10/2019 19:00

Just read your previous post. Well done.

DonKeyshot · 04/10/2019 19:20

WOW!!! Well done you!!! Way to go!!!

That's a fantastic update. treacle. You've found your voice and have discovered that speaking up and out is empowering; now you've broken the ice, so to speak, you are rightly proud of yourself and it's a good feeling, isn't it?

It is, of course, unlikely that you've seen him off and he'll no doubt attempt to win you over in a multitude of ways right up till the pronouncement of the Absolute, but if you maintain your 'too little, too late' stance it'll be as effective as going grey rock on him.

Have a good sudsy soak, look forward to life without this controlling twat having you dancing on eggshells, and visualise him going down the plughole when you empty the tub. Grin

oatmilk4breakfast · 04/10/2019 19:32

Amazing - it must be so hard but that’s an incredibly strong thing to have done. Hope you’re enjoying the time with your dd in a relaxed and calm environment. Anxiety sounds pretty normal. Hope you feel safe and able to ask others for support in real life. Fingers crossed he gets the message now. You sound so self aware and strong. have fun with new emotional freedom!

Daffodil2018 · 04/10/2019 19:37

Wow, I admire you so much OP. Well done for standing your ground.

treacletree · 04/10/2019 20:36

Feeling really sad right now and second guessing myself. Evenings are so fucking hard.

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RueCambon · 04/10/2019 20:40

Start watching meredith miller - inner integration. Isa A romano. Ross rosenberg

RueCambon · 04/10/2019 20:40

On youtube 🙂

DonKeyshot · 04/10/2019 21:09

Evenings are as hard as you choose to make them.

Fill yours with bedtime cuddles with dd, a good book, a spot of yoga, a bit of meditation, mumsnetting, chatting with friends on phone/social media, googling the song or name that's just come into your mind, preparing all you need for next day's school/work, and general pottering.

Don't bother to second guess your thoughts where he's concerned as he's proved he''s not worth your time or your energy and you KNOW that you have done the right thing, the only thing, for the wellbeing of your little dd.

Keep her foremost in your mind. Make her welfare paramount and you won't be tempted to give the abusive tosser another chance to screw you over.

Is he still staying in a hotel and have you moved that money yet?

usernom123123 · 04/10/2019 21:13

Make transferring half of that money into your account your utmost priority, before he transfers the entire amount. That's money for your daughter's future.

RueCambon · 04/10/2019 21:14

Crime books were good for me at this point.

When you have been trained to feel somebody else's emotions and bury your own, you need to actively PUSH the thoughts doing laps of your head out.

DonKeyshot · 04/10/2019 21:17

No need to feel sad - be GLAD that you and your dd are free of his manipulation.

Come on, get a grip! You know that even if he was the last man on the planet you'd opt to enter a nunnery so there's no reason to blight your evenings with gloomy thoughts of whether or not you should reconcile.

DonKeyshot · 04/10/2019 21:20

You need to work on controlling your thoughts and stop allowing them to control you, OP.

Why not google how you can do this and start now?

NotStayingIn · 04/10/2019 21:24

You’ve absolutely done the right thing. Stay strong! It will be so hard but once you are through this things will get better. You deserve to be happy, don’t settle. You’re doing great!

AnotherEmma · 05/10/2019 09:06

It's very telling that you told him you weren't ready to talk and he turned up anyway.

Trampling over your boundaries as usual.

leomama81 · 05/10/2019 09:30

That is a very good point from @anotheremma

billy1966 · 05/10/2019 13:53

My goodness OP, what a truly fantastic update.

You put it very well. He gambled that he could treat you like absolute shit and grind you down and get away with.

Well he misjudged you. Big time.

I bet he can't believe that you have stood your ground, found your voice, listened to your gut and told him NO MORE.

It's ok to be sad and regretful, of course you are.

But he truly is scum and you have let him know that he truly underestimated who he married.

Big mistake on his part.

I know you are sad and you will be for a while.
But you are carving out a whole new world for your DD and yourself.

Life is so short. Be so glad you will not be one of those poor people who look back after decades of abuse and just wished they'd had the strength you have had this past week.

So delighted for you OP. You have got this💐💐👍

BendyLikeBeckham · 06/10/2019 20:14

Wow! I'm very impressed with you standing your ground, OP!!! Well Done!!!!

As for lingering doubts and intrusive thoughts, this is all part of the grieving process. You will need to grieve the relationship and future life you thought you had and wished you had. But realise that you didn't have it with this man, so don't grieve him or your marriage to him.

Take your time. Feel the feelings of loss and sadness and accept them. Let them wash over you and pass. They will pass in time, I guarantee it.

Whatever you do, do not act on those feelings by taking him back. It would be a temporary fix, a momentary high of blind hope, but it will end in bigger pain than you are in now.

Enjoy your peaceful evenings. They need not be hard. Indulge in all the things that would have annoyed him when you were together. Watch trash TV, play music he hated, leave the kitchen in a mess, dance crazy with your DD, laugh together, do girly stuff, eat ice cream in bed! Just relax in your own company and enjoy the positive energy and happy home you create for yourself and DD.

BendyLikeBeckham · 06/10/2019 20:16

And read back my earlier post about tactics he will deploy to manipulate his way back in. And prepare strategies how you will respond (or not if that is the best strategy)