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Third (and final) thread - C nonsense

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JaysusWept · 21/09/2019 21:59

Unbelievable that this is the 3rd thread and still nothing has been resolved.
I wasn’t going to start this one but if anything good comes out of this shite it will be a Glasgow/Scotland MN meet up!

I know folk laugh at all the ‘DAILY MAIL MAY NOT USE THIS’ stuff, but here’s me giving the scummy DM permission to use this 👋

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Thegrasscouldbegreener · 22/09/2019 15:09

you the text was sent to op a few days ago. Although C has been ‘off’ but nice enough for the last few weeks. This has only just happened. And you can bet your last pound everyone at school will know by Monday.

If op doesn’t say anything, people will assume the lies are true. They are unlikely to ask her directly given they aren’t friends. Op is defenceless, and C is free to continue unabated and unchallenged.

youarenotkiddingme · 22/09/2019 15:11

I can't believe all the people on this thread talking about "clearing your name" and "silence being taken as an admission of guilt". That's nonsense. I think it says more about them that they'd believe and act upon spiteful gossip.

^this

No one who believes the whole tale is worth your time either.

youarenotkiddingme · 22/09/2019 15:13

The grass. The original 'accidental' text was sent on 11/12th sept when thread 1 started.

It's escalated since then. It will continue to escalate until someone disengages.

It takes two sides to have an argument.

Let her have it alone in an empty room - which if there's any justice that's where she'll end up

Thegrasscouldbegreener · 22/09/2019 15:14

I would follow bees message to the class, then completely disengage.
That way other parents will be aware of the lies, this should be protect your creditability at school.

Move on without another word. State the truth and cut the oxygen.

PicsInRed · 22/09/2019 15:24

Bee's message is brilliant.

These sorts of people, psychopaths, rely on your fear of fronting up to embarrassing, horrifying lies/blackmail/etc and use a victim's mortified silence against them - as evidence of guilt.

Fighting it head on is all that's left. Leaving the school is then the last resort. Silence allows people to assume that the overt victim surrounded by nodding, sympathetic heads is the true victim and therefore OP is a villain.

Crush it. Do or die.
At least, worst case scenario, you walk away having publicly defended your reputation. This will be remembered when C eventually fucks up too far and her house of cards implodes.

Inishoo · 22/09/2019 15:29

Can I ask if anyone has ever sent such a message to a class list in such a heightened and dysfunctional situation?

If so how did it pan out?

sheshootssheimplores · 22/09/2019 15:36

Ducking hell. I’ve just read your last message. I swear the woman is a psychopath.

Biancadelrioisback · 22/09/2019 15:36

What about you just going round to C's and just having it out? Make sure your phone is on record but just have it all out. Won't fix anything but might stop her from taking it further

sheshootssheimplores · 22/09/2019 15:36

My phone doesn’t like swearing 🙄

tvdinnertracks · 22/09/2019 15:37

Good Lord. People should stop trying to wind op up with ridiculous suggestions.

Cecilandsnail · 22/09/2019 15:39

I was all for dignified silence but I actually think Bee's message is perfect. If the playground gossip mum knows about this shit show then you can guarantee that she's merrily fanning the flames of drama. One very clear and non dramatic statement like this would be good. Shit stirring drama types like C rely on embarrassment, silence and gossip so I think this would cut through the rumour mill like a knife. Ok there might be a bit of a short term gossip storm but if I read a message like this in my school WA I'd probably listen out in tbe playground for the whole story (because I'm nosy!) but I would be believing of the sender given it's such a strong yet dignified statement and forget all about it within the week.

Thegrasscouldbegreener · 22/09/2019 15:44

Yes a good friend of mine did this when her husband left her for another woman (someone at school in a lower year) she said something along the lines to stop all the rumours, her and dh had agreed to separate, and she would be grateful if people would give them privacy so that they could tell their children.
She was sent so many cards, texts and flowers and offers of help. It did kill the rumours stone dead. Everyone felt awful for her, and the gossip stopped.

