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DH has driven me to despair

188 replies

treacletree · 26/09/2019 11:07

Hi everyone.

Long time lurker here. This morning I feel very bleak about my fairly new marriage and I desperately need someone to talk sense to me. Sorry because this is just word vomit and very long. I hop me it makes sense.

I guess I feel a bit like I’m going mad and I have no idea whether the problems are rooted in emotional issues I admit I have, or a fundamental incompatibility, or his issues, or all of those.. I guess I want to know if I am as much of a piece of shit as he makes me feel about 80% of the time. If so, then I want to change, I’m happy to change. The other 20% of our time is wonderful- affectionate, loving, full of jokes, adventures. But I just feel exhausted by the cycles we are in.

This morning he is being short with me over text (always a sure sign) and sat on the bed staring into space for about 45 mins while I rushed about getting my dd breakfast and ready for school, and showering and washing my hair. When I was out if the shower he stood there “checking me out”/trying to grope my bum as I got dressed and I said joking “dh I’m jsut trying to get ready here” (I feel very self conscious at the moment due to weight gain and skin flare up and i just wanted to get my clothes and makeup on without feeling looked at. Yes, I know maybe that’s weird- but jsut because he is dh doesn’t mean he gets to just leer when I’m not feeling it? Am I wrong? Anyway he accused me of being “nasty” and went off to sit on the bed. I then did all of dd breakfast, getting dressed, teeth and got myself ready, ended up rushing to work and being 5 mins late. Which has happened a lot lately- as I am there he tends to do very little now.

Extra Background: He used to be in charge of mornings but I changed my work hours to be there too- because regularly he would text or call me when I was already at work, saying dd (4.5) was being difficult and he “couldn’t” get her to get ready. Tactfully as possible I suggested that it would be nicer if we all went off together in the morning. In reality I changed my work hours (sacrificing an early finish) because it was incredibly stressful trying to do work in the morning knowing how incapable he was of getting him and dd out the door without getting cross and worked up. It caused a lot of fights so I now ensure everyone gets out the door in a better mood. With dd like a lot of things this amounts to strategies, praise, being firm but fair (she hates mornings.) He tends to just get cross and resort to threats of taking toys away, etc.

Anyway, he is now being off with me like I said. I apologised a couple of times, explained how I was feeling about myself and said I had never meant to be nasty. He just brushes this off like HE isn’t acting weird. I don’t really know what I’ve done so wrong. The only thing he has said to me today is that I need to split a hotel night with him for when me and dd came to visit him on his last work trip. I paid just under £300 for me and dd flights over, and he expensed that entire week except for the one hotel night (£100). I guess I thought that because I got the flights he would get the hotel night. Anyway, we are married. He also earns a third more than I do. It seems a little petty I suppose, and is definitely in the context of today’s “row”.

Anyway maybe that gives you a flavour of the type of situation we find ourselves in time and again. Generally it’s a misunderstanding that escalated into a full on row. Last week, when we were out as a family he made a comment about “when we move to the suburbs”. I turned around and (again trying to be jokey) was like “what? Since when are we moving to the suburbs?” He apparently thought I was pissed of and immediately accused me of spoiling the day. I was cross he would do this in front of dd (though he has before a lot) but explained that as he knows I never wanted to move to the suburbs of our city and I had jsut been surprised by what he said. He essentially got very angry and said I was trying to start an argument, it ended with him threatening to storm off and leave me and dd in this unfamiliar place. (He has also done this before, most memorably while we were on holiday in a foreign city I didnt know, when he had the keys to the hotel room.)

I try and try to talk to him about why we argue, why it escalates. It happens so much and I’m not playing down my role, it’s just that if I express a wish that he doesn’t like, or if I call him out on something, he gets really angry. Either I’m “nasty” or I’m “trying to start an argument as usual” or similar, and he goes to stonewalling. It makes me really upset. For a long time I imagined it was me being too emotional and I have been having weekly CBT counselling for the past 3 months (fitted around my busy job) to try and target emotional baggage I have. He previously said he would get counselling so he is better at emotional discussions, but he never has pursued this. I also try and send him articles on relationship conflict resolution if we have had a bad one and suggested we try and approach conflict better, but it’s always me initiating this.

