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I feel like my marriage is falling apart

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Sayhellotothethings · 26/08/2019 04:46

It is breaking me to post about this but I need to speak to people who are impartial and don't know what else to do. I feel so alone.

DH and I have been together for 10 years with a very happy relationship, married for 3 of them.
Since we have had a baby, things have changed. I feel like my husband isn't there sometimes and I'm talking to someone else that is emotionally distant. Our baby is 3 months old so early days, I know.

Background - our baby was very much wanted. I was diagnosed with an illness that would likely effect my ability to have children over time, so we decided to ttc a couple of years earlier than planned. A joint decision. One MC and a year later, I fell pregnant with our LO. He was happy about it.

Fast forward to me at about 8 months pregnant and he revealed he had been anxious about completely losing our relationship, and some freedom. I asked what he meant and he said the ability to go to the gym after work, or go on date nights. We talked through everything and he told me he felt better.

We are now where we are. I thought things were fine. He is a great dad, he loves our baby and does his share. But he told me that he feels 'dead behind the eyes' when I ask how he is feeling now, he loves us all individually but put together he isn't happy. I say us because there is a dog included in this, that he is now saying I pressurised him in to getting (although we applied to adopt him together...apparently him putting in place specific requirements for a type of rescue dog was his way of trying to stop it happening, instead of sticking with 'no').

I have asked him what it is that he isn't happy with, and he says he doesn't know. He doesn't know what he wants to change. He misses our life pre-baby but says he wouldn't change having one and loves her.

I do a lot to support his feelings and he acknowledges I can't do much more - he goes to the gym to wind down several times a week after work, I do 80% of night feeds, he has been out with friends. We have been on a date night and have the option of going on another soon if we want.
He said he was finding the hassle of walking the dog so much a problem because it meant he wasn't getting a lot of down time after work (health issues when pg meant I couldn't and I have only recently recovered from child birth). I took this on board and now do more of it.

He mentioned wanting to go on holiday together spontaneously (which we have never done) so I suggested I book something for us, then he says no because of money. We can afford to go, though. Now he is saying we should book something again.

He says that he has spent our time together trying to make me happy because that is all he wants, and maybe the decisions he has made haven't been right for him, as in an ideal world we wouldn't have a dog or have had a child just yet. In every big step of our life e.g. having a child, I kept making sure doors for conversation were open and made sure it was something we both wanted before even coming off birth control.

The latest is that he said he was going to spend a night away in a hotel to clear his head. I asked what he intended to do there and he said swim, have dinner, chill out. This reads to me as run away from his family and test the waters of being alone. He says this isn't the case as if he wanted to leave he would have just packed his bags.
He felt strongly that he needed to do this so I ended up packing bags for me, the dog, the baby, and have stayed with a family member overnight (if he wants his alone time I'm not sitting back and feeling like crap on his terms, on my own whilst he has a swim...). I asked him what he wanted to get out of doing that, he said he was hoping for a bad nights sleep and to make sense of his thoughts.

I have suggested couples therapy which he is open to. He thinks he would benefit from counselling on his own, but unfortunately this having a night away thing has dented things for me and I think we need to look at reconnecting together.
We had already been through this and he told me things were ok, so I feel like I can't trust that if he says it again.

He went to the GP regarding depression which they did not think he had, and said he was just struggling with the lifestyle change of having a baby.

I'm not sure what else to do. I love him dearly and we have the most amazing life. He even agrees, we have everything. But he is unhappy with it and can't put his finger on why. I feel like my marriage is crumbling and I am losing my best friend.

And no, he isn't having an affair. I've already had the discussion.

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Sayhellotothethings · 26/08/2019 08:53

What exactly is this man proposing that you do or no do to resolve this?

No idea. I don't even think he knows, because he doesn't know what he wants. I think that's what he thought he would achieve by having a night to himself. In a way I'm glad he got that on my terms and not his, although I wonder if I will get home and it will still be his intention.

