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Partner pinned down 4 yr old

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anonaoc · 15/07/2019 19:44

Hi everyone,

I'm at a loss with the relationship between my partner and our 4 year old son.
A little bit about our son. He is a mellow child, well mannered, with whom I can have conversations about life and silly things, we do lots of things together and we enjoy each others company, he's very bright, kind, I could go on.
But he's still a 4 year old, so the old tantrum here and there, coupled with him having started a new nursery since the beginning of the month, and an ear infection so enough on his plate. My DP on the other hand blames my son for everything and seems to have a very short temper lately. DP blames DS for his lack of sleep, telling him he ruined his sleep, tells him that he's selfish, DS only thinking of himself, laughing when he gets hurt, told him he'd die if he doesn't eat his veg. I am so close to leaving him.
Today DS got angry at DP for teasing him and kicked DP. DP then pinned him down and DS started screaming mommy!mommy! I rushed from the kitchen urge DP to let him go and DP insisting DS needs to learn not to kick because it's not ok. So he keeps holding him down, DS clearly distressed and DP telling telling DS to say he's sorry. I told him it doesn't work like that, DS is too upset. Grabbed his arm and tried to free DS but well he is much stronger.
This has had such an impact on me. I dread to think how my son felt in the moment. I was physically, emotionally and verbally abused as a child. It triggered me really bad, it sent me right back to my childhood. I have anxiety and suffer from PTSD (go to therapy). I carry such a heavy burden of ending the cycle, but I'm scared of leaving my son without a constant father through separation.
After DS settled I wanted to talk to him. Asked how he was feeling, he couldn't say so I brought a book with kids faces that show emotions. DS pointed to a sad face and said he wanted to break free but couldn't and started crying again asking why wouldn't daddy let me go?
I want him to get some help. I suggested this in the past, he said he doesn't feel he needs it. I ordered some books on child (and brain)development so he could read (I cling to the last thread of hope). I know that if he doesn't make any progress in this sense, we would have to go our separate ways. We are supposed to share childcare, although I end up doing most of it just to give DP more time for himself, rest etc I barely sleep but I still manage to stay calm because I developed this dialogue with DP where he tells me what's wrong. But DPs mood doesn't change. I fell I have to amend my behaviour not to upset him (exactly what I did as a child and hated it). I'm not scared of him, but if I say try a calmer tone when he's disciplining DS he'l lose it. I don't agree with the common front for parents. My parents did that although it killed my mom to witness the abuse, but now I find her equally to blame although I can rationalize her position at them time.
DP spends most of his time on his phone then complains he has no time left. I restrict my phone usage while DS is with us. DS goes 3 full days, and 2 half days at a private nursery. We only spend the weekend together (I settle him for bedtime during the week). I feel that my son deserves better.

Please be kind.

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formerbabe · 15/07/2019 19:48

This is terrifying. You need to protect your son above all else. Hopefully someone will be along with practical advice about how you do that.

Hassled · 15/07/2019 19:49

You need to leave, and you know that on some level or you wouldn't have posted. Yes, it's going to be bloody hard but your son deserves a better life than this. And so do you. What you've described is absolutely horrific - I guess to you it's pretty standard. And that's his doing.

ems137 · 15/07/2019 19:50

You're post made me so sad for your little boy. You must protect him. I've got 4 children, one is coming up 4 and the youngest is 2. It absolutely breaks my heart to think about them being in your little boys shoes.

Without being a drama queen, it's seriously only one step away from your husband actually hitting, kicking or battering your son. Seriously. You need to protect your baby and leave.

IntoValhalla · 15/07/2019 19:50

Plain and simple: your partner has consistently emotionally abused your child and it has now escalated to physical abuse.
Please protect your son from this “man” Sad

22esmeweatherwax · 15/07/2019 19:50

Your son does indeed deserve better. Pinning him down like a this as a form of discipline is so wrong. Your DP has a huge problem if he thinks this is ok. Poor DS. You need to protect him.

foreverhanging · 15/07/2019 19:51

You have to leave

Fonduefrolics · 15/07/2019 19:51

You and your son deserve better.

You said you were scared to leave your son without a constant father figure? What does he contribute now? Teasing, blaming, physical punishment and pays more attention to his phone. Not much of a dad by the sounds of it.

Moveit123 · 15/07/2019 19:52

Protect your son and leave him. It will be very hard but very worth it.

Sadie789 · 15/07/2019 19:52

Do not put up with this. If not for your own sake but the sake of your son you must end this relationship.

I hope you have some support in doing so as I fear it might not be that easy to simply leave this man and cut all ties. He seems dangerous.

Please leave.

goatsgalore · 15/07/2019 19:53

Please leave before you're not there WHEN this happens again.