Another thing that makes me uncomfortable recently is that he has accused me of being way too negative because I get “too angry” about issues that I care about which mainly revolve around child poverty and feminism. I do a bit of volunteering in these areas, read widely around them and sometimes I do get very passionate in saying my views. If I do, he will either not engage and will change the subject completely, or he will say he doesn’t think I should get too worked up because there’s nothing you can do. When that happens I feel lonely and wonder if I am actually an incredibly difficult person. We have always been quite different- I’m quite passionate and opinionated and he doesn’t take views on a lot of controversial topics, as in his family they never really talk about stuff like that. I never minded that he was this way, I guess I jsut now feel like it’s being used as a way to make me feel bad. Like I’m an angry, negative person. The other day I was talking about a rape case in the news and he just ignored all I said and when I asked what he thought he said he jsut didn’t see why I was getting so “angry”. But I wasn’t angry with anyone. I was just being me. I don’t know how not to be me, I’m in my thirties and I’ve never been made to feel wrong like this before.

Sometimes I feel like there’s no benefit to him being around. On a great day: he’s had enough sleep, had a good week at work, is excited about something coming up, maybe we had sex or something, DD is well behaved, I’ve made a plan for the day he is interested in. And then things are jsut so good. He’s engaged in the family, he’s joking and happy and doesn’t take things to heart, he’s lovely with dd. Our honeymoon was like this.
But then the reality is if most of these are not the case, he’s moody, unpredictable and easily irritated. I feel like the middle man trying to stop him and dd clashing. I begin to feel despondent then at some point I voice this and he gets quickly angry because I was “trying to start an argument again”. Jsut 2 weeks after our honeymoon a big row happened in this way.
On our worst days he has had me sobbing in public places while he refuses to forgive me or calm down from whatever it is. That hasn’t happened for a while. But it has happened more than once.

I know I am not perfect. I’ve had a string of failed relationships including dd’s Dad. I always put this down to me being difficult but through therapy I am a bit kinder to myself and can recognise I picked the wrong men since being a teenager shuttling between 2 EA households after a bad divorce. 2 of my 4 sex partners before dh sexually assaulted me and I never realised it for years after. When I met dh I had a young dd, had been a single mum and felt worthless. After about 6 months only he began to show unearned dominance around my house and my dd and it is a big regret that I didn’t shut him down. They do have a good relationship but to be honest I know their bond isn’t as strong as he thinks it is. Her bio dad has recently got back in contact and I have a feeling she will become more distant from dh if that relationship develops.

I also have a fear of having a child with dh. It makes me feel abnormal. When he is on a good day and being supportive he says all the right things- we will do what you want whenever you want, I’m here for you. But it’s not that I don’t want another child or that I think I couldnt even manage as a single mum, I know I can. It’s that I don’t want HIS child. I don’t know why. Ona very good day I think I do. But usually I just don’t.

Again though, is this just down to my emotional damage? I’m beginning to think that maybe I am not cut out for adult romantic relationships and I feel a strange sense of peace at that. I’ve never made them work. I’m married and I can’t make it work. I know he is not all bad but he can be a lot bad. So can I, but I don’t know if that means im all wrong. Maybe I’m just wrong with him. Or anyone.

If you got to the end, Thankyou. I have never voiced some of this stuff even to myself.

If you can share any wisdom or thoughts I would appreciate it a lot because I don’t think I can go on like this

OP posts:
AnotherEmma · 29/09/2019 17:53
Flowers

I advise you to transfer half of the money from the joint savings account (and any other joint accounts you have) into an account in your name only, ASAP.

Tonnerre · 29/09/2019 18:42

No, transfer all the money in the joint savings account. You need to safeguard your child's future.

it is killing me that he’s that unhappy because of me

The only reason he is unhappy is because of him. This is 100% his failure, not yours.

treacletree · 29/09/2019 18:52

The shock has kind of kicked in and I’m feeling panicky now. Going back over things and thinking I could have prevented this. Maybe I am so emotional and hard to deal with that he was driven to dislike me and so now he treats me like this, it wasn’t always like this.
I am not going to contact him or cave in but I just feel sick about it all. I just want him to make it ok. But that’s what I always think and we make up then it just happens again. I said to him today, that I think he cannot hear what he perceives as criticism, he just lashes out instead. I said I wish he could just be vulnerable with me and be my partner. Of course he tried to say he could do that but I don’t believe him. I just don’t believe him.
I’m so so tired.

