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DM screamed at my DS and made him cry on holiday

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mummy3yearold · 09/08/2019 23:02

Hi, I'm actually afraid to post this as I feel very guilty doing so. I am writing this anonymously.

Basically as a teenager I was hit quite a bit by my Mum. She called it "laying into" me. (Now she denies it and says it was not hitting, just smacking, and I was "not an easy child"). I never smoked, never drank alcohol, never did drugs, did not sleep around, did my school work, was bullied at school for being a swot....

Anyway this continued on and off in my twenties, when I went home during the summer I was occasionally screamed at, grabbed, had stuff thrown at me and on one occasion spat at in my face, the flob landed on my nose. Epithets I have been called include "child", "bitch", "slut" and "baby".

If I try and raise any of this I am accused of being "spoilt" and "poor me", or that I am being hysterical or exaggerating.

I feel she is very uninterested in my life and how I am doing and lives for my DS and my sibling's DCs. She wants to talk about her life or DS or the DCs. If I say "What about me?", I am accused of being "selfish, it's all about you".

If I say I feel afraid or walking on eggshells I am mocked.

Sometimes it is all sunshine and light and everything is cheerful and good fun and she acts like a BFF. Also my DM has been extraordinarily financially generous throughout my life.

Anyway that is the background. I am very angry, and very very tense about our recent holiday.

My DM shouted at me, I can take that. But I found it so hard when she shouted at my DS. I won't give his age - he is not three though (unlike my nickname) he is older. He came into me sobbing, he had been called "babyish" for something he had done that involved "manners". He hadn't sworn, thrown anything, disobeyed - he was just playing in a way that looked babyish to DM. When I hugged him and comforted him and began speaking to him about maybe playing differently next time, DM came in and began shouting at me too saying DS had no discipline was "spoilt" and gets his "own way". (Actually he has lots of discipline and we keep regular bedtimes and routines, as well as insisting he comes off the computer when asked).

He was also bellowed at again later in the week, for disobeying instructions. This also made him cry. He is not used to shouting. When I moved to comfort him I was bellowed at followed by a demand that I enforce the discipline. I refused and to my shame said "it is down to you" and backed off in a panic because I was so afraid of them.

I am sure DM has her own problems and was under pressure from responsibilities that she had at the time. She says she does these things out of love because she is worried about the future.

I am now trying to go low contact. This is proving tricky because she phones me up to chat a lot. I feel it is the best way to protect DS and keep some self respect.

Please feel free to add any insights.

OP posts:
TotheletterofthelawTHELETTER · 10/08/2019 10:40

What really stood out to me was that when you were comforting your son you told him to play differently.

You have been abused by your mother and now you are letting her abuse your son. By not standing up to her - and by telling him to be different - you are enabling the abuse.

I know it’s not easy but you need to cut contact, you can pay back a loan without seeing her. And I would definitely recommend counselling for you.

peekyboo · 10/08/2019 10:47

Age and health issues can make the behaviour worse but dementia doesn't pick and choose, and parents like this definitely choose their moments and their victims.

Holidays are like Christmas and birthdays, prime real estate for people who love to ruin happiness and peace of mind.

Whosorrynow · 10/08/2019 11:05

@mummy3yearold
Your mother is more toxic than novichok, we've got your back, we will help you 🤗
I also recommend these brilliant threads!
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/3588850-But-we-took-you-to-Stately-Homes-survivors-of-dysfunctional-and-toxic-families

Summerunderway · 10/08/2019 11:16

I am nc with dm. So are my dc. Even my adult dc... You need to prevent her abusing your dc. You do have the right to stop her seeing them - your dc not hers.... Text her you won't be in Monday and you aren't sure if /when you want to see her. Block her in all ways. As is your right also.
Imo you need to apologise to ds for asking him to play in a different way. Maybe tell him dm makes you feel rubbish too but that's stops now.
And mean it.

