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Can you drive someone to an affair?

139 replies

Ididit2019 · 24/09/2019 23:24

Just this above question really

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tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 25/09/2019 10:54

Not what you have written does make sense and I can see how some people, at the start of that process, would want to avoid breaking up their family. Of course as the scenario unfolds it all smacks of self indulgence anyway. Because the minute you step foot into affair territory you have pressed the countdown button on a bomb that is probably going to tear your family apart at some point.

Life isn't just black and white and being in a love/sexless relationship is soul destroying. That person still makes a choice to stray though.

EKGEMS · 25/09/2019 11:07

Freshwater bay 😂😂😂😂

Ididit2019 · 25/09/2019 12:01

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz that's so true because when I was putting my all into trying to make the marriage work he was responding by shutting me down and looking elsewhere. It's funny but when he was cheating he was actually nicer and more loving with me. I have never understood that-why was he like that?

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Ididit2019 · 25/09/2019 12:04

That was even more deceitful for me because I never knew if he was being nice to me because he realised how badly he was treating me but actually because he had someone on side and life was happy again. It wasn't because of guilt but more a there's an outlet for him. He should have left the marriage than deceived me on multiple occasions.

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Jabbercocky · 25/09/2019 12:05

Yes you can.

SunshineAngel · 25/09/2019 12:07

Firstly, I haven't read the full thread, so please nobody jump on me for that.

This is a difficult question.

In my opinion..

Being unhappy with your partner can certainly cause somebody to have an affair, there's no doubt about the fact that many affairs would not have happened if the person had been happy. BUT that is an incredibly immature way of dealing with things. Sometimes the other partner doesn't even know their behaviour is bothering their partner, because they never bother to bloody tell them! It's grown up and mature to talk to your partner about being unhappy, and if you're really unhappy, leave. Not just go out and shag someone else.

So I think that yes, you can drive someone to an affair, but only if that someone is really bad at communicating, and also has an immature and selfish attitude towards relationships.

Teddybear45 · 25/09/2019 12:08

No. People drive themselves into having affairs by having no self-control and no courage to end relationships they aren’t happy with

MyCatHatesEverybody · 25/09/2019 12:25

I suspect you're doing what I did when I was with my abusive ex - minimising his abusive behaviours because you're measuring them against a benchmark of "well at least he doesn't hit me/get drunk/[insert other big ticket dealbreaker here]."

He's unquestioningly abusive and treating you as if he has authority over you rather than as an equal partner, which is why you're questioning whether you've tried hard enough to please him and "driving" him to an affair. Where is his concern for pleasing you (if he's anything like my ex then he'll be into big gestures which cost money but no actual time or effort for him i.e. easy peasy and a way to show the public he loves you soooo much).

Ididit2019 · 25/09/2019 12:33

MyCatHatesEverybody completely and utterly-lots of expensive gifts as image was so important. But behind closed doors it was dismissive and cold.

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Ididit2019 · 25/09/2019 12:35

What other traits did your ex have my cat if you don't mind me asking?

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MerryDeath · 25/09/2019 13:11

absolutely not. you can have a bad relationship because of the behaviour within it but the decision to start an affair is 100% on the shagger.

this sounds like standard idiot man
logic. good luck to you in your better life without him.

FinallyHere · 25/09/2019 13:20

I didn't show him enough love, attention or support.

I hope you have dumped this pathetic excuse for a human being

to try and salvage and mend our marriage.

Why on earth would you be prepared to give him another chance ?

I'm very sorry, but all of those examples are terrible and abusive. I am very concerned about you if that is not clear to you. The idea that these are the minor things I find horrifying.

Please, please, please get in touch with https://www.womensaid.org.ukk* and also have a look at https://www.freedomprogramme.co.uk

Do you have anywhere you could go, to be safe? Get away, as fast as you can. Do not start a family with him, as that would make you even more vulnerable.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 25/09/2019 13:36

Is this behaviour a reaction to a person that their respect and love for has dissipated or these characteristics inherent?