OP posts:
Zofloramummy · 29/09/2019 19:03

Ask yourself this, would you lash out verbally at your partner, turn every day into a battle and sulk if you don’t get your own way? ITS NOT YOUR FAULT.

You sound like a normal human being expecting a real relationship where you are treated as a person with feelings. He sounds like he has the emotional development of a 6 year old. Don’t cave now, the adrenaline will wear off and you’ll doubt yourself. It’s natural. There is nothing you could have changed unless you are willing to sacrifice who you are as a person. And no relationship is worth that.

Zofloramummy · 29/09/2019 19:04

He certainly won’t change, he’ll say all the right things but it’s actions that matter not words.

RueCambon · 29/09/2019 19:44

No this is not yr fault.

You have tiptoed around him for years right?

Even if you were the one who was hard to live with, refusing to discuss anything with you was his decision. And during that time that you were supposedly difficult, he never went ahead and ended it and moved out did he?

Your suposedly so so awful but he wont move out and leave you!!?

This bullshit is all him

AnotherEmma · 29/09/2019 19:55

It's not your fault and there is nothing you could have done to prevent this.
It's him, not you.

DonKeyshot · 30/09/2019 12:59

He may have gone last night, but I'd put money on him fetching up on your doorstep tonight or tomorrow as if nothing had happened,

Before you guilt-trip yourself any more, PLEASE act on Tonnerre's sound advice and get the house savings transferred out of the joint account and into any account that is in your sole name - now he's started spending it he won't stop and he may decide that, if you're kicking him out, he's entitled to live in a hotel at your expense.

He is NOT going to change and a future filled with mornings where he gropes you while you're rooting around trying to find clean undies, and sulks when you respond less than enthusiastically to his advances, doesn't bear thinking about.

I'm also wondering why he chooses to exhibit this behaviour in the mornings. Could it have anything to do with your dd running around at that time and him wanting to show her that he comes first in your affections? As if His behaviour in this respect is bizarre, and there is definitely a most probably grotesque reason for it

As another pp said upthread, you've picked another abuser and the sooner you recognise that it's HIM and NOT YOU the better.

CousinKrispy · 30/09/2019 13:06

Hi, OP, I'm coming to this late but just wanted to say I married a man very, very much like your husband. So many points sound familiar it would take too much time to list them all!

I wasted 10 years of my life being married to him and finding it a miserable experience. I finally stopped trying to make myself responsible for making him happy and told him I wanted to split. It was hard to get him to let go but my life is so much better without living in such a toxic, dysfunctional relationship.

It's not unusual for this type of guy to turn up again and expect you to wipe the slate clean. I hope you'll be able to stand firm (though I know it's hard). Any emotional problems you may or may not have do NOT make you responsible for his shitty behavior and he won't change it.

You've done the right thing.

DonKeyshot · 30/09/2019 13:50

I’m beginning to think that maybe I am not cut out for adult romantic relationships and I feel a strange sense of peace at that

When I read this in your opening post I was greatly encouraged at the thought that you were beginning to recognise that a period of time spent living alone with your dd would enable you to find the peace you crave.

Unfortunately, you then went and spoiled any notion that you were on the brink of a breaking through the crap that has been your relationship history to date by banging on about "thinking I will never meet someone else as my life is work + dd and my only recourse eventually would be online dating which in my experience is such a crap place, and equally I might never feel like I can be in a relationship again because I am not emotionally capable of it".

You are clearly coming from a place of low self-esteem and I suspect that you've been so pathetically grateful to any male that has shown an interest in you that you've had succession of men who've done nothing but put you down and treated you appallingly.

I feel unutterably sad that you've never known the joy of voicing your passion to a loving partner who is as passionate about their causes as you are about yours, or of having a relationship which enhances your life and makes you feel 'more than' rather than 'less than'.