LonginesPrime · 15/07/2019 19:53

I feel that my son deserves better.

Yes, he does.

It's positive that you can see this in the context of your own childhood, but it sounds like you're in denial about the impact your husband's behaviour is having on your DS.

You seem poised to give things another chance and wait and see, but meanwhile your DS is suffering a huge amount of damage.

I know it's hard, OP (I've been there too), but please don't put your DS through what you went through anymore - as you say, it's up to you to end the cycle of abuse, so you need to stop thinking and talking about it and actually do it. Thanks

SuzieQ10 · 15/07/2019 19:55

His behaviour is abusive. It will most likely get worse, not better. Don't stay with him, you need to protect your child.

SleepingStandingUp · 15/07/2019 19:55

Please please leave.

You've been your son. You know how that's damaged you.

Imagine if you hadn't been there. Imagine if you'd popped to the shops. Imagine if DS in panic had managed to swing a leg or bite his abusive father, what else would he have done to him?

Please please OP, break the damn cycle. You are stringer than your Mum. You can protect him.

fuckingtwats · 15/07/2019 19:56

That's no father figure to hang onto. What an awful cowardly bully your partner is to do that to an innocent 4 yo Sad

I bet he wouldn't dream of doing that to someone his own strength/age.

I'm sorry for you too OP as you sound like you d been through it and so you and your son both deserve better.

anonaoc · 15/07/2019 19:56

Hi. My DP told me he was just holding him down, not pressing on him in order to hurt him. But for me it doesn't matter. That is humiliating and I recognize it when I see it.

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Bourbonbiccy · 15/07/2019 19:57

This is so so sad for you son. He deserves so much better and sadly that is now down to you to ensure this happens as your partner is obviously going through something and has lost control.

I was sad for your son even at the start, with the things your partner said to him before the physically intimidating him part.

You need to get your partner out of the house for a few weeks/months until he can price he has temper and attitude under control. Or you need to leave with your son.

I would do whatever it took to get him away from my son, tonight. It should not be down to you solely, but sadly, now it is, so you need to act to protect your son !!!!!

Good luck 💐💐💐

sleepingdragon · 15/07/2019 19:58

I am sorry that your history seems to be repeating itself. You are in the position your mum was is when you were a child. Do you wish she had stepped up and protected you, or that she continued to appease your abuser to slightly lessen the abuse you suffered? You are strong enough to stop the cycle and protect your son. Growing up in a single parent household is in no way comparable to growing up abused by the people who are supposed to love and protect you.

Rachelover40 · 15/07/2019 19:58

Your DP is not D at all. Get rid of him!

I re-read your op, anonaoc, and got the impression (unless I missed something), you don't live together as you say you only have the weekend together. If that is the case, good. Keep your weekends for you and your little boy and eventually someone better will come into your life.

Sassypants82 · 15/07/2019 19:59

Your partner is abusing your son. I'm so sorry. Please leave as soon as possible and protect him. This is not OK and honestly, reading your post made me feel sick to my stomach. I have a 5yr old son and I'd be absolutely heartbroken if anyone treated him like that.

Please get out as soon as possible.

CuntyMcBollocks · 15/07/2019 20:01

You say you're scared of leaving your son without a constant father through separation. Do you really think it's better to have this 'man' in your son's life, (where he will physically abuse your son) just because he's his dad? If that's the alternative, it's best to have NO father. He is an abusive cunt and you need to get your son far, far away from him!!

LonginesPrime · 15/07/2019 20:01

But for me it doesn't matter. That is humiliating and I recognize it when I see it.

It's not just humiliating to a 4 year old being pinned down by an adult, though, is it, OP? It's fucking terrifying.

You're minimising the trauma your husband is causing to your DC and while the fact you can't see this for what it actually is is understandable given your own past, I feel desperately sorry for your poor DS.

Who is going to protect him if you don't?

anonaoc · 15/07/2019 20:01

Rachelover40 we live together.

My therapist has told me to try and persuade him to get help. I tod her I wanted to end things but she said I needed to gie it another try. I will tell her this week when I see her how things have escalated.

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BishopofBathandWells · 15/07/2019 20:03

I don't know why on earth your therapist would tell you that. Your DP pinned your child to the ground and refused to let him go despite him screaming for him to stop. I feel sick just typing that, God knows how you feel. Please leave him. Your son needs to know you're on his side.

WhatTheAbsoluteFuck · 15/07/2019 20:03

You and your DS have been emotionally abused

DS has now been physically abused

No father is better than an abusive one

You know this. You know what to do.

LauraPalmersBodybag · 15/07/2019 20:05

You need to leave, op. I hope you can find the strength to do it as quickly and as safely as you’re able.

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