Thegrasscouldbegreener · 22/09/2019 15:52

C is a psychopath you will never bear her, she will do whatever it takes. Send a message like Bees and you will most likely get the following reactions:

  1. I don’t care about school drama (eye roll and delete) will not involve herself

  2. wow that sounds awful for op. I will know to listen out for the story and to ignore it. Maybe she could do with a coffee

  3. I will decide after I have heard Cs side, and depending on my own social life and connections I will do what is best for me ( but won’t necessarily believe C) but may just go along with it

  4. I think I’ll stay out of it

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 22/09/2019 15:53

Whether the OP decides to make a statement on FB, or tell people directly, or say nothing is up to her.

But it would be a really big mistake to go around to C's house. REALLY big. As I've said before, that's the sort of step that would invite suggestions of intimidation and threats of police involvement and restraining orders.
I'm not kidding, I've known it happen to 2 people I know. C is not going to back down, she's not going to apologise, she's not going to accept that she's done anything wrong or lied or anything. She Doesn't Care.
This has all been deliberate (apart from the initial error-sent text).

Inishoo · 22/09/2019 15:59

I don’t see that as a comparable situation at all Thegrass. That sounds like a relatively clearcut (although painful) situation and standard action was taken in standard circumstances to quash standard gossip. I applaud your friend and the school communities responses.

However thats not what’s happening here. The dynamic and characters are off the scale toxic. It would be like red rag to a bull.
C would go nuclear - for years and years.

Inishoo · 22/09/2019 16:00

Do not shame or shake the fragile ego of narc.

DishingOutDone · 22/09/2019 16:05

Just read all 3 threads. This could happen to anyone, male or female, in any setting - simply awful. Everyone has lots of suggestions - I do think you need to counter it every time someone says something e.g., woman in playground (but if no one mentions it then of course, that's a good thing).

If you do speak to anyone, introduce a hint of legal action? E.g., "oh yes that's rubbish, all lies - awful isn't it. But when it goes to court C will need to produce messages - did you know you can recover them even if deleted - yeah so that'll be interesting. Anyway, never mind all that, must dash bye"

And just leave that there. But my heart goes out to you. I've had similar but not as damaging, it will literally run its course but people like C never seem to get their comeuppance.

ValerianV · 22/09/2019 16:10

Posting anything on a school page or involving teachers is a terrible idea, I'm glad the OP won't be taking that advice.

It's brutal dealing with the Cs of this world and if you've never experienced it, it's easy to imagine how you would deal with it.

The OP is doing the right thing. If/when it affects her DD then she will decide how to deal with that particular issue at the time, trying to pre-empt a C can backfire spectacularly as they are so unpredictable.

Coming off social media or dumping the alphabet friends right away isn't always the best idea either, seeing/hearing certain things (even if it's hurtful) can help you evaluate the situation, whereas not knowing what is going on can have your imagination running wild.

I took the dignified silence approach and only discussed it if someone else brought it up, it worked for me. My C was given enough rope and she grabbed it with gusto and eventually done the job for me.

Witchinaditch · 22/09/2019 16:17

This is bananas

youarenotkiddingme · 22/09/2019 16:22

I'll try and explain why the email could make things worse using my experience.

Currently there is the assumption that because 1 gossipy mum has latched on then other parents have also.
Many may not even know who the OP is.

C escalated because K D and M questioned the FB messages. She needed to quickly escalate to drag them back to her side.

How does this happen? It's purely giving 'word' to things.

Any word spoken or typed is open to the interpretation of the reader. What you intend and what they perceive can often be different - even only very slightly.

By typing a message you are giving words to the situation. Words people can interpret how they like. But most importantly words that give C more ammunition. She is then able to take you word and twist it to her own agenda.

In my situation I'm not 1 to post on SM. I'll tell people what I'm up to if they ask or what I've been up to if I ask.
My C was using my sons medical issues as a weapon (encouraging me to talk about them in detail and then picking apart what I said shoving her own examples of how I'm exaggerating in). I gave her that ammunition.
I also took her 4 times after work (I worked FT and she was SAHM) to sort out a family pet. Mutual friends knew this. But only because she told them, posted publicly on FB with gushing thank you texts tagging me or because when asked I said I'd been to see pet with C and how cute it was (C can't drive).

