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DM screamed at my DS and made him cry on holiday

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mummy3yearold · 09/08/2019 23:02

Hi, I'm actually afraid to post this as I feel very guilty doing so. I am writing this anonymously.

Basically as a teenager I was hit quite a bit by my Mum. She called it "laying into" me. (Now she denies it and says it was not hitting, just smacking, and I was "not an easy child"). I never smoked, never drank alcohol, never did drugs, did not sleep around, did my school work, was bullied at school for being a swot....

Anyway this continued on and off in my twenties, when I went home during the summer I was occasionally screamed at, grabbed, had stuff thrown at me and on one occasion spat at in my face, the flob landed on my nose. Epithets I have been called include "child", "bitch", "slut" and "baby".

If I try and raise any of this I am accused of being "spoilt" and "poor me", or that I am being hysterical or exaggerating.

I feel she is very uninterested in my life and how I am doing and lives for my DS and my sibling's DCs. She wants to talk about her life or DS or the DCs. If I say "What about me?", I am accused of being "selfish, it's all about you".

If I say I feel afraid or walking on eggshells I am mocked.

Sometimes it is all sunshine and light and everything is cheerful and good fun and she acts like a BFF. Also my DM has been extraordinarily financially generous throughout my life.

Anyway that is the background. I am very angry, and very very tense about our recent holiday.

My DM shouted at me, I can take that. But I found it so hard when she shouted at my DS. I won't give his age - he is not three though (unlike my nickname) he is older. He came into me sobbing, he had been called "babyish" for something he had done that involved "manners". He hadn't sworn, thrown anything, disobeyed - he was just playing in a way that looked babyish to DM. When I hugged him and comforted him and began speaking to him about maybe playing differently next time, DM came in and began shouting at me too saying DS had no discipline was "spoilt" and gets his "own way". (Actually he has lots of discipline and we keep regular bedtimes and routines, as well as insisting he comes off the computer when asked).

He was also bellowed at again later in the week, for disobeying instructions. This also made him cry. He is not used to shouting. When I moved to comfort him I was bellowed at followed by a demand that I enforce the discipline. I refused and to my shame said "it is down to you" and backed off in a panic because I was so afraid of them.

I am sure DM has her own problems and was under pressure from responsibilities that she had at the time. She says she does these things out of love because she is worried about the future.

I am now trying to go low contact. This is proving tricky because she phones me up to chat a lot. I feel it is the best way to protect DS and keep some self respect.

Please feel free to add any insights.

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diddl · 10/08/2019 15:43

"you are going to stop me seeing my GS aren't you"

If that happens, & I think it should, it would be ENTIRELY down to her abusive/bullying behaviour.

Why are such shit parents ever given the chance to become involved GPs?

Whosorrynow · 10/08/2019 17:33

I hope you come back OP, some of these replies are quite blunt because people are shocked at what you've put up with, you're so deep in the FOG you just cant see it.
I hope you dont feel attacked by the forthright responses, people do want to help you

MollyButton · 10/08/2019 17:45

I suggest if you can you read Toxic families.

I would also cut contact with them for a while as much as possible - NC if you can. To give yourself time to think and sort out family dynamics.
It is highly probable that your Dad isn't as innocent as he seems. A friend had a very difficult family life - but came to see that her Dad wasn't "as much of a victim as any of them" as her and her siblings had thought. And that is despite elder abuse, and him leaving their Mother on a couple of occasions (but he always choose to go back).

mummy3yearold · 10/08/2019 20:27

Green water bottle it is the last time.

No I am still here. I did write two posts today but both went AWOL due to being in poor signal area.

DS DH and I have all agreed a plan.

Phone screening.
Reduced contact.
No overnight stays.
No babysitting.
Not DS being left alone with them for a moment.
Any shouting or abuse they are thrown out of our house.
Any abuse stemming from the above and I go NC.

Thank you for the support everyone.

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greenwaterbottle · 10/08/2019 20:32

A good start. I think as this develops you'll need more strength as they'll kick off. Good luck!

growlingbear · 11/08/2019 00:09

You will be amazed how much more energy you have when you minimise contact with toxic parents. I wish I'd done it decades ago.

MirzyMoo · 11/08/2019 00:41

For goodness sake your an adult STAND UP TO HER!

Seriously she knows exactly how you will react which is she treats you like this. Stand up for yourself!

mummy3yearold · 11/08/2019 08:48

MirzyMoo she treats everyone like this. Her friends, the builders and site project manager (they get long emails), the holiday landlady (ditto), my DH, DB, mums at DS schoolgates, my neighbours, you name it, everyone gets shouted at / threatened, unless they are doing exactly what she wants, in which case it is all smiles and charm. The trouble is guessing exactly what she wants. As far as she is concerned, everyone "walks all over her". So far, no one has reacted in a way that has consequences for her. Everything is always the nuclear option. And I have called her on it. I have been NC in the past. I told her not to treat my neighbour that way. But as well as the problems above, she has been coming on visits to us already in a bad mood. Already with am expression like Judge Dredd's before the day has even begun, spoiling for a fight. And she slags off my entire generation in rants that get worse and worse.

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MollyButton · 11/08/2019 08:59

If she was not your mother would you have anything to do with her?

If she behaved like that to me in my professional life - I would get away from her as fast as possible. Then phone my manager to make sure that no one else had to deal with her again.

I wouldn't be surprised if she was on a lot of "black lists".

MyOtherProfile · 11/08/2019 09:03

Record her ranting one day and send it to her so she can see just how she comes over. She is probably in denial.