You may feel scared about being on your own but it's essential for your personal growth that you ditch this sad excuse of a man and take yourself off the market, so to speak, in order to put in place some much needed boundaries.

Life can present us with many challenges and there are times when we must work through our fears in order to move forward with confidence. This is such a time in your life and taking time to work on yourself will give you the confidence to see that any man of worth will be overjoyed and as proud as Punch to have you and your adorable dd in his life.

Don't settle for 'less than' - aim for 'more than' and keep going until you achieve your goal.

billy1966 · 30/09/2019 14:27

OP,

What an utterly miserable thread to read.

A miserable marriage.

A miserable home for your DD to grow up in.

He is a horrendously abusive man.

Now that he has left, relatively easily, don't let him back into your house and life.

Thank god he is not your DD's father.

If not for yourself, do it for the poor child that is in the midst of this horrible mistake of a marriage.

You need to focus on your child and her needs.

Focus on your job.

Focus on a calm home for your DD.

Take a long break from any relationship and look at healing yourself.

You have a responsibility to be healthy for your child.

Take him being gone as a new wonderful beginning.💐

treacletree · 30/09/2019 16:35

Feeling a lot of conflicting emotions today. This morning felt calm just me and dd which was really different and nice. Work has been distracting. However, I’m beginning to feel sad- I feel like I’m editing out his bad points mentally and almost losing that feeling of anger and despair I had when I confronted him, and after he said all that shit about me and our marriage.
We are meant to be talking tomorrow but I have actually made other plans as I do not want to get sucked in. It feels like I am still jsut beginning to breathe. He texted me today saying that he would never take his ring off again, that getting married was the best thing that ever happened to him. But it’s jjst words and things are still so raw. Objectively I know someone who loved me would not be so hurtful and try so hard to shut me down. But it’s so easy to make me feel guilty and I’m questioning whether in fact I’m the stonewaller/punisher like he said. But then again objectively I know I’m not. I am a talker and solver, maybe sometimes to a fault but that’s who I am. I am a good partner and take on more than my share of that work (to the extent that I have literally noticed no difference from him
Not being around the house.)

Anyway I guess I’m having a tough day but I am trying to stay strong.

OP posts:
RueCambon · 30/09/2019 16:55

Oh no, please watch the clip about hoovering that i linked above.

This is going to be hard. But dont put yrslf through this repeatedly.

After all, if he can choose to start valuing you now when it is 5 minutes to a dollar short and a day too late, why has he not made that choice all along? Why was that not the way he wanted to treat you!

If he can chage, it only shows he was being an arsehole to you because it made him feel better and he thought you'd never leave.

I had to leave twice. I fell for the hoovering. You will be back here soon enough if you let him hoover you back in.

The only way they ever respect u is when they realise you will NEVER take them back.

DonKeyshot · 30/09/2019 17:09

I am a talker and solver, maybe sometimes to a fault but that’s who I am. I am a good partner

Hurrah for you, OP. The above are just a few of your good qualities and, sparse as they may be, they are the foundation stones on which you'll build your self-esteem.

You ARE a good partner and you deserve no less than a man who can match you in every respect. He's out there and I have no doubt he'll find you, or you'll find him, because what's for you won't pass you by.

And now, if you haven't done so already, remove that tempting pot of money from the greedy grasping arsehole's reach - I still can't get over the fact that you forked out £300 for you and dd to travel to see him when he was working away and he expected you to split the cost of a £100 a night hotel room.

Happynow · 30/09/2019 17:13

I'm sorry, I have to read and run. Is there a possibility your DH has Aspergers/HFA? Have a look into it and the effects on relationships ... there's plenty of stuff on the web and I think it will ring bells for you.

DonKeyshot · 30/09/2019 17:15

Anyone who is a 'talker and solver' cannot be a stonewaller or a punisher. Think about it...

RueCambon · 30/09/2019 17:19

Oh please, asperbers not an excuse for conscious withdrawal of communication as a form of punishment control. Why does somebody always pipe up with this?! 😞

Haffiana · 30/09/2019 17:21

Op, you have spent a significant portion of your life in a relationship with this man. It was a very bad relationship and you were forced into various patterns of learned behaviour in order to cope and in order to try to make sense of a damaged and irrational man.

