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DH has driven me to despair

188 replies

treacletree · 26/09/2019 11:07

Hi everyone.

Long time lurker here. This morning I feel very bleak about my fairly new marriage and I desperately need someone to talk sense to me. Sorry because this is just word vomit and very long. I hop me it makes sense.

I guess I feel a bit like I’m going mad and I have no idea whether the problems are rooted in emotional issues I admit I have, or a fundamental incompatibility, or his issues, or all of those.. I guess I want to know if I am as much of a piece of shit as he makes me feel about 80% of the time. If so, then I want to change, I’m happy to change. The other 20% of our time is wonderful- affectionate, loving, full of jokes, adventures. But I just feel exhausted by the cycles we are in.

This morning he is being short with me over text (always a sure sign) and sat on the bed staring into space for about 45 mins while I rushed about getting my dd breakfast and ready for school, and showering and washing my hair. When I was out if the shower he stood there “checking me out”/trying to grope my bum as I got dressed and I said joking “dh I’m jsut trying to get ready here” (I feel very self conscious at the moment due to weight gain and skin flare up and i just wanted to get my clothes and makeup on without feeling looked at. Yes, I know maybe that’s weird- but jsut because he is dh doesn’t mean he gets to just leer when I’m not feeling it? Am I wrong? Anyway he accused me of being “nasty” and went off to sit on the bed. I then did all of dd breakfast, getting dressed, teeth and got myself ready, ended up rushing to work and being 5 mins late. Which has happened a lot lately- as I am there he tends to do very little now.

Extra Background: He used to be in charge of mornings but I changed my work hours to be there too- because regularly he would text or call me when I was already at work, saying dd (4.5) was being difficult and he “couldn’t” get her to get ready. Tactfully as possible I suggested that it would be nicer if we all went off together in the morning. In reality I changed my work hours (sacrificing an early finish) because it was incredibly stressful trying to do work in the morning knowing how incapable he was of getting him and dd out the door without getting cross and worked up. It caused a lot of fights so I now ensure everyone gets out the door in a better mood. With dd like a lot of things this amounts to strategies, praise, being firm but fair (she hates mornings.) He tends to just get cross and resort to threats of taking toys away, etc.

Anyway, he is now being off with me like I said. I apologised a couple of times, explained how I was feeling about myself and said I had never meant to be nasty. He just brushes this off like HE isn’t acting weird. I don’t really know what I’ve done so wrong. The only thing he has said to me today is that I need to split a hotel night with him for when me and dd came to visit him on his last work trip. I paid just under £300 for me and dd flights over, and he expensed that entire week except for the one hotel night (£100). I guess I thought that because I got the flights he would get the hotel night. Anyway, we are married. He also earns a third more than I do. It seems a little petty I suppose, and is definitely in the context of today’s “row”.

Anyway maybe that gives you a flavour of the type of situation we find ourselves in time and again. Generally it’s a misunderstanding that escalated into a full on row. Last week, when we were out as a family he made a comment about “when we move to the suburbs”. I turned around and (again trying to be jokey) was like “what? Since when are we moving to the suburbs?” He apparently thought I was pissed of and immediately accused me of spoiling the day. I was cross he would do this in front of dd (though he has before a lot) but explained that as he knows I never wanted to move to the suburbs of our city and I had jsut been surprised by what he said. He essentially got very angry and said I was trying to start an argument, it ended with him threatening to storm off and leave me and dd in this unfamiliar place. (He has also done this before, most memorably while we were on holiday in a foreign city I didnt know, when he had the keys to the hotel room.)

I try and try to talk to him about why we argue, why it escalates. It happens so much and I’m not playing down my role, it’s just that if I express a wish that he doesn’t like, or if I call him out on something, he gets really angry. Either I’m “nasty” or I’m “trying to start an argument as usual” or similar, and he goes to stonewalling. It makes me really upset. For a long time I imagined it was me being too emotional and I have been having weekly CBT counselling for the past 3 months (fitted around my busy job) to try and target emotional baggage I have. He previously said he would get counselling so he is better at emotional discussions, but he never has pursued this. I also try and send him articles on relationship conflict resolution if we have had a bad one and suggested we try and approach conflict better, but it’s always me initiating this.

