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I feel like my marriage is falling apart

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Sayhellotothethings · 26/08/2019 04:46

It is breaking me to post about this but I need to speak to people who are impartial and don't know what else to do. I feel so alone.

DH and I have been together for 10 years with a very happy relationship, married for 3 of them.
Since we have had a baby, things have changed. I feel like my husband isn't there sometimes and I'm talking to someone else that is emotionally distant. Our baby is 3 months old so early days, I know.

Background - our baby was very much wanted. I was diagnosed with an illness that would likely effect my ability to have children over time, so we decided to ttc a couple of years earlier than planned. A joint decision. One MC and a year later, I fell pregnant with our LO. He was happy about it.

Fast forward to me at about 8 months pregnant and he revealed he had been anxious about completely losing our relationship, and some freedom. I asked what he meant and he said the ability to go to the gym after work, or go on date nights. We talked through everything and he told me he felt better.

We are now where we are. I thought things were fine. He is a great dad, he loves our baby and does his share. But he told me that he feels 'dead behind the eyes' when I ask how he is feeling now, he loves us all individually but put together he isn't happy. I say us because there is a dog included in this, that he is now saying I pressurised him in to getting (although we applied to adopt him together...apparently him putting in place specific requirements for a type of rescue dog was his way of trying to stop it happening, instead of sticking with 'no').

I have asked him what it is that he isn't happy with, and he says he doesn't know. He doesn't know what he wants to change. He misses our life pre-baby but says he wouldn't change having one and loves her.

I do a lot to support his feelings and he acknowledges I can't do much more - he goes to the gym to wind down several times a week after work, I do 80% of night feeds, he has been out with friends. We have been on a date night and have the option of going on another soon if we want.
He said he was finding the hassle of walking the dog so much a problem because it meant he wasn't getting a lot of down time after work (health issues when pg meant I couldn't and I have only recently recovered from child birth). I took this on board and now do more of it.

He mentioned wanting to go on holiday together spontaneously (which we have never done) so I suggested I book something for us, then he says no because of money. We can afford to go, though. Now he is saying we should book something again.

He says that he has spent our time together trying to make me happy because that is all he wants, and maybe the decisions he has made haven't been right for him, as in an ideal world we wouldn't have a dog or have had a child just yet. In every big step of our life e.g. having a child, I kept making sure doors for conversation were open and made sure it was something we both wanted before even coming off birth control.

The latest is that he said he was going to spend a night away in a hotel to clear his head. I asked what he intended to do there and he said swim, have dinner, chill out. This reads to me as run away from his family and test the waters of being alone. He says this isn't the case as if he wanted to leave he would have just packed his bags.
He felt strongly that he needed to do this so I ended up packing bags for me, the dog, the baby, and have stayed with a family member overnight (if he wants his alone time I'm not sitting back and feeling like crap on his terms, on my own whilst he has a swim...). I asked him what he wanted to get out of doing that, he said he was hoping for a bad nights sleep and to make sense of his thoughts.

I have suggested couples therapy which he is open to. He thinks he would benefit from counselling on his own, but unfortunately this having a night away thing has dented things for me and I think we need to look at reconnecting together.
We had already been through this and he told me things were ok, so I feel like I can't trust that if he says it again.

He went to the GP regarding depression which they did not think he had, and said he was just struggling with the lifestyle change of having a baby.

I'm not sure what else to do. I love him dearly and we have the most amazing life. He even agrees, we have everything. But he is unhappy with it and can't put his finger on why. I feel like my marriage is crumbling and I am losing my best friend.

And no, he isn't having an affair. I've already had the discussion.

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prawnsword · 26/08/2019 07:47

I'm really sorry to say but from my unfortunate personal experience dating a Disney Dad or two > he is reading you a well-played script. He is setting the scene to rewrite history, because his life how he planned it or let it play out is not living up to the dream. He hasn't bonded with your daughter yet, if he was more mature he may realise that he might realistically not until she is a toddler & develops her little personality. because his life up until now has been spent ticking boxes about what you should do i.e meet a woman, move in, get married, have baby.... and now he is sitting back wondering "is this it?" because he never dared to dream about making the most of his pre-kid days like impromptu travel & whatnot.

