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Partner pinned down 4 yr old

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anonaoc · 15/07/2019 19:44

Hi everyone,

I'm at a loss with the relationship between my partner and our 4 year old son.
A little bit about our son. He is a mellow child, well mannered, with whom I can have conversations about life and silly things, we do lots of things together and we enjoy each others company, he's very bright, kind, I could go on.
But he's still a 4 year old, so the old tantrum here and there, coupled with him having started a new nursery since the beginning of the month, and an ear infection so enough on his plate. My DP on the other hand blames my son for everything and seems to have a very short temper lately. DP blames DS for his lack of sleep, telling him he ruined his sleep, tells him that he's selfish, DS only thinking of himself, laughing when he gets hurt, told him he'd die if he doesn't eat his veg. I am so close to leaving him.
Today DS got angry at DP for teasing him and kicked DP. DP then pinned him down and DS started screaming mommy!mommy! I rushed from the kitchen urge DP to let him go and DP insisting DS needs to learn not to kick because it's not ok. So he keeps holding him down, DS clearly distressed and DP telling telling DS to say he's sorry. I told him it doesn't work like that, DS is too upset. Grabbed his arm and tried to free DS but well he is much stronger.
This has had such an impact on me. I dread to think how my son felt in the moment. I was physically, emotionally and verbally abused as a child. It triggered me really bad, it sent me right back to my childhood. I have anxiety and suffer from PTSD (go to therapy). I carry such a heavy burden of ending the cycle, but I'm scared of leaving my son without a constant father through separation.
After DS settled I wanted to talk to him. Asked how he was feeling, he couldn't say so I brought a book with kids faces that show emotions. DS pointed to a sad face and said he wanted to break free but couldn't and started crying again asking why wouldn't daddy let me go?
I want him to get some help. I suggested this in the past, he said he doesn't feel he needs it. I ordered some books on child (and brain)development so he could read (I cling to the last thread of hope). I know that if he doesn't make any progress in this sense, we would have to go our separate ways. We are supposed to share childcare, although I end up doing most of it just to give DP more time for himself, rest etc I barely sleep but I still manage to stay calm because I developed this dialogue with DP where he tells me what's wrong. But DPs mood doesn't change. I fell I have to amend my behaviour not to upset him (exactly what I did as a child and hated it). I'm not scared of him, but if I say try a calmer tone when he's disciplining DS he'l lose it. I don't agree with the common front for parents. My parents did that although it killed my mom to witness the abuse, but now I find her equally to blame although I can rationalize her position at them time.
DP spends most of his time on his phone then complains he has no time left. I restrict my phone usage while DS is with us. DS goes 3 full days, and 2 half days at a private nursery. We only spend the weekend together (I settle him for bedtime during the week). I feel that my son deserves better.

Please be kind.

OP posts:
WhatTheAbsoluteFuck · 15/07/2019 20:05

Also your therapist is a complete twat

Find a new one

Burlea · 15/07/2019 20:05

anonaoc no you don't need to ask your therapist, you need to leave NOW if you want to protect your son. What happens when you're not there.

LonginesPrime · 15/07/2019 20:06

I will tell her this week when I see her how things have escalated

Can you not see how this is a completely inappropriate response to what's happened?

Unless this is a wind-up, you need to get your DS out of there now.

Thingsdogetbetter · 15/07/2019 20:06

Your therapist is a fucking idiot! Leave them too!

Bookworm4 · 15/07/2019 20:07

Your therapist is crap, encouraging you to stay with a man who is emotionally & physically abusing a 4 yr old child? If he does this at 4 what’s coming next year? A punch?
Do not repeat the cycle of abuse, protect your son and get away from him. He doesn’t need saved; your son does.

MothralovesGojira · 15/07/2019 20:08

I'm so sorry for you and your DS but you know that your DP has to leave. He has to leave tonight. If you do not make him leave then you are failing your DS as your own mother failed you. Tell him that you are calling the police and then there will be a referral to social services. Or do you want to find social services on your doorstep because it's been picked up at his nursery? If you are not able to call the police yourself then tell the nursery and they will contact SS for you. Please bear the following in mind:

He has assaulted your child and you were powerless to stop him.

He will do it again.

You have given him more than enough opportunities to learn how to parent - he has decided not to engage.

You will be unable to trust him ever again. Never.

Do you want your son to feel and live as you did? Abused and powerless?

Please, please get this man out of your home tonight. Report him to the police. Please.

LonginesPrime · 15/07/2019 20:09

The OP is in denial and her therapist only knows what she's been told by the OP.

mommybear1 · 15/07/2019 20:09

Leave. You don't need permission from a therapist or anyone else what he has done to your baby today is unforgivable- he will do it again and will no doubt escalate- please please leave.