Another thing that makes me uncomfortable recently is that he has accused me of being way too negative because I get “too angry” about issues that I care about which mainly revolve around child poverty and feminism. I do a bit of volunteering in these areas, read widely around them and sometimes I do get very passionate in saying my views. If I do, he will either not engage and will change the subject completely, or he will say he doesn’t think I should get too worked up because there’s nothing you can do. When that happens I feel lonely and wonder if I am actually an incredibly difficult person. We have always been quite different- I’m quite passionate and opinionated and he doesn’t take views on a lot of controversial topics, as in his family they never really talk about stuff like that. I never minded that he was this way, I guess I jsut now feel like it’s being used as a way to make me feel bad. Like I’m an angry, negative person. The other day I was talking about a rape case in the news and he just ignored all I said and when I asked what he thought he said he jsut didn’t see why I was getting so “angry”. But I wasn’t angry with anyone. I was just being me. I don’t know how not to be me, I’m in my thirties and I’ve never been made to feel wrong like this before.

Sometimes I feel like there’s no benefit to him being around. On a great day: he’s had enough sleep, had a good week at work, is excited about something coming up, maybe we had sex or something, DD is well behaved, I’ve made a plan for the day he is interested in. And then things are jsut so good. He’s engaged in the family, he’s joking and happy and doesn’t take things to heart, he’s lovely with dd. Our honeymoon was like this.
But then the reality is if most of these are not the case, he’s moody, unpredictable and easily irritated. I feel like the middle man trying to stop him and dd clashing. I begin to feel despondent then at some point I voice this and he gets quickly angry because I was “trying to start an argument again”. Jsut 2 weeks after our honeymoon a big row happened in this way.
On our worst days he has had me sobbing in public places while he refuses to forgive me or calm down from whatever it is. That hasn’t happened for a while. But it has happened more than once.

I know I am not perfect. I’ve had a string of failed relationships including dd’s Dad. I always put this down to me being difficult but through therapy I am a bit kinder to myself and can recognise I picked the wrong men since being a teenager shuttling between 2 EA households after a bad divorce. 2 of my 4 sex partners before dh sexually assaulted me and I never realised it for years after. When I met dh I had a young dd, had been a single mum and felt worthless. After about 6 months only he began to show unearned dominance around my house and my dd and it is a big regret that I didn’t shut him down. They do have a good relationship but to be honest I know their bond isn’t as strong as he thinks it is. Her bio dad has recently got back in contact and I have a feeling she will become more distant from dh if that relationship develops.

I also have a fear of having a child with dh. It makes me feel abnormal. When he is on a good day and being supportive he says all the right things- we will do what you want whenever you want, I’m here for you. But it’s not that I don’t want another child or that I think I couldnt even manage as a single mum, I know I can. It’s that I don’t want HIS child. I don’t know why. Ona very good day I think I do. But usually I just don’t.

Again though, is this just down to my emotional damage? I’m beginning to think that maybe I am not cut out for adult romantic relationships and I feel a strange sense of peace at that. I’ve never made them work. I’m married and I can’t make it work. I know he is not all bad but he can be a lot bad. So can I, but I don’t know if that means im all wrong. Maybe I’m just wrong with him. Or anyone.

If you got to the end, Thankyou. I have never voiced some of this stuff even to myself.

If you can share any wisdom or thoughts I would appreciate it a lot because I don’t think I can go on like this

OP posts:
Moffa · 27/09/2019 21:51

Definitely more therapy, read Lundy Bancroft’s book & do the freedom Programme. You are unhappy. Do something about it Flowers

treacletree · 27/09/2019 21:57

Thank you everyone. I sat down today and went through all my essential outgoings to show myself that I WOULD be ok even if we split tomorrow. As it happens, I would be ok with enough left over to keep saving too. For me this is quite a big thing to accept, and I have saved it on my phone to look at again over the weekend to build up my confidence. dd half term is in October and she’s going to stay with my mum anyway so I think this would be the right time to build up towards.
It feels real now: that me and dd just deserve better than this shit. I cannot be arsed with another tense weekend, morning or day at work worrying how to fix myself. I just feel like I have another, more difficult child. And I’m sick of being sad and turning it on myself.
I am seeing my mum on Sunday for a chat and I think I will tell her where I am with it as I am going to need the support going forward. thank you all for your tough to hear but wise words.
I feel like I have a little power back which honestly just feels so good.