He isn't able to put his finger on his problem which doesn't help.

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Sayhellotothethings · 26/08/2019 08:55

Natasha4767 I don't think so, he has protein shakes but that is it

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Sayhellotothethings · 26/08/2019 08:57

Thank you all so much for taking the time to reply to me. I don't have many people to talk to about this so I really appreciate it.

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prawnsword · 26/08/2019 08:58

OP a clue if I am wrong or right here - ask him what he expected out of fatherhood? What did he envision ? I bet he says
-kodak moments of soccer ball kicking & school plays

  • walking daughter down the aisle
-passing on his name & legacy
  • playing with his grandkids one day

or some other surface level stuff that had zero to do with actually raising a child & having a real family. If he has an ounce of maturity in him he will come to understand that he might just only bond with older kids & suck it up, bury this deep down & give it some counselling & real time (at least till toddler & talking stage!) to see how he truly feels, give things time to settle - it's only been 3 months! Your world has changed so much, where is HIS love & compassion for YOU?

This thread has really triggered me, sorry to sound so heated. It's just when you know this type of character they are easy to spot.

Sayhellotothethings · 26/08/2019 09:00

OP a clue if I am wrong or right here - ask him what he expected out of fatherhood? What did he envision ?

I haven't asked him actually. Might be good to. Not sure if I should save it for counselling.
I know he finds the baby stage harder because to men, or at least him, babies are boring. He is much better now that she is smiling and laughing.

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GreenFieldsofFrance · 26/08/2019 09:05

I thnk you have to just tell him you're done with being so understanding of his not being sure what he's thinking etc and that he needs to leave. You have a baby and yourself to worry about. You don't have time be pandering to this. If it's medical then he's the one that has to go to the gp anyway so he can do that while he's luxuriating with his proposed swimming pool expeditions in a hotel. He's being incredibly selfish. Can you up and go to a hotel? Do you have any time in your day to sit and ponder an existential crisis? How would he feel if you suddenly landed it on him and expected him to absorb this as well as being main carer to a very small baby? I get that you love him etc but he is the only one that do anything about this and instead he's navel gazing and you're being expected to provide an audience for it.

Oysterbabe · 26/08/2019 09:42

I'm glad that you believe he's not cheating. I hope that's true.

I know a lovely couple, been together since university and have a toddler and a baby. They split recently and everyone who knows them is beyond shocked. He says that they grew apart, that they didn't have fun together any more. Sad, but these things happen. Then it came out this week that actually he'd been having an affair. I know the woman he's seeing, very beautiful and 10 years younger. I can see the appeal over the drudgery of life with 2 tiny children and a knackered wife. It did hit home that a bit of attention at the wrong time can turn the head of people you really wouldn't have thought capable. I would have said they were a rock solid couple.

So while you don't think he's cheating, I'd keep your wits about you because people lie and can surprise you. When men suddenly start acting weird there's usually another woman.

fessmess · 26/08/2019 10:10

He sounds depressed. PND if you like. Read the OP and pretend it's her who wrote it. We'd see it differently. I know what I am talking about, this happened with my dh when we had our first. He also said " I am not ready to be a dad yet" when we'd planned the pregnancy and I was six months gone. It is a massive life changing event for a parent; like divorce, bereavement and losing a job. Has he been to his GP? I think you sound like a loving partner trying to make him happy. Btw my dh ended up really depressed but got through it and we're still together 15 years later. Good luck x

Needsomebottle · 26/08/2019 10:21

This from.your original post stood out to me:

He says this isn't the case as if he wanted to leave he would have just packed his bags.

No he wouldn't. He couldn't even tell you straight up that he didn't want a dog. I doubt sincerely that he could say he wants out of a relationship.