You got used to feeling stressed and unhappy, and most importantly you got used to constantly craving for the short, good and peaceful moments. That is what you have lived on for so long, that has been your driving force - the desperate craving and hoping for a few good moments where your partner behaved normally towards you.

So now you have to come to terms all over again with who you actually are. You are not the person who was in that relationship, and you are having difficulty recognising yourself and even possibly you are no longer sure what you might think about and what you like doing.

And the real difficulty, paradoxically, is that you will really start to miss that craving for the normal moments. You have survived on that for so long and now it is gone and no longer needed. But you will still miss it, even though it was as a result of your misery.

This is where you are in most danger of going back to him. What you miss is that craving, not him and not the relationship. If you can see that then you will be able to be strong and to start to fill your life with great and wonderful things that are real. Each moment is a gift.

DonKeyshot · 30/09/2019 17:27

O jeez, there's always one who has to 'read and run' but, of course, they haven't read otherwise they'd know that what your dealing with is a nasty piece of work who doesn't have Aspergers/HFA or any other known mental health condition and that he gets off on stonewalling, punishing, groping, sulking etc because he has an abusive nature which may have been learned, but could just as easily have been acquired to keep you in your place which is, of course, subservient to him, OP.

If you feel yourself wavering think of your little dd. You may feel that you don't deserve more than this arsewipe, but she sure as hell does and she needs you to put her first and foremost and way above his golden cock him.

cacklingmags · 30/09/2019 17:32

He sounds like a gaslighting, controlling, abusive, hostile narcissist. I can see no point in this wanker at all. Get him out of your life asap - before you get pregnant. Men like this target women to abuse - total fucking scum - he needs to leave, now.

DonKeyshot · 30/09/2019 17:46

Listen to aunty mags, OP. She's nailed him Grin

YouJustDoYou · 30/09/2019 18:03

Oh, op- he's really done a number on you, hasn't he?

He - has conditioned you over the years to make sure YOU think YOU are the one at "fault".
He - mentally abuses you. Day in. Day out. He has twisted your worldview, your selfview, any view of anything until he has ensured you are emotionally dependant on him.
He- has destroyed, happily destroyed, any confidence in yourself and your own strength that you may have ever had.
He - uses you. To get you to say you need him. To use you as his personally emotional punching bag.
He - is nasty. Vile. Abusive. A bully. A coward (he wouldn't hiss those things at a work colleague, or his boss, would he?).
He is an ABUSIVE PILE OF SHIT WHO HAS MADE YOU BELIEVE YOU ARE NOTHING.

You are NOT nothing. You deserve a calm, gentle, peaceful, happy life with your daughter.

My dad did things like this. My mum stayed for years. The damage however to me and my sibling was complete- they tried to hide it, but he started taken his anger at my mother out on me. Don't let this abusive scum back in to your life. You deserve peace and happiness. Not to be mentally abused day in day out.

Zaphodsotherhead · 30/09/2019 19:02

Maybe I am so emotional and hard to deal with that he was driven to dislike me and so now he treats me like this

Do you know what nice, real men do when their partner is emotional and so-called 'hard to deal with'? They sit them down, tell them they've noticed their partner seems to be unhappy and stressed and ask if there is anything they need or want to talk about.

What they don't do is strop, sulk, march off home and generally behave like a Grade A Cunt.

And, just for the record, I don't believe you were emotional or hard to deal with. I think you were human and your H doesn't want a wife, he wants a piece of plastic.

oatmilk4breakfast · 30/09/2019 19:32

Wow just want to say, as I’m late to your thread, that you’ve done an amazing thing in getting away from this person and giving yourself space to breathe. Keep on ignoring the texts. Write down all the things you used to have to do around him and that he did to you and DD and the things that will help you keep the anger you need for a while to stay away! You’re doing brilliantly. X

billy1966 · 30/09/2019 19:32

So hostile and so vicious to you 80% of the time.
Always so determined to be upset or moody or unkind to you.
Couldn't get a child out to school.
He sounds like a really disgusting human being.

After saying all those awful things and desperately trying to grind you into the ground, you finally turned.

Now he's back tracking and trying to suck you back in.

He's disgusting scum.

Be done with him finally and move on.