SignedUpJust4This · 15/07/2019 20:10

Your son should. Not be terrified of his father. This is so sad. Please leave before more damage is done.

ConorMcGregorsChin · 15/07/2019 20:10

I think you already knew before you posted (and by your thread title) that you need to get out. Keep your child safe. Please.

You need to leave. Now. If you haven't already

Bourbonbiccy · 15/07/2019 20:13

Your partners behaviour is appalling, but if you don't protect him, you are not doing right by him either.

Please, please get him out or you and your son out.

BoredToday · 15/07/2019 20:14

Your husband is a pussy.
Hopefully someone his own size, one day will teach him some manners.
Must be so embarrassing being married to a coward.
You're the second poster in 2 days that has a pussy for a husband.
The other one pins his 9 years old down.

formerbabe · 15/07/2019 20:16

I agree you should report it. What happens if you leave him and he gets access and has your son alone and you're not there to protect him?

urbanlife · 15/07/2019 20:16

Your therapist is completely wrong, perhaps looking for more money/another patient.

You have to break the cycle.

Leave op, take your son with you and show him what it is like to live in a home with no fear.

IncrediblySadToo · 15/07/2019 20:18

Either you misunderstood your therapist or she needs be reported.

I’m sorry you are going through this after your own dreadful childhood 🌷

Your son wasn’t simply ‘humiliated’ (as bad as that would be’ the poor little lad was absolutely fucking terrified he was trapped by a fully grown man so he couldn’t escape

Trapped by a man who is supposed to love & PROTECT him

You and DS need to leave or he does, I would also go to court over access and make sure it was ‘supervised contact only’ speak to a solicitor tomorrow he would not be seeing him until that was in place

If you were my friend you & DS WOULD BE WELCOME to come & stay. ADK your friends it go to a refuge.

Poor DS 😢xx

ThatCurlyGirl · 15/07/2019 20:18

Oh my god this has given me absolute chills. Why the fuck are you considering asking him to get help before leaving him. Your son is being at best bullied and at worst abused.

You are allowing your sons life to be made utterly miserable. Emotional abuse has escalated to physical abuse.

I bet he wouldn't pin down someone his own size. Bastard.

So when are you leaving him?

SuzieQQQ · 15/07/2019 20:20

You are already doing what your mother did to you which is let you be abused . You are failing your son. Leave now. You are enabling the abuse of a child. I am disgusted reading this. Your poor son.

voddiekeepsmesane · 15/07/2019 20:20

FFS while I understand you have been brainwashed I think that surely you can see that your ARE continuing the abuse cycle for your 4 year old. Just stop and think about your DS and only him....not you, not your cunt of a DP just a small defenceless 4 year old who is growing up in an abusive household. Leave now before you damage him for life , you of all people know this.

PenguindreamsofDraco · 15/07/2019 20:21

FFS surely no-one is a poor enough parent to think this is redeemable.

Your son only has you. Get him safe.

ThatCurlyGirl · 15/07/2019 20:22

Also @anonaoc this is utterly at odds with any code of conduct I have ever heard:

My therapist has told me to try and persuade him to get help. I tod her I wanted to end things but she said I needed to gie it another try.

Seriously, this is a really, really, really bad therapist. You need to drop her too.

YouJustDoYou · 15/07/2019 20:30

Ok, op- my mum LET my dad do this too. She chose to stay with him - it absokutely FUCKED me up as a child and this continued into adulthood. No one helped me as a child. No one stood up for me and protected me from the absolute fear I felt of my father. And later in life I very much deeply, deeply resented my mother for choosing to stay with a man who would create that environment with us because it meant she was complicit in the whole thing. Why didn't she choose my safety over his feelings? Why didn't she choose us over having a "family life"?

yeahokright · 15/07/2019 20:37

Jesus Christ OP. Protect your child! I could cry for your poor child. Please do the right thing.

PositiveVibez · 15/07/2019 20:39

Your therapist is a quack.

You don't need their permission to leave your evil, cruel, bullying partner.

He is verbally, emotionally, and now physically abusive to a four year old.

What an absolute piece of shit.

You and you son need to get away from this pathetic creature.

WomanLikeMeLM · 15/07/2019 20:44

I would check your sons arms to see if any hand-mark bruises appear, photograph them then go report your pathetic partner to the Police. If you fail to you are not protecting your son and i find that deplorable. Your partner assaulted a 4 year old, vile absolutely vile.Angry

Karmin · 15/07/2019 20:50

Womens Aid. Now.

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