I feel really awful saying this as I honestly think you sound lovely and that you are putting loads of effort into making things work and trying to get to the bottom of the problem. But I think he knows what he wants but hasn't the courage to say it. I suspect he wants (or thinks he wants) a free and easy lifestyle and believes he would like to separate because of it. This could very easily be down to the massive adjustment it takes to adapt to the lifestyle of being parents. There is a thread on here about arguing more after a baby comes along, and as many on there say, you need time to adjust.

Push for counselling if he's adamant he doesn't know what he wants. I think with time and your foundation you can get through it and adjust. Best of luck.

prawnsword · 26/08/2019 10:38

@Needsomebottle

This from.your original post stood out to me:

He says this isn't the case as if he wanted to leave he would have just packed his bags.

No he wouldn't. He couldn't even tell you straight up that he didn't want a dog. I doubt sincerely that he could say he wants out of a relationship.

That's a really good point. What he's saying is that after a decades long relationship & spending your whole adult lives together if he secretly wanted to leave he would have sprung it on you by packing his bags & pissing off. He is actually revealing a lot about the strength of his true character with that statement. If reading correctly he hadn't considered counselling either, the OP suggested it 1st.

0lga · 26/08/2019 10:49

He comparing his life now with his happy carefree life before kids, dog and commitments. He wondering which one he should choose.

However he doesn’t have that option anymore. He has to choose between

  1. Being with you and pulling his weight with his child, the housework and his marriage. Doing family things rather than drinking with his mates.
  1. Divorcing with all the cost and unpleasantness. Having to rearrange his life to care singlehanded for his child half the week, changing his work hours, arranging child care, not being able to go out with his mates or to the gym or date for half the week.

In fact, probably not being able to do these things much at all, it’s expensive being a single parent. Oh and it kind of reduces your chances dating too.

Onetwothree4 · 26/08/2019 11:11

Op, this exact thing happened to me. DH started acting strange. He even booked himself into a hotel room to 'recover from a cold' because he couldn't get any sleep in the house with a baby and a toddler. He swore he wasn't seeing anyone else. Technically it wasn't a lie. I found out later he had paid for a prostitute that night and several other times during the time period. He even blamed me for getting a cat pre-dc even though he practically talked me into it.

Mintypea5 · 26/08/2019 11:48

My ex was like that's. Very much planned and wanted DS was born and he just couldn't / wouldn't give up his ore child life.

I destroyed myself for a year trying to please him, make him happy, keep his life as normal and "baby free" as possible. Doing all the baby stuff letting him go out every evening after work for drinks ... the end result was he left me, re wrote history (apparently I forced him into having DS he never wanted him) and my mental health was in tatters.

We'd been together 5 years known each other since school.

In contrast I met my DH 3 years ago. Pretty much knew he was the one for me we had DS1 last year and he couldn't be more different! He supports me, helps me, recognises when I need a break, shares all the baby stuff 50/50. I just couldn't believe what a different experience it was

We're expecting a DD in November now

Sayhellotothethings · 26/08/2019 12:16

He did suggest counselling but just for himself. He called the depression and anxiety service but it hasn't got anywhere so would need to do it privately. I am throne who suggested couples counselling.

Has he been to his GP? I think you sound like a loving partner trying to make him happy. Btw my dh ended up really depressed but got through it and we're still together 15 years later. Good luck x

He has been and I think he should go again IMO.

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Sayhellotothethings · 26/08/2019 12:54

Well I am home now. Had said he missed us last night and didn't sleep well but also enjoyed relaxing time. He doesn't want to go anywhere or leave our family and is trying to do the best he can to sort his head out.
He also says he feels emotionless. He recognises the night apart was damaging but thinks if it will help him get better, that will help us in the long run.

So confused.

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AsTheWorldTurns · 26/08/2019 13:25

When I said ‘mileage’ I meant he’s going to make a lot of the dog responsibility being foisted upon him in a kind of cynical way.

I get you OP, you’re convinced this isn’t him has maybe it isn’t. Maybe he is dealing with some kind of breakdown, but how he responds to it is down to him.