SandyY2K · 11/08/2019 09:28

Stop blaming dementia. She used to beat you up as a teenager and verbally abuse you. It's nothing to do with her being old.

I would get a loan and pay her back. Screen your calls and get the rest of the family to do the same.

She will damage your son and you need to get your DH on board to protect him.

Robin2323 · 11/08/2019 09:55

If she was not your mother would you have anything to do with her?

From your first post the answer is NO contact.

It's taken me years but I've finally got my mum. (She died years ago)

They never grown up and can never take any responsibility fir their actions.

It's like arguing with a teenage.
You cannot Win.

Forces on all the good stuff and

You won't have time for this rubbish.
Your ds will thank you.

P.s. she's a very nasty person whatever age she is.

Robin2323 · 11/08/2019 09:59

And don't get sucked in by your dad ringing up.

He an enabler who lets her get away with her behaviour.
He doesn't like her behaviour he also has a choice weather to put up with it or not.
Don't let him put you back in the firing line.

Whosorrynow · 11/08/2019 10:14

@mummyof
My mother is a very badly behaved rude angry woman also a very intimidating woman, I no longer have anything to do with her but my greatest regret is that I never properly stood up to her and gave her what for.
I let her get the better of me and that pisses me off so much

mummy3yearold · 11/08/2019 15:20

Oh dear, boundaries did not go down well at all. Turned up at my house today unannounced and after I postponed Monday. Can't give any more details or will be identifiable.

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VivaLeBeaver · 11/08/2019 15:24

And this is why low contact doesn't work. Ime the only thing that worked was full NC. Bluntly telling them you never want to see them again and if necessary changing phone number. You don't have to answer the door if she turns up unannounced.

It's bullying behaviour. She is trying to walk all over you and exert control because you stood up to her by changing plans for Monday.

Did you engage with her when she turned up?

Hoppinggreen · 11/08/2019 16:02

whosorrynow she didn’t get the better of you, you removed a source of her drama, which is like oxygen to these people.
Giving her what for would achieve nothing and make them feel even more “poor me” and give them ammo to show people how awful YOU are
Cutting them off is about the worst thing you can do to them as it deprives them of a target - so if it makes you feel better I think you got the better of her.

mummy3yearold · 11/08/2019 16:06

I think I will probably lose my DD and DB. Reason is, she said she preferred DB to me and listed all the reasons. Not the first time she has said this. Have texted DB that DM said she said she preferred him, and that I was OK with that, and that I loved him, and that I hope he can stay in contact with me, so far have had no response (he is generally wary of emotional conversations particularly manipulative ones so am not surprised). DD has not contacted me at all.

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VivaLeBeaver · 11/08/2019 16:10

Ring your brother, don't text him. This isn't a convo to have over text. Me and my brother had a frank conversation that we were not going to let our mum play us off one against the other and we were both going to ignore anything she said about the other.

This was before going NC, we both went NC at the same time so that worked out well.

CarolDanvers · 11/08/2019 16:16

My Dad bellowed at my dd and I went NC and haven't seen them in three years. He'd done it before and I had given quite a few chances over the years. This time something snapped. I didn't even confront him like I had before I just knew this was it. We were staying there and we got up the next day. My Mum denied anything had gone on and that was it. They still maintain to this day that he didn't do it and that I am uptight and unreasonable. They've told anyone who will listen this and I occasionally get snippets of this nonsense. I have one other sibling and they're on their best behaviour with her, they daren't risk falling out with her and having to consider if it's them who are the problem. I'm happier out of it and it was the right thing. LC wouldn't have worked, they always suck you back in that way.

diddl · 11/08/2019 18:34

Is your brother an adult who can make up his own mind about who he has contact with?

amiapropermum · 11/08/2019 20:34

People like her do have tantrums when boundaries are put in place because they want to put your back in your box. Ignore that. My own mother has been very similar my whole life but my brother and I went the other way once we reached our teens - rebelled instead of conformed.

Keep reinforcing those boundaries. You're on the right track. You said about your son knowing you were "taking" the bollocking for him - that's not right. Nobody should be getting a bollocking. You should be handing one out to people who talk to your son like that; not telling him to play differently to appease his grandmother.

When I was pregnant i explained to my father that my son would come first. No pandering to my mother who takes it badly when she's not the centre of attention. His suggestion was that we just went along with my mother until my son got to three or so and could "understand." I said no, that no more children were being sacrificed to try to please somebody who is actually completely unpleasable. And I've stuck to that. She couldn't see DS when he came home from hospital after being in NICU for a week when he was born because he had a chest infection. My dad thought I'd just bring him over to see her for an easy life. No way. Tantrums ensued but DS comes first and I don't give a shit who doesn't like it. Not my problem and it's not yours, OP. Ignore ignore ignore

amiapropermum · 11/08/2019 20:35

Sorry - my mother had a chest infection and the NICU doctors said she shouldn't see DS until the antibiotics kicked in, so 48 hours or so. I was still expected to offer him up and ignore his health concerns and doctor's advice just to appease her

billy1966 · 11/08/2019 21:00

Stay strong and think of your children's memories.

Memories are very strong.

mummy3yearold · 11/08/2019 21:38

Thank you for your lovely messages.

Yes, my brother is an adult who can make up his own mind :-)

amiapropermum well done for standing up and putting your son first.

Things are going well after a shaky start. I made it totally clear DS comes first and DH & I are his parents.

So glad I did this.

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