I can almost guarantee that there is either someone he haas a crush on, waitress at coffee shop or colleague etc, or he just looks at random women on the street & realises he has settled down now & his time to be footloose & fancy free is over. What I mean is even if there is nobody specific who has turned his head, his whole mind is turning inside. The 'other woman' is a concept in his mind. He sound very avoidant - this personality type is NOT going to be honest with you about this. I know you say you believe him but this is naive, am sorry but it just is.

I am personally childfree & quite angry at his selfishness here - he wants gym time to work out, but resents running a dog around the block a few times a week ? This doesn't add up logically. What is he doing at the gym? Does he go alone or with mates ? There may be someone at the gym who he crushes on or at the very least he is using the gym as an excuse to cop out of family time. Otherwise he would WANT exercise & to run the dog. I call BS on this one. Especially as he doesn't want you to give the dog away - the dog is an excuse. Not to mention he has also re-written history & now claims he didn't want a dog. Very deceptive & sly behaviour. You can clearly see he is lying - you remember how it went down, he gave you some basic requirements for the dog. When he now claims he didn't want it he was either lying then or is lying now. Either way, he lies to you when it conveniences him & is the easy way out.

You need to get angry, girl - he is straight up lying to your face & robbing you of this precious time with your newborn. He is being so utterly selfish to put himself first in your mind now - you are all caught up worrying about him having a foot out the door & making you jump when he says how high. Please, please take your power back & tell him to back his bags & leave. He needs a serious scare to shock him into realising what he could lose if you stop putting up with his immature crap. He thinks it's all his decision to leave because he knows he has your heart & you will always be there. He sees you as being in a weaker position on him & dependants tied to him. You must change this script. You & bubs are not some side character in the movie of his life.

I would honestly kick him out & tell him you will see him at the counselling session. I don't think you're there yet because right now you still believe him, but you do need a good relationship counsellor ASAP & I rarely advise counselling & talk therapy. But this is a clear case of it. His true character will come out in therapy I reckon.

As they say on here - Get your ducks in a row

I'm sorry you are going through this right now. It's really unfair!

MashedSpud · 26/08/2019 07:48

Expect him to bring up a spontaneous holiday with friends in the very near future.

The night away at the hotel seems dodgy. Does he take drugs if you’re pretty sure it’s not an OW?

Fightthebear · 26/08/2019 07:51

Counselling sounds like your best option to see if he can come to terms with your new life as a family.

What I don’t think you should continue is pandering to his selfishness. There’s a baby to care for now and he has responsibilities, it can’t all fall to you to make everything ok for him.

I’d make you sure you get very reliable contraception too, a second baby now would not help. I’m afraid I do know men who’ve left their partners after a baby comes into the family so you need to protect your position as much as possible.

So sorry you’re in this position.

Sayhellotothethings · 26/08/2019 07:56

He hasn't bonded with your daughter yet

He says he is sure that he has now as this was something he was struggling with when she was first born.

he wants gym time to work out, but resents running a dog around the block a few times a week ? This doesn't add up logically. What is he doing at the gym

He lifts weights at the gym, he goes to one for body building and they don't have a lot in terms of cardio. He's always been conscious of his image and says he enjoys going. Not trying to defend him, just explaining.

I'm just so confused. I've known him for 12 years, been with him for 10, and this isn't him.

Expect him to bring up a spontaneous holiday with friends in the very near future.

Funnily enough he doesn't actually have any friends that would go on a spontaneous holiday with him. He's never gone on a 'lads' holiday. His close friends are in similar boat to him lifestyle wise. He has mentioned wanting to go on holiday with his Dad, he said this last year as well, which I'm fine with.

& no he doesn't take drugs, or drink really

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Skittlenommer · 26/08/2019 07:58

He misses our life pre-baby

As much as he may love his child it sounds like he regrets becoming a father as many men and women do. Not much he can do about it now though.