One day a mutual friend asked me if I was free and I said C and I had plans to meet and I was waiting for her to give a time she'd be ready. If she wanted to join I'd let her know plans when I did.
My C then text this friend saying all sorts of things about me. Friend was Hmmafter our communication but didn't disbelieve it totally. Began questioning and then going back to C (unknown to me) and c twisted it all to me being the bad guy. She even dragged in loads of mutual acquaintances and made out I'd done and said things I hadn't.

4 days later C posted something on FB along the lines of kids having forgotten who I am already as I can't be bothered and no one has a right to waltz in and out of her kids lives and the only contact she's had the past 3 weeks is because I wanted to see the pet. (I seriously didn't!)

People began texting me (even they knew who she was getting at). All I replied to things like
"Was that fab post about you?" Is "seems to be"
"What are you going to do/say" Is "nothing"
"Why aren't you commenting" is "because it's a public forum and I'm not into that. Plus I know truth and that won't change".

I never even engaged in those asking. I left everyone wondering what I was up to and how I was feeling about the situation. Initially C then panicked. I assume it's panic. She didn't know what was happening and she'd lost control. She had no more ammunition from me via my own word or anyone else's.

Eventually people started to see C for what she was. Fell over themselves to friend me because they knew I could be trusted. But I kept them all at arms lengths with short non commits and non emotional responses. I'd meet for coffee if I felt like it but again refused to get embroiled in any conversations around C.

Of course I wonder what was said to others who I lost contact with and of course I wish I could set the record straight.

I also wish after the vile things she said about me inventing ds difficulties she somehow now found out he has a very rare neurological genetic disorder.

But what's the point?

I now have a much wider circle of friends, I'm involved in a committee with endless amounts of volunteers wanting to help me (because I treat people well!).

And I know through the grape vine that C is on her 8th group of cronies in the 5 years since this happens and is more and more isolated and lonely.

Serves her right Wink

FantasticButtocks · 22/09/2019 16:28

The new FB photo on her dh's page will have been added by C as part of this campaign. Because she's actually cast aspersions on her own husband's reputation with her lies, and by saying she kicked him out because he was lying. So now she's dialling it back a notch. 'We are all lovey dovey now and sorted after this trouble Jaysus has brought to us...'

Husband probably has no clue wtf is going on. C will have told him Jaysus is making trouble for her, and has an obsession with him, and that he's not to associate with you again.

Maybe a simple plan would be - to just utilise your annoying laugh Grin now if anybody else talks to you about/refers to any aspect of this now. And just have a very simple phrase up your sleeve like 'I know! The whole thing is just laughable, I'm steering clear of this little group of nutters. Anyway, are you going to the ' and just stick with that. Say no more about it.

(And a fanciful and very wicked thought... It would be hilarious if a thousand or so complete randomers now messaged husband on FB along the lines of 'hey Hotstuff, heard you were looking for a way out of a dire situation, well look no further etc...')Grin

NigellaAwesome · 22/09/2019 16:55

@FantasticButtocks - or inundate him with a thousand plumbing double entendres Grin

NigellaAwesome · 22/09/2019 16:58

I wouldn't send any e-mails or discuss any further. I think the cease & desist could backfire massively.

If anyone approaches you about it, I would tend to say that 'poor C thinks her DH is having an affair. I have no idea if he is or not, but it certainly isn't with me.' Then change the subject.

ValerianV · 22/09/2019 17:11

I don't think I could be bothered going this far but maybe something for @JaysusWept to keep in mind if things escalate.

If deleted FB messages can be recovered and that includes outgoing ones, could you get a tech savvy neutral person to recover your own deleted messages with one of the alphabets present? It would prove they were never sent from your account.

I don't believe there ever were messages and I think C is just a nasty cunt but to play devil's advocate - could someone have cloned your FB account and messaged her DH from it?

Derbee · 22/09/2019 17:13

And a fanciful and very wicked thought... It would be hilarious if a thousand or so complete randomers now messaged husband on FB along the lines of 'hey Hotstuff, heard you were looking for a way out of a dire situation, well look no further etc...

YES! Happy to send him a couple of messages asking for advice on ballcocks Grin

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