OP posts:
AnotherEmma · 27/09/2019 22:00

Well said lazylinguist

AnotherEmma · 27/09/2019 22:00

OP glad you are planning to talk to your mum on Sunday, that will be a really positive step 👍

treacletree · 28/09/2019 16:57

Ugh.
I thought today would be ok as we were out all day at a thing dh had been looking forward to. However on the tube there he was playing with dd and she accidentally bumped his nose. He immediately went into a massive mood, then when he realised I was merrily getting on with things with dd at the museum, he started asking me “what’s wrong”. At first I jsut tried to brush it off but then I jsut said squarely to him: I do not want my dd to think stonewalling is normal. She did nothing wrong and you were out of order for treating us like that.
He then hissed that I had “RUINED” the day and said he was jsut going to go home. So I said ok. Managed to just about enjoy the rest of the day with dd and we had fun but it’s left me just numb now. How was that MY fault? Asserting a boundary made him
That angry? Tells me a hell of a lot that I need to know.

OP posts:
treacletree · 28/09/2019 16:58

Btw I meant that he actually did go home
At that point. And I enjoyed the day with dd.

OP posts:
Interestedwoman · 28/09/2019 17:13

Now you have even more proof he's a twunt. That's great- more motivation x

31RueCambon75001 · 28/09/2019 17:20

So everything has to have gone smoothly (including him having 'got' sex) for him to be in an OK mood.

Honestly OP, even though it's a new marriage, don't waste another minute trying to push water uphill. He's created this existence where YOU are desperately trying to please him - which must be nice for him. But it's shit for you.

You know this. You're not happy. It's just very hard culturally to walk away from a marriage. Imagine you had one year to live, would you stay or would you go? macabre but it helped me. I thought to myself ''if I were dying, I'd leave him and go and live with my parents'' and then I thought ffs I can leave him anyway.

31RueCambon75001 · 28/09/2019 17:23

Let that day alone be a snapshot of how much easier it is to be happy without this toxicity weighing you down. Blamers are a nightmare to be around. Because the only thing you can control is your behavior but they get angry if your child cries, if the can opener breaks, if there's no milk (your fault). Basically every tiny minor irritant and inconvenience is YOUR FAULT and it must be a great coping mechanism to have somebody there to blame for every tiny obstacle.

When you leave these tossers there's peace to be had just sitting there, having a cup of tea and not being blamed for the weather.

Moffa · 28/09/2019 20:36

Keep notes of all these events - they will help your resolve in future when you remember how unhappy his behaviour makes you.

@31RueCambon75001 that is a good thought process. I used to wonder what would happen if I got really ill. When I had bad tonsillitis, the DC & I stayed with my parents. Says it all really.

I’m 6 months out & have never looked back Flowers

Shoxfordian · 28/09/2019 21:06

He's an abusive knobhead
His moods are going to affect your dd too
Leave him as soon as you can
Can you call womens aid?

Cherrysoup · 29/09/2019 00:16

He sounds horrible.

WhoKnewBeefStew · 29/09/2019 07:44

I left my marriage within a year because of emotional abuse like this. I was horrified and thought everyone would judge me. Actually once I told those close and important to me what had been happening, they were so lovely and helpful, I wished I'd done it sooner. The only thing holding me back
From leaving was I was embarrassed to have my marriage end so soon. Leave OP, you'll be all the better for it.

treacletree · 29/09/2019 10:12

Last night when dd was at my sisters and I went home, I confronted him. I wanted to finally get angry not jsut sad about the stonewalling. I wanted to make him see how it hurt me.
He took his ring off, told me he was “done”, it wasn’t his “problem” anymore. Said among other things that I’m a “terrible partner” who doesn’t listen to him, that he had a dream the previous night where he was single and woke up feeling “bummed” that he was married to me, that our marriage was a “mistake”. I was just shocked and tried to say I’m your wife- if you’ve felt all this why don’t you talk to me? He just went “not for long” (in regards to me being his wife.)
It just unravelled and he ended up saying that in fact he felt like he was a terrible person incapable of being happy, that he didn’t deserve my love, that he still loved me. I didn’t beg him to stay btw- I was furious and upset and hurt but I said everything I’ve felt including all the stuff on this post.

I decided to sleep in my dd’s room as I felt so confused and this morning we have not spoken yet. I can’t speak tbh. I am so hurt by the things he said and the way he treated our marriage like nothing.

