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DM screamed at my DS and made him cry on holiday

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mummy3yearold · 09/08/2019 23:02

Hi, I'm actually afraid to post this as I feel very guilty doing so. I am writing this anonymously.

Basically as a teenager I was hit quite a bit by my Mum. She called it "laying into" me. (Now she denies it and says it was not hitting, just smacking, and I was "not an easy child"). I never smoked, never drank alcohol, never did drugs, did not sleep around, did my school work, was bullied at school for being a swot....

Anyway this continued on and off in my twenties, when I went home during the summer I was occasionally screamed at, grabbed, had stuff thrown at me and on one occasion spat at in my face, the flob landed on my nose. Epithets I have been called include "child", "bitch", "slut" and "baby".

If I try and raise any of this I am accused of being "spoilt" and "poor me", or that I am being hysterical or exaggerating.

I feel she is very uninterested in my life and how I am doing and lives for my DS and my sibling's DCs. She wants to talk about her life or DS or the DCs. If I say "What about me?", I am accused of being "selfish, it's all about you".

If I say I feel afraid or walking on eggshells I am mocked.

Sometimes it is all sunshine and light and everything is cheerful and good fun and she acts like a BFF. Also my DM has been extraordinarily financially generous throughout my life.

Anyway that is the background. I am very angry, and very very tense about our recent holiday.

My DM shouted at me, I can take that. But I found it so hard when she shouted at my DS. I won't give his age - he is not three though (unlike my nickname) he is older. He came into me sobbing, he had been called "babyish" for something he had done that involved "manners". He hadn't sworn, thrown anything, disobeyed - he was just playing in a way that looked babyish to DM. When I hugged him and comforted him and began speaking to him about maybe playing differently next time, DM came in and began shouting at me too saying DS had no discipline was "spoilt" and gets his "own way". (Actually he has lots of discipline and we keep regular bedtimes and routines, as well as insisting he comes off the computer when asked).

He was also bellowed at again later in the week, for disobeying instructions. This also made him cry. He is not used to shouting. When I moved to comfort him I was bellowed at followed by a demand that I enforce the discipline. I refused and to my shame said "it is down to you" and backed off in a panic because I was so afraid of them.

I am sure DM has her own problems and was under pressure from responsibilities that she had at the time. She says she does these things out of love because she is worried about the future.

I am now trying to go low contact. This is proving tricky because she phones me up to chat a lot. I feel it is the best way to protect DS and keep some self respect.

Please feel free to add any insights.

OP posts:
Mum2jenny · 09/08/2019 23:09

I’d limit the times your dc is exposed to your dm, and tell her she must back off unless she wants you to go very low contact. It’s total abuse. You suffered it as a child, is it fair to expose your own dc to this?

tobedtoMNandfart · 09/08/2019 23:13

It's abusive. Why on earth did you go on holiday with her? You need to accept she's not the M you want her to be.

Thehop · 09/08/2019 23:13

You can’t hand your da over to be abused like you were.

Cut contact drastically.

growlingbear · 09/08/2019 23:15

Keep them apart. I caught my dad hitting DS1 once ages ago and they have never ever been left in the same room without me since. Dad hasn't even noticed, he's so self obsessed.
Keep meetings in public places or in your home, never in hers.
Set your own rules.
Show zero emotion when she's nasty.
If she's nasty to DS tell him she's behaving nastily and if he doesn't like it he is free to not see her often, or to come home with you and shorten the visit.
Honestly, it;s a massive weight off your mind when you decide very clearly in your own mind that you won't put up with their shit anymore, not even once. Zero tolerance. It'll keep you sane. And long term you'll feel very proud of yourself for protecting him from her cruel and bullying insanity.

7yo7yo · 09/08/2019 23:16

Your allowing your DC to be abused.
You didn’t comfort him.
Get counselling so you can deal with their abusive behaviours enough to protect your child and/or go no contact.
She’s horrible and it doesn’t matter how much she rewrites history, you and her know the truth and i hope Its always there and torments her.

defineme · 09/08/2019 23:19

She abused you into adulthood and now you're allowing her to start on your son. Can you go no contact? Can you cope without her financial help? I think it would be extremely helpful to get counselling because youre trying to minimise her abuse. How dare she beat you at any age, how dare she verbally abuse your son. Put a stop to this now.

converseandjeans · 09/08/2019 23:19

She sounds awful. I would just keep contact short if you really don't want to go NC. However she doesn't deserve you. You sound lovely.

Wildorchidz · 09/08/2019 23:24

Is it your mothers extraordinary financial generosity the impetus for you maintaining a relationship with her? The damage she is causing your child is awful.

Coffeeandcherrypie · 09/08/2019 23:25

It sounds like she is using the money to keep you trapped. Can you afford to turn down the money?

NerrSnerr · 09/08/2019 23:25

You need to keep him away from her. She is abusive and you cannot allow it to happen. You know she has form for hitting children and she'll tell you 'it was only a smack'.

I wouldn't see her again as hard as it seems. Your son needs to come first.

IrisB · 09/08/2019 23:26

When I was 4 my grandad shouted at me and slapped my leg. I was in tears and I still remember it to this day.
My DM went NC and I haven't seen him since (im 30 now) and I can honestly say I am glad and I respect my DM for protecting me.
I know your DM hasn't been physical with your DS but what if she does? She sounds unhinged and it doesn't sound like she brings much joy to your lives. Go as low contact as possible.