Personally I believe it's inherent, since someone with a decent moral code wouldn't behave like this in the first place

There's also the point that narcissists are unable form the sort of normal relationships most expect, so rather than losing respect and empathy for their partner, it's likely they never really felt it in any significant way. Their only real interest is themselves, you see; there's no remorse arising from the needs of others because in the narcissist's mind they're best an irritation and at worst an irrelevance which detracts from their own self obsession

I once asked my counsellor if narcissits could "recover", and though I'll probably put it badly her answer was basically this: they can't recover because that would take a great deal of work, and if they were prepared to do that sort of work they wouldn't be a narcissist in the first place

Cath2907 · 25/09/2019 13:48

No. My husband and I had a really rough few years with little affection and virtually no sex. There was no violence or abuse - we just grew apart, checked out and struggled to connect. We eventually split up and finally divorced. Neither of us cheated. We tried to work through it and ultimately failed. You can have a shit relationship and live in it whilst trying to fix it or even just trying to bear it without going off and having an affair!

Ididit2019 · 25/09/2019 14:12

Puzzledandpissedoff: Your post explains alot of things about why he behaved how he did which I couldn't understand why someone would be that unkind. But he had elements of narcissm in terms of lack of respect, empathy and remorse. The fact he didn't put the work in but instead chose to have affairs for temporary gratification instead of focusing on building long term with myself and for the sake of our children.

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MyCatHatesEverybody · 25/09/2019 14:30

@Ididit2019 Sorry this is going to be long! My ex isolated me from friends and family, told me what I should or shouldn't be wearing, eating, watching or listening to (as in tv/music), insisted on driving me everywhere and picking me up, controlled all the finances despite us both working full time and me earning more than he did, he spent money on big items for himself but I had to ask him before spending say a fiver on a CD, he'd happily gossip with his friends and family but I was always the last one to know anything. He'd complain if I didn't dress up in "sexy" outfits when we had sex. I was responsible for all of the housework but once every 3-4 months he'd do a deep clean of just one room and tell me off for not cleaning to that standard throughout the house every week. None of this was an overt "you are not allowed to do xyz" but he made my life hell if I refused to comply, or he scared me into submission (e.g. if I don't control our finances then our mortgage payment might bounce if we lose track of what's being spent and we'll lose the house).

Personality wise my ex is the type of person where everyone who knows him superficially thinks he's a charming, well mannered and generous man. He'd surprise me with things like a giant teddy bear sitting in the passenger seat of the car when he picked me up from work. Or ringing the doorbell and I'd open it to find a present on the doorstep. I now realise that he was being generous to me with my own money but at the time I was brainwashed into thinking well it's family money therefore he's choosing to spend it on me, isn't he lovely, rather than me recognising I should have had the autonomy to control my finances like the adult I was (I've never been in debt or spent recklessly). Also any big gestures were always followed up the next day by him asking "what did your friends at work say when you told them about it?" But at the time it was these thrilling romantic things that made me think that deep down he cared for me. We had a lovely house, enjoyable jobs, he didn't drink or do drugs or raise his fist to me (although he shoved me up against a wall once but I airbrushed that out as me provoking him - yes I know now he was 100% in the wrong with that).

My lightbulb moment came when my GP referred me for counselling because I was suffering from depression. At first exH forbade me to go dismissing it as "left wing nonsense" but eventually I went anyway because I was feeling so shit. Halfway through a session the counsellor asked me something about my husband - I can't quite remember what - and I stated he'd do anything for me. She looked me in the eye and said "but he refused to drive you here." For some reason that one sentence made me realise that everything about my life was on ExH's terms, even the good stuff. I went from feeling looked after and protected to realising that it was all about control and that everything stemmed from his lack of respecting me as his equal. No one thing had been bad enough in my eyes to leave but it had been death by 1000 cuts - I left him not long after and unsurprisingly my depression disappeared. I'm now remarried to a man who doesn't do the big gestures but every day I feel respected, supported, loved and I don't have to tread on eggshells with him, ever. It's a revelation tbh.

LolaSmiles · 25/09/2019 14:36

I think persistent unhappiness in a relationship can create a climate for an affair to happen. I also think some behaviours increase the likelihood of an affair (eg always on their case, paranoid about friends, wanting to keep tabs, not listening to each other).

I can imagine if you're unhappy in a relationship, someones always on your case, wanting to know where you are, not engaging when you try to share how suffocating it is, then it could be very easy for a trusted friendship to become something more because the emotional needs that would normally be met in a relationship are gradually being met outside. I've seen that happen a couple of times.

I don't think anyone can argue they were driven to an affair.