You’ve had good advice here. I would do the following:

Reboot your social life around your baby
Have fun
Tell him he needs to sort himself out and that time is limited
Reconsider the dog

Good luck. Cake

lavenderandthyme · 26/08/2019 15:34

The emotionless thing is classic depression. Men can become depressed after the birth of a child just as a woman can. He sounds to me like he's really struggling but doesn't know how what to do. I feel for both of you.

billy1966 · 26/08/2019 16:02

OP, I feel very sorry for you.

I think he is making you jump through hoops when you have had to go through so much change in the past year.

I think he may know what he wants but is taking his time telling you.

Whatever is going on with him, he is treating you very badly.

I don't believe you can trust him and he certainly doesn't have your back.

He is very much caught up in himself and the best thing you can do for you child and yourself, is prepare for the fact your marriage my be over.

I think you need to be a lot less accommadating.

Please get proper support IRL.

Sayhellotothethings · 26/08/2019 16:10

We have had a serious talk since I have been home. He says that he doesn't want to leave - he knows he won't be happy on his own like he is with me/us and that he has just felt overwhelmed since having a baby. I wonder if he is just struggling to adjust to fatherhood and that he is pining for a life of spontaneous acts, even though we never did that before. I can't accept that it is over because I'm not sure it is. I think we just need to work. I've told him I feel that things are now a bit fractured and that we need to work on them.
He says he still loves me, loves our daughter, loves our dog and couldn't live with himself if the dog wasn't around either. He doesn't know what he wants to change to feel better but it isn't being on his own.

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lavenderandthyme · 26/08/2019 16:26

I just don’t agree with the previous poster at all. Someone who is depressed and struggling can’t think clearly . It doesn’t mean he doesn’t love you or have your back. Or that he is planning something or manipulating you. To me he sounds overwhelmed and depressed . He needs help.
If this was a woman, what would you be saying?
It is incredibly hard for you OP. But I think you will get through it with help and counselling.
There is a difference between being a bastard and being depressed and not in your ‘right mind’.

Sayhellotothethings · 26/08/2019 16:38

He needs help.
If this was a woman, what would you be saying?

That's what I mean, if he was a woman I'd say she had PND. He actually expected be to get PND (I have anxiety problems so I guess I am more prone) and was fully prepared to help me through it if I did. I can't just quit on him. I love him and this isn't like the man that I know. I know right now I sound like a fool that posts on here and then defends their DH but I just can't see this being the end. I do not know what we can do to 'fix' things ourself so do think therapy is the best option for us, he is also going to see the GP again tomorrow.

If it is just a case of struggling to adjust to fatherhood then that is totally normal and I think he's probably beating himself up and making it worse in his own head.

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prawnsword · 26/08/2019 16:46

It's the rewriting of history that doesn't correlate with PND in women to me. I hope am wrong & this is PND.

truthisarevolutionaryact · 26/08/2019 17:11

OP, I can hear your care and compassion for him in everything you say. But what about you in all this? You are the one carrying all the responsibility as well as frantically jumping through all the hoops he sets for you - what is he doing to support you?

Maybe sit and have another read through this thread? There have been some very insightful but challenging posts encouraging you to centre yourself - he's not doing that in the slightest. His self absorption, selfish behaviour and dismal treatment of you is not impressive. Remember that Maya Angelou quote: When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time

lavenderandthyme · 26/08/2019 17:18

The app has been with her husband for years. She knows who he is. She is saying this behaviour is out of character.
Speaking from personal experience, my husband did something totally out of character when my kids were young. We nearly split up. He was depressed and became really quite ill. I struggled through it because i didn’t want to lose our family unit or him. Looking back I have no idea how I did it. I had no support and it was utter hell. He was behaving in a very selfish way. However he came to his senses and we came through it. I could have just decided to end the marriage because his behaviour was undoubtedly selfish and unreasonable. I don’t know where we would all be now.

lavenderandthyme · 26/08/2019 17:18

OP not app!