SorryBeThereIn10 · 26/08/2019 08:08

It’s sort of important that you try to separate your happiness from how he feels all the time. You know this though? You go ahead and enjoy all the amazing bits of having a young baby and socialising with other mothers and friends, regardless and in spite of his low moods and absenting himself at the gym. Maybe he’ll realise what he’s missing out on while you’re waiting for that counselling session

lavenderandthyme · 26/08/2019 08:10

You need to organise couples counselling as soon as you can. He sounds depressed and like he’s having an identity crisis. The sooner you both take steps to sort this out the better. You can’t go on like this. Either of you. This must be so hard for you. 🌹

prawnsword · 26/08/2019 08:11

How old are you both OP?

prawnsword · 26/08/2019 08:12

@lavenderandthyme

"identity crisis" > in a nutshell

Sayhellotothethings · 26/08/2019 08:13

It’s sort of important that you try to separate your happiness from how he feels all the time.

I do know this. It's just so hard. I feel like the second I stop caring, things will just...be done.

We have been together from such s formative age that I don't know how to be happy without him. The thought terrifies me. I really don't want that to happen.

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Sayhellotothethings · 26/08/2019 08:18

You need to organise couples counselling as soon as you can. He sounds depressed and like he’s having an identity crisis.

I really think he seems depressed but the doctor said no. Hadn't really considered an identity crisis.

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Sayhellotothethings · 26/08/2019 08:18

prawns would rather not specify as I know people that use MN and this is ridiculously outing as it is. But under 30.

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stucknoue · 26/08/2019 08:20

This sounds all too familiar. Do pursue counselling and be really open and honest about what you both want for the future rather than bumbling along assuming it will magically be ok because you once were in love - I realised far too late that whilst I love h as a friend, he always will be my friend, I'm in love with the idea of a happy marriage rather than him, in love with the trappings it brings too if I'm honest.

You have a chance to make it work, don't leave it until too late like me. I'm hoping to have an amicable divorce, but it doesn't have to be you - act now

(Side note: I've recently met a guy who is in almost the identical situation so not uncommon at all!)

Dljlr · 26/08/2019 08:25

This sounds so much like my ex. We'd also been together since a formative (teen) age and had our baby the time we did because my health meant it was now or never. We had all of these exact conversations. He used to use his annual leave whenever I took the DC away to my mum's so that he could relax without us.

I hope you can sort it out, I'm not trying to doom-monger, but eventually I left him. I couldn't make him happy, I couldn't regret our lovely son but his misery always seemed to return to his 'lack of freedom' from having him, and ultimately I grew ill from being forced to take responsibility for every single joint decision we'd made that he now regretted and ultimately for his entire happiness. It just got to a point where something clicked and I thought actually, fuck you. You don't like this life? Go find a better one. I'm done.

I can't tell you what to do because my own experience clouds it too much. But remember to look after you as well as him. He's an adult. It's not up to you to 'fix' him. You and your DC are important too.

Parkmama · 26/08/2019 08:25

Perhaps he should see another GP for a 2nd opinion on the depression? Men can suffer PND too. A few times you have said 'this isn't him' etc and he's already admitted he misses his life before your baby.

lavenderandthyme · 26/08/2019 08:28

Doctors don’t know everything. In the 3 mins they have with a patient, it’s impossible to properly judge if someone is depressed. Your OH may not have been entirely honest about his feelings anyway ,which sound complex. All doctors offer are drugs. He needs therapy.

Lindy2 · 26/08/2019 08:29

You had a baby only 3 months ago. Does he ask how you are or how you are coping? I'd be pretty sure your life has changed a lot more than his right now.
Sorry but I'd have very limited patience with his me, me, me attitude. I'm probably a bit harsh but I'd be having some pretty firm words about it with him. He needs to grow up and get on with being a good father and husband. You really don't need to be having to fuss over him when you have an actual newborn to care for.

chocatoo · 26/08/2019 08:33

Go for some therapy but don’t assume it will make things better. I am not sure that I could forgive him for letting me down at the time when he should be stepping up. I would always be waiting for it to happen again. I think I would tell him to pack his bags and leave. Then see whether he misses his life and wants to beg to get it back. If you are the one doing all of the begging, you will always on the back step in the future.

womaninthedark · 26/08/2019 08:36

And no, he isn't having an affair. I've already had the discussion
And he, almost certainly, has lied to you.

Get your ducks in a row
Best advice on the thread.

Counselling?
Fuck that for a game of soldiers. No. You can't 'counsel' someone who has already left. Maybe counselling on your own, to help you see what he's doing.

