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Partner pinned down 4 yr old

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anonaoc · 15/07/2019 19:44

Hi everyone,

I'm at a loss with the relationship between my partner and our 4 year old son.
A little bit about our son. He is a mellow child, well mannered, with whom I can have conversations about life and silly things, we do lots of things together and we enjoy each others company, he's very bright, kind, I could go on.
But he's still a 4 year old, so the old tantrum here and there, coupled with him having started a new nursery since the beginning of the month, and an ear infection so enough on his plate. My DP on the other hand blames my son for everything and seems to have a very short temper lately. DP blames DS for his lack of sleep, telling him he ruined his sleep, tells him that he's selfish, DS only thinking of himself, laughing when he gets hurt, told him he'd die if he doesn't eat his veg. I am so close to leaving him.
Today DS got angry at DP for teasing him and kicked DP. DP then pinned him down and DS started screaming mommy!mommy! I rushed from the kitchen urge DP to let him go and DP insisting DS needs to learn not to kick because it's not ok. So he keeps holding him down, DS clearly distressed and DP telling telling DS to say he's sorry. I told him it doesn't work like that, DS is too upset. Grabbed his arm and tried to free DS but well he is much stronger.
This has had such an impact on me. I dread to think how my son felt in the moment. I was physically, emotionally and verbally abused as a child. It triggered me really bad, it sent me right back to my childhood. I have anxiety and suffer from PTSD (go to therapy). I carry such a heavy burden of ending the cycle, but I'm scared of leaving my son without a constant father through separation.
After DS settled I wanted to talk to him. Asked how he was feeling, he couldn't say so I brought a book with kids faces that show emotions. DS pointed to a sad face and said he wanted to break free but couldn't and started crying again asking why wouldn't daddy let me go?
I want him to get some help. I suggested this in the past, he said he doesn't feel he needs it. I ordered some books on child (and brain)development so he could read (I cling to the last thread of hope). I know that if he doesn't make any progress in this sense, we would have to go our separate ways. We are supposed to share childcare, although I end up doing most of it just to give DP more time for himself, rest etc I barely sleep but I still manage to stay calm because I developed this dialogue with DP where he tells me what's wrong. But DPs mood doesn't change. I fell I have to amend my behaviour not to upset him (exactly what I did as a child and hated it). I'm not scared of him, but if I say try a calmer tone when he's disciplining DS he'l lose it. I don't agree with the common front for parents. My parents did that although it killed my mom to witness the abuse, but now I find her equally to blame although I can rationalize her position at them time.
DP spends most of his time on his phone then complains he has no time left. I restrict my phone usage while DS is with us. DS goes 3 full days, and 2 half days at a private nursery. We only spend the weekend together (I settle him for bedtime during the week). I feel that my son deserves better.

Please be kind.

OP posts:
LargeGlassofWhiteWine · 16/07/2019 02:19

There's a famous saying - "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing". Your P is abusive and (from your PP about the cruel things he has said to your DS) he is evil, laughing when he hurts himself?! What kind of sick person does that? By choosing to stay YOU are allowing his evil to triumph in your DS's life, you are doing nothing. Talking to your son after the event, taking time to think it through and having your P's sister and friend have a word with him about it doesn't change what he's done and the fact that he is escalating. This will only get worse. You don't need to think it through, you know from your own experience the impact abuse has on a child. He has to leave, permanently, how could you possibly ever trust him around your DS again? If you stay with this monster you are showing your DS exactly where he sits in your life and it's not #1 like he should be but that his mothers priority is the person who hurts him physically, emotionally and psychologically. You need to report what happened so you can stop him having unsupervised access. Also why are you the one sorting somewhere for this child abuser to go? Your DS should be your 1 and only concern here but you're putting his abusers needs above his. Kick him out, hes a big boy he can figure out somewhere to stay.

Sorry that was long but this has struck a cord with me as a victim survivor of child abuse. Be your sons protector, be the mother you never had, stand up for your gorgeous little boy, he cant do it himself.

cryer · 16/07/2019 02:57

You need to report him. He's abusing your son emotionally and physically. You have to protect him and leave. You can't fix an abuser and it's not fair on your son for you to stick around trying to do so.