FFSFFSFFS · 09/08/2019 23:28

look at the outofthefog website.

Your mother is horrible and abusive - but it is very hard to get yourself out of the influence zone when its a parent.

However - she is abusing your son and you have to protect him. It is that simple. That means facing up to how awful your mother is and either limiting contact or going no contact.

The answer is simple and obvious from the outside. But it is a very difficult thing to do when you're the one on the inside. But you really really have to for the sake of you son.

gamerchick · 09/08/2019 23:30

FOG. Read up, sort it out and don't let your child be affected by your attachment to it.

It's time to bring out the mama bear and protect your child.

It's hard I'll not lie, but it's so rewarding.

It may take her hitting him before you jolt though unfortunately.

With the phone calls to practise. Let silences fall from your end, it naturally makes the other person uncomfortable so they bugger off quicker.

hormonesorDHbeingadick · 09/08/2019 23:31

You need to protect your child.

Either get caller display or change your number.

namechange5575 · 09/08/2019 23:36

You are throwing your son under the bus here. You need to start thinking about this quite quite differently.

mummy3yearold · 09/08/2019 23:37

7yo7yo thank you for your post. Literally I am a quivering wreck when the start on me which is not good enough for my son. I know of at least one occasion last year where he was screamed at on an overnight visit (there was an excuse for it of course). I do feel very unlike myself since this holiday. I feel sick inside and cannot settle or relax or sleep well. DD says I need to make "allowances" for her so no support there. DH says DD is terrified.

I do not let DS go on overnight visits to DM any more and he is old enough to come out with us to places so no need for babysitting any more :-)

I did once go NC about 20 years ago but relented after DS was born. I needed lots of help and support with a new baby. Since then things have been OK for many years but the abusive behaviour has ramped up a lot recently. I've tried to get DM to go to a doctor in case it is dementia but she refuses and says she doesn't trust me. She is also resentful as I have already said I will not care for her in my own home when she gets infirm.

If I go totally NC I also lose DD as he cannot even answer the phone or email or text me without DM knowing. Sometimes he phones me in a whisper or out in the garden. I might even lose DB as SIL is close with DM (DM told me a few months ago she doesn't like me and prefers SIL to me)

We owe them a few k, that is the main financial support we have had, it will take about three years to pay back. Not sure I can wait that long! Concerned we might get a legal demand for the £ plus harassing emails if we go NC. Perhaps we can get a bank loan to clear it.

It sounds mad when it is written down doesn't it?

Has anyone here done NC, how did it work with children?

OP posts:
mummy3yearold · 09/08/2019 23:38

NerrSmerr she has already invited herself over to see us on Monday!

OP posts:
Hoggytat · 09/08/2019 23:43

You sound enmeshed OP. Beware the FOG (Fear, obligation, guilt). How often are you made to feel guilty? How often do you do things out of obligation not because you want to?

Protect your son. You know what the abuse is like as you have lived through it. You can stop it happening to your son.

Also don't be too harsh on yourself. You were abused too. Take care of yourself too Flowers

mummy3yearold · 09/08/2019 23:43

I'll put the answerphone on right now. I'll tell DS not to answer it in future so we don't keep being disturbed when we do stuff together.

OP posts:
StaplesCorner · 09/08/2019 23:54

I think you need to have a read through this thread mummy:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/3656489-my-crappy-childhood-has-just-exploded

Kaddm · 10/08/2019 00:03

How old is your child? It is relevant because it impacts your ability to manage the situation. I have one very difficult parent and I have explained the situation to my dc. Is this an option for you?

If you go NC and the £ are demanded back, you offer a repayment plan that you can afford. Don’t let that stop you. What would stop me though is the potential loss of contact with the nice parent.

movingontosomethingnew · 10/08/2019 00:39

My dad raised his voice once to my son and he's never done it since.

I bollocked him for speaking to him like that and left.

My dad used to shout at me and my siblings a lot when we were kids and I remember how scary he was to me. I'm sure as shit not having my son feel like that.

Get this twat to fuck op. You and your kid deserve better.

rvby · 10/08/2019 02:44

began speaking to him about maybe playing differently next time

Wait... you agreed with your mother and told your son to play differently?

to my shame said "it is down to you" and backed off in a panic because I was so afraid of them

... you allowed your mother to "discipline" your son?
What does that mean? Did you allow her to assault your child??

FuriousVexation · 10/08/2019 03:40

Which "nice parent" are you referring to @Kaddm ?

did you mean the one who isn't actively abusive but who condones and enables the abuser and does nothing to protect the victims?

DeeCeeCherry · 10/08/2019 04:45

Well stop having your bellowing mum around then. You're a mother yourself and although I understand a fear of your mum - she instilled that in you - you need to protect your son. She's not conducive to his or your wellbeing and it will serve her right if you go very low contact. She won't ever listen to what you have to say as she doesn't respect you. Although my mother didn't hit me she is the most horrible person I've met. Sly, manipulative, took all her woes out on us thru our childhoods instead of dealing with them, then repeated pattern when we in turn had children by trying to stir up trouble, also make them not feel good about themselves. We decided to go very low contact - now she's in her 70s with nobody around her. So she can shout manipulate whatever to thin air if she wants. Life goes on. You need to get your life back.

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