OP, he's saying what the vast majority of them say, acting how the vast majority of them act. He's out or wants out, and he's trying to make it your fault. You're doing all you can, picking up more and more, jumping through any hoops he holds out and still he's not happy. Why is that? Because he isn't genuinely committed to the future of your relationship. He's not depressed. He's selfish and wants to be a single man. That feeling when no matter what you do, you can't make it right? Believe it. Don't try harder. Put your energy into making a life for you and your baby.

SorryBeThereIn10 · 26/08/2019 08:37

He knows he has a lot to lose if he messes up here and it sounds like he really doesn’t want to mess up. Maybe this is the first big thing In his so far near-perfect life to shock him out of his stride. He has to work out how to deal with it, whether that involves talking to a friend, a stranger/counsellor or just getting on with it.

You keep being as strong as you are. You don’t need to worry about being happy without him because he’s not gone, ok?
Well, except to the gym every other night, and work, and out with friends - he’s got it good ...

prawnsword · 26/08/2019 08:43

I would have said it was possible he was depressed & overwhelmed with the responsibility of fatherhood which is totally understandable & relatable - but too much of what the OP describes has an undercurrent of selfishness & untruthfulness to me, not depression. Also depression is is NOT an excuse to treat everyone around you like crap & drop the ball when you become a father. Plenty of women have PND & experience these feelings, but do they often leave their partner & new bub in a lurch to go swim at a hotel & go to the gym several times a week?

He reads like the script of a bloke who is on track to a mid-life crisis because he didn't bother taking the time to realise what he wanted out of life. They have a panic attack & think they missed out on some awesome shit in their 20s, for whatever reason. I have no sympathy for people who just let their life happen around them & don't take responsibility for their decisions or passivity in letting their life unfold.

In Australia we would call this type of bloke a "gutless wonder"

Gobbolinothewitchscat · 26/08/2019 08:49

What exactly is this man proposing that you do or no do to resolve this? Further, why is all the responsability on you to sort this out? There seems to be lots of vague, unspecified feelings here that he seems to think is up to you to sort out

Good for the GP not dosing him up with antidepressants (another stick to beat you with) and basically telling him to buck up.

We had 3 DCs in 3 years and they are still very young - my DH loves going to the gym, he gets up at 5am to go. He's had to sell the car he loves so we both can have cars that comfortably and safely fit the 3 DCs - he got a sporty fast (ish) version of his. Its taken me about 40 minutes to type thus response as I've so far put peppa pig on, got two drinks if milk and helped everyone go to the loo or the potty. This is all normal. Everyone thinks FFS or fondly back to their child free honeymoon whilst booking Center Parcs but the vast majority of us get on with it as there isn't really any other viable alternative - even if you divorce, presumably he still intends to see your child?

He basically sounds like someone who perhaps needs to consider not speaking out loud every single thought in his head

prawnsword · 26/08/2019 08:50

& to be clear it is not his feeling per se that I see as a problem. It is OK to have those feelings.

What is not OK is to be so selfish that you put your wants before your baby & new partner's needs to discuss all this life logistical stuff NOW after the baby is here. The time for all this navel gazing shit was obviously before, when they you know planned all this together before he decided to rewrite history as he is currently doing. A real stand up guy would admit how he feels, but he will in all likelihood in future blame the OP for how his life has unfolded. He will say you pressured him into this too young.

I think the only way to change the script is to scare him with the truth of what his supposed super awesome single 20s style life will really look. In reality it isn't that great. Unfortunately a lot of them hear how awesome Tinder is, etc....but unless your husband is an Alpha male which he is clearly not to be so passive in life, his real single world won't be as he imagined.

Either way you will end up with someone who treasures you - either he is going to realise what he stands to lose, or he will piss off to Tinder town & you will meet someone who truly deserves you in time.

Natasha4767 · 26/08/2019 08:52

Are you sure he isn't taking some kind of hormones related to his body building? As this can cause men to be up and down or depressed.

Hoodiesallsummer · 26/08/2019 08:52

What you have done so far has not helped (reassuring him and giving him space etc) so I would get tough now and tell him to sort himself out or go if he’s so unhappy. You have to be prepared to follow it through though.

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