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My mood swings are destroying things

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JessM83 · 24/07/2019 21:14

So really down just now.

At “that” time every month I seem to go crazy for 5/6 days. I just can’t stop myself getting really angry and every time I take it out on my husband.

We all have faults but he really is a great guy. Works full time, does the majority of the shopping and house chores yet this month for example I again have went crazy at him.

It comes on so quick I don’t even see it coming. He went for a shower after work and everything was fine then 20mins later he comes down and I scream at him out the room making lies up that he’s lazy round the house, his family irritate me etc. We then spend couple of days to a week not talking.

Almost every month this happens. He expects an apology every time which makes me more angry as he knows it’s not my fault.

Any suggestions 🙏

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Branleuse · 25/07/2019 12:20

you do have to apologise if youve been unreasonable, even if you felt you couldnt help it. Chances are you could help it if you needed to.
Also you need to make positive steps to change the behaviour on top of apologising and recognising and owning it

CuriousaboutSamphire · 25/07/2019 13:20

Let me see... when I was at my worst I did not seek help, I didn't need it, I was fine, it was everyone else that were useless fuckwits. DH was just the twat who got in the fucking way all the time and if he had asked for an apology I probabyly would have torn his head off.

He stuck with it because, from his perspective, it was a very sudden, complete personality change and he had known me long enough to be worried not angry. After many people telling him I was 'just hormonal' or 'it must be that time of the month' - you know, people like some posters here who downplay the effects of PMDD, despite insisting they are not - he sat me down and insisted we went to the GP and asked some serious questions.

The first two just repeated the mantra the third gave me a long explanation of what my body could be doing and how we could try to combat it! And that was it... all sorted.

but it's amazing how many of these people seem to be able to control themselves in every other situation except with their DP. As you yourself state, you were just about able to control yourself at work but at home you couldn't control yourself. I think you may have confused yourself there... I AM ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE who could control themselves in almost every other situation. But once relaxed, at home, taking off the polite publci face, putting on my pyjamas, I had no control, I had no way of stopping it, it took me over light a bloody tidal wave.

Stop imagining it as a conscious decision, a choice. It REALLY is not! Until you can believe that then any discussion about it is pointless!

CuriousaboutSamphire · 25/07/2019 13:28

Nick Could you find it in you to wait for that next calm period and talk to her with positive suggestions on how to combat her mood swings? Do you think she has PMDD? If so would you be willing hang on in there until she can be presuaded to see her GP and get help?

Not saying you have not done any/all of that but I know DH was absolutely baffled by me and my absolute fury - I wasn't just verbally abusive I was physically abusive too. I have no idea how/why he stuck around, we were not married at that time, he could have walked away!

For a few women I got to know in a support group (before the days of social media) there were a few of us who spent most of the month angry, boiling over and had just a few days of calm. We seemed to be the least open to help, advice, or just plain human kindness!

Knowing how I was you have my utmost sympathy

Hidingwhoiam · 25/07/2019 13:40

Let me see... when I was at my worst I did not seek help, I didn't need it, I was fine, it was everyone else that were useless fuckwits. DH was just the twat who got in the fucking way all the time and if he had asked for an apology I probabyly would have torn his head off

Like it or not. Having a reason or not still means its abuse. Great that you dh stuck by you. But you did eventually seek help. The same as if you had depression and was abusing you partner.

Again, op doesnt appear to treat her adult daughter like that. Even though she lives in the house too. Just her dp. Sqmensituation at home, in a safe space. But only directing it him.

The OP, as stated before is also to some degree financially abusing her partner. Is that not her own fault either?

SlightlyMisplacedSingleDad · 25/07/2019 13:54

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NickThe3rd · 25/07/2019 15:09

@CuriousaboutSamphire
I've stuck with it for a few years and I have no intention on bailing for 2-3 years. If there is a change in that time then I may reconsider at that point.

It wasn't sudden but a slow change so there was no sudden change to immediately identify. I don't know if it would be classed as PMDD at all but I'd guess it is hormone related from the behaviour patterns and has significantly worsened with age/over last few years (both in duration and in ferocity) but it is also potentially the age when a woman's hormones may be changing anyway. It could therefore continue to worsen for a good few years of which I am mindful. It could just be that she really despises me and the children as well sometimes - that's how it feels a lot of the time.