Ididit2019 · 25/09/2019 15:02

14:36LolaSmiles
I can imagine if you're unhappy in a relationship, someones always on your case, wanting to know where you are, not engaging when you try to.
This was our relationship but in reverse. But it never even once occurred to me to cheat.
14:30MyCatHatesEverybody
That sounds awful-emotional and financial abuse. The part about how others perceive him resonates. Everyone sees him as charming, funny and friendly too. Classic textbook stereotype I guess.

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LolaSmiles · 25/09/2019 15:10

Because ultimately to cheat is a decision someone makes to overstep a boundary, cross a line. Nobody is driven to cheat and nobody makes their partner cheat. That's the decision of the cheater.

There's also different cheating I think. All harmful, all a betrayal but likely to come about in different ways.

A friendship that turns to an emotional affair that may/may not turn sexual probably has a different journey to happening than, for example, workplace flirting, lots of sexual tension, straight to bed.

I can see how the former happens when someone seeks friendly support due to relationship issues but things get blurred over time. The second I can't see how current relationship issues contribute as to me that's black and white, fancying each other and sleeping together because you think you can.

peonyfairy03 · 25/09/2019 16:55

My Ex blamed me for his numerous affairs. I didn’t dress up enough, I love the children more than him, I’m not educated enough, I’m boring, the list goes on.

Ididit2019 · 25/09/2019 21:23

Why is it these kind of people land on their feet? I left him a year ago. He has since met someone, is engaged and is doing days out here and there with her little girl. He used to refuse to go anywhere with me and our dc, telling me to take them alone instead.

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NewMe2019 · 25/09/2019 21:43

Not in your case, but yes, I do believe the actions of a partner can drive the other to an affair.

I know someone who's H wouldn't touch her. The relationship was totally sexless for years. He wouldn't do a single thing about it. She had an affair and I don't blame her at all. She didn't really hide it and it was discovered very quickly and they split.

I know someone else who desperately tried to fix their long term relationship. Many different ways. None of it was reciprocated and all efforts were just ignored. Eventually that person said they were done trying and don't be surprised if they looked elsewhere one day. The partner still did and said nothing, and yep, affair happened and I don't blame that person either.

I didn't want a physical relationship with my ex for a long time before we finally split. I have no proof but I suspect something was going on and I did find some things which pointed to cheating. I honestly don't blame him. We weren't right for each other and had an unhappy relationship.

LolaSmiles · 25/09/2019 21:45

OP
Because they're in best behaviour mode.
It's much easier to be the shiny "you" with someone new, they've walked into a ready made family unit, gets to be prince charming and play dad some of the time (and get gold stars for doing it - how many threads on MN do we see of women saying how their new DP is such a good dad to their DC, so much better than their child's actual dad). He hasn't had to support a pregnant partner, has avoided the newborn stage, if their fiance's girl sees her dad then they get regular breaks from parenting and it's just them as a couple. He can be doting partner and still get his down time.

It can't last OP. The selfishness you experienced is still there because it's a personality thing. It'll just reveal itself later (I'm going to guess when they have a child together).

That probably makes me sound bitter and cynical, but I think it's easy for some men to play happy families with new partner and child.

mynewbeamer · 25/09/2019 21:48

None of it is your fault, you cannot drive a man to be abusive or to be unfaithful - either someone is willing to behave in that way or they aren't, it is entirely down to them.

Why is it these kind of people land on their feet? I left him a year ago. He has since met someone, is engaged and is doing days out here and there with her little girl. He used to refuse to go anywhere with me and our dc, telling me to take them alone instead people like your exdh are often incredibly charming, disarming, socially competent, so they win over others. He will do to her what he did to you - in my experience that has been true 100 percent of times. They are not yet married. You are out of it and lucky. All you need to do is work out why you put up with it, your self esteem. And make sure your dc learn to do relationships and friendships properly. There are lovely loving men out there.

Ididit2019 · 25/09/2019 22:00

NewMe2019 did he go on to a happier marriage else where and you?

New beamer and smiles: thank you so much for your posts, you don't know how much I really needed to hear that right now. He was always so charming and was good with me for the first 18months of dating, although there were big flutterings of what was to come I was swept along. I expect he will be the same with her sooner or later but then can't help but think that maybe it was me he just treated badly, something in me that made him have disdain and a lack of respect. And he won't be like that with others.

But can someone that displayed the traits and behaviours that he did change to that extent because they are more compatible with a different partner?

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