BarbedBloom · 10/08/2019 11:21

To make a secondary school child cry she must have been truly awful. The fact she told you to make him obey says it all too.

You need to protect your son, not teach him to change his behaviour to pacify an abuser. My mum did this and I had two relationships with abusive men because I was used to changing myself to avoid upsetting others.

Honestly, I would go straight to NC. She will not change. She sees her behaviour as normal and everyone else as wrong. She is surrounded by enablers (your dd) and I would be telling them that she abused you while they stood by and you will not let her do it to your son

I suspect your mother likes easy complaint children but as they get older and develop their own behaviours and thoughts she cannot stand it and the abuser comes out.

I cannot stress this enough as a child of abuse. This will damage your son as it has damaged you. You are continuing the cycle of abuse. You need therapy to help you untangle all of this, as I had. Pacifying her just puts a sticking plaster on, it will never heal the wound

Whosorrynow · 10/08/2019 11:31

You have more power than you realise OP
It sounds as if no one has ever properly stood up to your mother so she does not have a good strategy for dealing with dissent
She is not clever or strategic, she has very little self-control, her only technique is intimidation, all you need to do is stick to your guns, don't back down, she will just explode like a firework and make herself look like a complete idiot
just light the blue touchpaper and stand well back, she will destroy herself

mummy3yearold · 10/08/2019 11:34

A few minutes after the playing incident my son asked me to go to them and defend him so I did, by myself. I got such a bollocking from both of them but I took it for DS. I was told he was spoilt and babyish and it was my fault for not being disciplined enough!

The good thing is DS would have known I was taking that for him.

OP posts:
Whosorrynow · 10/08/2019 11:38

These people are a pair of idiots, disregard everything they say do not answer to them, do not explain yourself or justify yourself, do not engage with them over anything, they have no say in your life

aweedropofsancerre · 10/08/2019 11:39

Your an adult now. All this nonsense about taking abuse from your DM as that will show your DS your taking it for him? I mean what? You need to get some help for yourself. Protect your DS and keep him away from her. As for you , only you can decide on when to climb out of the darkness and see the light. Protect your DS

Whosorrynow · 10/08/2019 11:43

OP, the way that you speak suggest that you still see yourself as a small child in relation to your parents, it's as if you are not the parent of your son rather that you are his older sibling and you are trying to protect him in a childish kind of way by deflecting the parents anger from him onto you.

I'm very sorry but this is bullshit, you are an adult and you need to step up and protect your children like an adult, turn your back on these pieces of shit

Whosorrynow · 10/08/2019 11:45

This is all your parents doing
they have maneuvered and manipulated and held you in the position of a child so that you can never fully grow up inhabit an adult persona and stand up to them
they have stunted you to keep themselves in power

pooopypants · 10/08/2019 12:05

Please protect your child and your sanity. Go NC, immediately. This abuse will cause long term damage on your DC, as it already has for you

Stop taking money from them and cut them out of your lives.

andthentherewere · 10/08/2019 12:05

I think the fact you are so unsettled after the recent incidents is your gut instinct telling you enough is enough. You know what you need to do. Good luck!

37KAT · 10/08/2019 12:09

Hi, it does sound like phycological abuse. You're accepting it as on the flip side she is generous and your bff.
What is like with her other grandchildren?

Whosorrynow · 10/08/2019 12:11

The reason your mother has been extraordinarily generous is not because she likes you but because she enjoys the power that money gives her, she uses it to make you feel beholden to her
She enjoys jerking you around, she can make you happy, sad, scared just on a whim as she desires, it's all about exercising her power

Whosorrynow · 10/08/2019 12:12

she likes putting herself in the position of your BFF because that makes her feel as if she is youthful and better than you

Cloudyapples · 10/08/2019 12:19

Oh dear you’ve suddenly all come down with the most horrific and very contagious stomach bug. She can’t possibly come to visit on Monday.