I have tried discussing it but... as another poster has indicated, it wasn't well received and just escalated to an argument/anger/rage. Approaching the subject during a calm period has been tried, I don't believe it had any more effect and with the absence of the issue present was easy to declare "I'm fine, you're making it up". Creating an atmosphere during the calm periods removes the relaxation time of the month.

I do hope that having sowed the seed, a bit more self-analysis will take place and hopefully they will realise I'm not making it up. I appreciate that you can't make somebody change but I also think I owe it to my partner to at least help them be the best they can be. Surely life must be crap for them as well? If that means putting up with crap for a few years/enjoying life outside of the home environment then I can do that for a bit.

I liken it to how people deal with partners who have alcohol/gambling etc problems, they have to recognise it/want to change it and resolve the problem for the relationship to survive.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 25/07/2019 15:10

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ComeOnGordon · 25/07/2019 15:12

Black Cohosh has completely stopped my PMS symptoms

CuriousaboutSamphire · 25/07/2019 15:13

Nick no matter what, do look after yourself and your kids.

I was lucky with DH it seems. Maybe he too was lucky that I did manage to hear what he was saying (eventually).

As you say though, you don't know, can't know if she has PMDD if she won't help herself. Just don't be the succesfully boiled frog, bail before the water becomes too hot!

CuriousaboutSamphire · 25/07/2019 15:14

You got away with it. I just noticed that little pearl. And you think I was the abusive one Grin

CuriousaboutSamphire · 25/07/2019 15:23

Look! I am not defending the OP... she has other threads that have a lot more information than this one.. that makes her position different tahn being shown here.

BUT I am frankly disgusted that every time PMDD comes up so many posters, male and female, leap to the same demonisation. Your lack of understanding simply means that many women will continue to suffer PMDD without seeking help. People like you will make it very clear that it is a choice, an behaviour that some women embark upon quite happily AND YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!

You are dangerous. With your puritannical pronouncements and smug denouncing. You really do need to think about what it is you hope to achieve posting things like "You got away with it" - what was that supposed to do? It certainly would not encourage any woman who thought she might have PMDD seek help.. the very thing you claim to be encouraging would become something else to be feared.

MN at its very, very worst!

AnneLovesGilbert · 25/07/2019 17:14

As OP hasn’t got a diagnosis of anything, whether or not it might explain her very poor behaviour, it’s premature and unhelpful for people to go off on one about other people’s lack of sympathy for something she may not actually have.

SomewhereInbetween1 · 25/07/2019 17:19

What are you talking about? It is ABSOLUTELY your fault!

CuriousaboutSamphire · 25/07/2019 17:38

Ignorance is bliss... arrogant, self certain, bliss!

And I am going off on one because, as usual for MN, such shit is all women with PMDD get!

Excuse me for being annoyed that some people simply do not understand and refuse to try to accpet that it is a mental health issues with no real known underlyign cause, currently assumed to be due to hormone sensitivity with a possible genetic predisposition.

MIND get it, thankfully many GPs get it these days!

Get educated. Stop insisting there is any choice in the matter for many sufferers. It is not PMS.. it is not being a bit emotional... it is a fucking horrendous, life jarring, relationship killing condition that needs more awareness. And less of the prissy mouthed judgment as seen here!

Hidingwhoiam · 25/07/2019 17:51

CuriousaboutSamphire you are defending the OP on assumption she has the same issue that you do.

But you dont know that.

As has been pointed out she has a 2p year old, that lives with her that doesnt come in for this abuse. She also knows her partner is struggling with money as he pays a larger share of the household Bill's (the daughter doesn't pay anything) and all the day to day costs and the OP is not contributing more because she is giving it to her daughter. The daughter who has part time job and a maintenance loan.

The OP also acknowledged there was a problem and it was her months ago. So it's not that she think she is genuinely right. She knows what it is and linked to her periods. But still not seeking help.

Its absolutely her fault

CuriousaboutSamphire · 25/07/2019 17:55

READ WHAT I SAID....

Look! I am not defending the OP... she has other threads that have a lot more information than this one.. that makes her position different tahn being shown here.