My mum is coming in 2 hours and we are going to talk. Please virtually hold my hand. I don’t want to beg him to stay. I don’t want someone who doesn’t want to be with me, to be here. I still love him and it is killing me that he’s that unhappy because of me. I just feel frozen. I never thought he would be so cold.

OP posts:
31RueCambon75001 · 29/09/2019 10:18

You are going to be better off without him. Well done for initiating the split. Cheek of him. Taking off his ring - little drama brat.

31RueCambon75001 · 29/09/2019 10:23

Do not beg him to stay. His self esteem is damaged and he must get by instead on temporary boosts to his ego such as causing you upset by not taking to you for days on end, or next from you begging him to stay. That would make him feel piwerful.

You deserve better than a man who wont talk to you for days on end, repeatedly.

Let him go. Tell him to go in fact.

The pain isnt all pain. So it wont continue. That feeling of pain is shock, adjustment, withdrawal (from the source of anxiety producing 'partner).

You are in the 'fog' right now but believe me, you wont miss this.

treacletree · 29/09/2019 10:23

It all keeps going through my head. Terrinle partner. I do everything, everything for him and us. All cleaning, shopping, meal planning, half the cooking, home admin, holiday stuff, appointments, planning days out and dates, Xmas and birthdays, finances, I planned our dream wedding and honeymoon. I accommodate his moods and triggers (eg taking over all the getting ready routine in the mornings as he couldn’t handle it). I do listen to him. I love talking and listening about all sorts, from our relationship to the news, tv, our shared interest. More often than not he abruptly ends any conversation whether it’s about feelings or not or just gets so obviously disinterested. I leave him little notes whenever he travels for work, buy him little things he would like, always initiate plans he would like. I am affectionate and kind.
I feel like a fucking failure.

OP posts:
katalavenete · 29/09/2019 10:28

Why isn't it killing you that he's abusing you? And your daughter? You should feel hurt and angry about that.

He's unhappy that you're breaking free of his control and taking his power away. That's abuse not love. (Abusers aren't monsters, they have moments where they seem lovely - that's how they trap people).

The Freedom Programme will really help you come to terms with all of this and feel stronger - they won't tell you what to do, you don't have to leave him before you can do the course: www.freedomprogramme.co.uk

Honestly though, I really hope you find the strength and love of yourself to make him leave. You and your daughter shouldn't be living like this, you deserve so much better.

It was lovely to read your stood your ground, defended your daughter against him, shown her it was wrong to treat anyone like that, and then had a good day together. Imagine how much better life would be for her and you without all this.

You can talk to Women's Aid on 0808 2000 247.

WhoKnewBeefStew · 29/09/2019 10:29

You're not the failure OP, just re-read your last post and see what you do for him, then ask yourself what does he do for you?

He's conditioned you to feel a failure by his constant put downs. This is NOT your fault. The one thing he said that's right is that he doesn't deserve you!

katalavenete · 29/09/2019 10:30

I feel like a fucking failure.

You are not a failure. You are a kind, thoughtful person who was been horrendously abused for a very long time by people who should have loved her, cared for her and protected her. I am so sorry for that.

Please do the Freedom Programme, it really will help you understand this is not your fault and see what life would have been like with a partner who loved you.

31RueCambon75001 · 29/09/2019 10:30

All of his accusations, you can consider them to be confessions

You were too good to hm and along the way you lost sight of your own line in the sand.

He will turn things back around sion i predict. He will see that you have actually come close to having had enough of his bullshit and he will think "shit is she not begging me to stay?" then he will do switcheroo, from him leaving you the conversation will be a list of all of your faults. That is what will be discussed endlessly. 🤷‍♀️
Shut down that shit.

Whatever he accuses you of shrug. Tell him you are done discussing yr "faults".

You bend over backwards too far. You are a peoplepleaser so his silences torture you and he knows this.

TheAlternativeTentacle · 29/09/2019 10:31

Please, tell him to fuck off.

He is not a nice man.

Herocomplex · 29/09/2019 10:32

He’s spotted that you’re standing up for yourself and he’s ended it? He’s just a coward.

He’s not worth your time, you and your DD don’t deserve this crap. I’m so sorry he’s put you through this, you will be happier when he’s gone. Look after yourself.

31RueCambon75001 · 29/09/2019 10:33

Ps agree with suggestion to do freedom programme.

CandyLeBonBon · 29/09/2019 10:46

Oh op this has been a heartbreaking read. I have been where you are. You are better off on your own. Don't cave. You are not a failure.