Hoppinggreen · 10/08/2019 12:21

She physically and emotionally abused you and you go on holiday with her?
I get that it’s hard to break free from abusers but if not fir yourself do it for your children, she’s only shouted at your son for now but as she sees nothing wrong in hitting children that might be next

Lucifer666 · 10/08/2019 12:32

Wow OP just wow! 😱

OP I know you've been abused yourself and I can understand your fears of your DM and DF but you really need to open your eyes wide and look at the bigger picture. You sound like a bundle of nerves. Clearly your parents abuse has done massive damage to you and that's awful but its now at a point where your son is now at risk and you're not completely protecting him from it. I've been in a similar situation (though not as bad as yours) and I was really angry and bitter at my own DM for not protecting me when she did so for my siblings and it took years before I let it go and managed to forgive her but it really impacted our relationship and for alot of years I kept her at arms length and the most talking we did in that time was arguements because I never missed the chance to point out how she failed to protect me, trust me OP you don't want this to fuck up your relationship with your son its very hard to let go and forgive. Op you need to seek counselling immediately it will help you sort out all your issues over your parents and enable you to stand up for yourself and put a stop to it. Don't bother with low contact because your DM will wear you down again and before you know it you'll be back in the fold and in the firing line just go NC don't even tell them just do it and if DF asks why say calmly "after how my child has been treated I no longer want any contact" and leave it there. If they start harassing you call the police. As for the money well fuck paying it back if there's no written agreement on paying it back they'd be wasting their time and money over legal action, look at it as compensation for all the abuse you've endured at their hands.

OP read the signs and symptons of this page I think you'll find it helpful

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder

Topseyt · 10/08/2019 13:29

Oh blimey, she sounds horrific. I really struggle to imagine what she must have put you through over all of those years and agree with others that you should seek counselling.

You went NC with her before, and I would say that you are now going to have to do so again because she has now started on your poor DS. It would take a lot to make a secondary school aged boy come sobbing to his mother. Telling him to play differently was probably still just pandering to your abusive mother. I'd be reassuring him that now that this holiday is over there will never be another one with her.

Cancel the visit on Monday and tell her that you don't want her at your place again. In fact, tell her that because you consider her appalling behaviour so damaging to your DD you have decided that it is no longer in his interests, or even your own, to maintain any form of contact, so you will now be going no contact again. This time you will not be coming back to her.

She liked him when he was a relatively compliant young child. Secondary school children are not like that though. They are forming their own opinions and ideas and becoming much more questioning. Often rightly so, but this will not suit your mother's narrative so the abuse will resurface and ramp up and up again.

Please protect him properly. He is still an impressionable young lad in his formative years. Him seeing that you take abuse in his place will not be good either if you don't end the cycle by stopping the relationship and contact with your mother.

Topseyt · 10/08/2019 13:31

Damaging to your DS, I mean. Not DD.

billy1966 · 10/08/2019 13:37

Horrific to read.

Your poor son.

You need to cancel Monday and somehow find the strength to go NC with both your parents.

You sound almost institutionalized from the level of abuse you have suffered.

Your son is getting absolutely nothing from these relationships except awful memories.

It takes a lot to make your average teenager cry, even the sensitive ones.

Your poor son.

I wouldn't care what she is suffering from.

Keep her away, once and for all.

greenwaterbottle · 10/08/2019 14:05

Tbh I read your first paragraph and am very surprised you continue to expose yourself to this abuse but the fact that you let your child leaves me speechless.

MzHz · 10/08/2019 15:06

Don’t pay the money back, just cut her off and leave it there. If you make payments to her it will feed into the toxic dynamics and give her her feed.

Cancel Monday, be out and never ever allow her in your lives again

Seriously. I’m no contact with both my parents for different reasons to each other and life is sooooo much better without them.
My ds knows why and he’s happier without them too.

greenwaterbottle · 10/08/2019 15:19

What do they add to your life? Even your dad doesn't have your back.

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