I am trying to point out that those shouting about choices are wrong... call it a hobby horse of mine! Given the utter tripe posted here about PMDD can you blame me?

15YemenRoad · 25/07/2019 18:13

@CuriousaboutSamphire ODFOD. You've made so many damn assumptions, unless the OP confirms your assumption - zip it. You made your point once, that was fine, but to keep going at it and being rude to other posters you're just looking like an irresponsible, arrogant lunatic.

The biggest thing with you is - YOU SOUGHT HELP. That makes a huge difference, you recognised a problem and wanted a way out. That's taking responsibility for yourself and your actions. However, it does not excuse the abuse both emotional and physical that you gave to your husband. That will always be wrong. Fortunately you are in a better position but it got to that point because you took a positive step to make changes.

It's evident the OP hasn't sought any help between now and her previous thread. OP's partner is also funding her adult daughter without knowing it, she is financially abusing him too. It's all shades of fucked up what the OP is doing and until she seeks help she will remain abusive and I would hope that her partner does leave her - no one deserves such treatment.

Hidingwhoiam · 25/07/2019 18:17

So what are you doing then?

Talking about a possibly irrelevant condition for what reason?

The ops situation is different to yours.

My honest opinion it doesnt matter if its depression, anxiety, hormonal or anything else if you are abusing your partner you are abusing your partner. My advice to any partner who was being abused would be to leave at least until that person stops abusing, whatever the reason is.

I am glad you got help and glad you are better. But that doesnt change that abuse is abuse. Whatever the reason behind it.

Lots if abusers do so, because something has happened in their formative years. I bet all abusers could come up with a psychological or medical reason for their abuse. It's still abuse.

What you are saying is that, actually, abuse doesnt exist if the perpetrator has a medical reason for it. I dont agree.

samyeagar · 25/07/2019 18:23

@curiousaboutsamphire

Yeah, I think some people have been pretty harsh and unempathetic towards what is no doubt a very serious, debilitating, and painful medical condition.

That said, it is important to acknowledge that abuse is behaviour, independent of motive or cause, and anyone who engages in such behaviour is, by definition, an abuser.

My ex-wife is clinically diagnosed narcissistic personality disorder and borderline personality disorder, so I am very familiar with the whole spectrum of abuse. She has medical conditions that are essentially untreatable, and can not control her behaviour most of the time. That fact does not change the fact that she is an abuser.

Hopoindown31 · 25/07/2019 19:21

Of course PMDD suffers need help and support from healthcare professionals. However, this doesn't mean that they are okay to continue to subject their partners to continued abuse until they have sorted out their condition. It is no different to mental health conditions that have similar impacts on behaviour.

It is not be unsympathetic to state that you have no right to abuse other people regardless of the cause and that person has no requirement to stay in an abusive relationship.

theunrivalledjoysofparenting · 25/07/2019 20:52

@CuriousaboutSamphire, you are coming across as very aggressive. You don’t know that op has your condition.

Op could just be abusive. Who knows? But I don’t think you’re helping by labouring your point.

AnneLovesGilbert · 25/07/2019 22:50

My honest opinion it doesnt matter if its depression, anxiety, hormonal or anything else if you are abusing your partner you are abusing your partner.

Yup.

curious, you seem very angry. Are you sure you’re feeling better? Maybe you should start your own thread instead of victim blaming on OPs.

SlightlyMisplacedSingleDad · 26/07/2019 01:05

Thank you to all those posters who have called out that the abusive behaviour of the OP towards her partner is not okay. I just wanted to share an email that I have tonight sent to MNHQ, seeking an explanation of the moderation decision made earlier to delete my comment , in which I made the point that, irrespective of medical conditons, abusers are always responsible for their actions.

It may seem unneccessarily awkward to share this email, or even to raise the issue with MNHQ. But we live in a world where male victims of abuse are significantly less likely than women to come forward, and seek help. Much of that is related to societal attitudes towards domestic abuse, which too often dismiss the experience of men. I subscribe firmly to the view that abuse is always wrong, irrespective of whether the offender or victim is male or female. And that, while offenders will always have a reason as why their behaviour was 'justified', society as a whole must always reject domestic abuse, and be clear that criminal behaviour within intimate relationships is wrong. Only that way, can attitudes be changed and we finally remove the scourge of domestic abuse from our society.

So I will continue to call it out when anybody - male or female - acts as an apologist for abusers. And I will always challenge platforms such as Mumsnet when their editorial policies side with the offender, rather than the victim. I am encouraged by the attitude of the majority on this thread, that society as a whole "gets it", and will not defend abusers. It is time for Mumsnet, and other platforms, to do the same.

*Dear MNHQ

I am writing to request an explanation of a moderation decision made today in respect of a comment that I left on the following discussion thread, please:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/3646994-My-mood-swings-are-destroying-things?pg=4&order=

The context is that another user had posted a series of comments on the thread that consistently minimised the domestic abuse perpetrated by the female OP against her male partner, on the grounds that the female OP was suffering from a hormonal condition that made her incapable of controlling her behaviour towards her partner. The OP had herself said that her "mood swings" were causing difficulties with her partner, and described behaviour that clearly constitutes domestic abuse under all widely recognised definitions of the term, including those within English law. The commenter @curiousaboutsamphire had described how she suffered from a hormonal issue (PMDD) and had behaved in a way that was abusive towards her then-partner (now-husband), including physical abuse. Happily, she had now resolved her own issues, but consistently adopted a position that minimised the abuse perpetrated by the OP against her own partner, on the basis that the OP could not be held responsible for her behaviour.

I posted a comment that emphasised that, irrespective of any medical conditions that may apply, abuse is a criminal offence, and that it is not helpful to reinforce the OP's view that they are incapable of managing their own behaviour, not to blame for the abuse that results, and therefore absolved of any responsibility for the abuse that they perpetrate.

That comment was deleted following moderation, while a number of aggressive comments from @curiousaboutsamphire, which reinforced the position that a woman suffering from PMDD was not responsible for her own actions, were allowed to stand.

As a male victim of domestic abuse and domestic violence, I find the editorial position adopted by Mumsnet deeply concerning. In deleting a comment that calls out the fact that abuse is never okay, while allowing comments that assert that female perpetrators of domestic violence are not responsible for their actions if they are suffering from PMDD, MMHQ appears to endorse a view that domestic violence towards men is justifiable if perpetrated by a woman with a medical condition.

With 1 in 3 victims of domestic abuse being men (source: British Crime Survey), this is an extremely dangerous viewpoint to endorse. Could you therefore please provide me with an explanation of your moderation decision, specifically covering the following:

  1. Does MNHQ accept that domestic violence is always wrong, irrespective of whether the perpetrator / victim is male or female?
  1. Does MNHQ believe that women suffering from PMDD or any other health condition are responsible for abusive behaviours that they perpetrate? Or does MNHQ believe that certain health conditions justify or absolve the perpetrator of domestic violence / abuse of responsibility if they are female?
  1. Does MNHQ accept the view that victims of domestic abuse - whether male or female - should be supported to leave the abusive relationship if they wish, and should never be blamed for the abuse that they have endured?
  1. Does MNHQ believe that it is helpful to victims of abuse to perpetuate the view that perpetrators of abuse - whether male or female - are incapable of controlling their own behaviour? This may be because of hormones, uncontrollable anger, the behaviour of the victim (which, in the eyes of the abuser, 'justifies' the abuse), or for any other factor other than the propensity and preference of abusers to abuse?
  1. If MNHQ believes that perpetrators of abuse - whether male or female - are responsible for their own actions, could you please explain why you felt it appropriate to delete a comment making that point, while allowing comments that perpetuate the view that certain abusers are not responsible for their actions to stand?

I would appreciate a speedy response on this please. I don't wish to be difficult, but it is a serious concern when a major social media platform such as Mumsnet appears to adopt a moderation / editorial position that endorses abusive behaviour towards men if the perpetrator is female and suffering from a medical condition.

I look forward to your response.*

ShatnersWig · 26/07/2019 07:46

Dad I bet you won't get a response.

Fibbke · 26/07/2019 07:52

Havent read the whole thread

HRT totally changed my moods which had got worse and worse from about 45 onwards. You don't say how old you are.

I sympathise, its horrible. You must apologise though.

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