TowelNumber42 · 16/07/2019 03:07

But I can't just leave, we will end up in the streets.
What do you wish your mum had done?
Call SS. They will help you leave.
What's if he says no to his sister? Do you sit DS down and explain this is his new reality? Better get used to us being beaten son, there's no alternative. No?

flumpybear · 16/07/2019 03:29

Fucking hell!
That's so very sad, your poor son. He's got one person in his life now who can do the right thing, that's you. Make him safe, keep him away from this excuse of a man.
Don't even let him see your child alone again, he's a child abuser and a bully

isitwhatitis · 16/07/2019 03:59

Your partner is abusive to your son and will start on you at some point. If he will abuse a child then he has already sunk as low as possible.

zippey · 16/07/2019 04:18

Bullies usually pick on people less able than they. It sounds like your partner is a bully. Your child is being abused. I don’t think there’s any other alternative but to leave.

Or ask someone else to take care of your child, and you visit them without your partner.

zippey · 16/07/2019 04:18

For what it’s worth, your child sounds lovely.

Needsomebottle · 16/07/2019 05:36

My parents did that although it killed my mom to witness the abuse, but now I find her equally to blame

Do you want your son to blame you?

Break the cycle.

AloneLonelyLoner · 16/07/2019 06:30

You can leave.

It's your job now, to leave. So do it.

This post freaked me the fuck out like it's the precursor to something horrific I see in a newspaper headline in a few months and this thread will be brought up in court.

It's your job to protect him. There is no 'sorting things out'.

You leave. You go to your council offices and you sit there until they put you in touch with the homeless team. You leave. Don't make excuses.

NerrSnerr · 16/07/2019 06:38

You can leave. It will difficult for you but you need to protect your child. What will he do the next time your son pisses him off? Are you willing to risk it?

Chamomileteaplease · 16/07/2019 06:41

DP blames DS for his lack of sleep, telling him he ruined his sleep, tells him that he's selfish, DS only thinking of himself, laughing when he gets hurt, told him he'd die if he doesn't eat his veg. I am so close to leaving him.

This is the worst bit for me. Surely you can see the damage this is doing to a four year old? It is horrific. You have to protect your child.

I'm afraid I cannot believe that your dp is capable of a whole personality change. You are going to have to get away.

SaucyD1 · 16/07/2019 06:49

If my partner did anything like that they would be gone.

That's just not right and YOU NEED TO LEAVE NOW

HopeMumsnet · 16/07/2019 07:52

Hi all,
For those worried about the OP, all we can say is that she appears to have deregged so you won't hear from her again on this thread in all likelihood. We can but hope that she has heard the advice. Thanks to all who tried to help.

AllOverIt · 16/07/2019 08:13

Yes you can just leave. For the sake of your son. You won't be on the streets. Phone Women's Aid.

formerbabe · 16/07/2019 09:16

I know MN said the op has deregged, but if she's still reading this...you won't end up on the streets. Four year olds do not sleep on the streets in the UK.

Douberry · 16/07/2019 09:20

You and your son both deserve better. Do your duty and protect your son, if not yourself. I hope you find the strength to leave this loser Flowers

Douberry · 16/07/2019 09:22

Oops didn't read to the end of the thread. Hope the OP is okConfused

Scorpiovenus · 16/07/2019 09:29

But I got to ask but how do you discipline a child for hitting a adult??

I'm just curious as wondered that, Restraint isn't abuse but the child needs to know they don't lash out.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 16/07/2019 09:33

It's not up to your bloody therapist to tell you to 'give it a go'.

You absolutely must leave this man.

Now.

Today.

Stop fannying around on Mumsnet and GO.

Your son is in danger. He will remember that moment for the rest of his life. He needs you protect him.

Bubbletrouble43 · 16/07/2019 09:35

Restraint is not necessary Scorpiovenus in my opinion. I have a 2.5 year old who is prone to slapping me or her twin sister when in a tizz and I find removing her sister somewhere safe or ignoring her if shes hitting me till she cools down then immediately implementing a consequence (removal of star from chart, removal of treat being currently enjoyed etc) is seeming to sink in. There is never any excuse in my opinion for use of force against small people.

Blueuggboots · 16/07/2019 09:48

Your therapist is clearly an idiot.
Get out and don't look back.
Your son needs you to be his advocate.
This man is horrible.

Blueuggboots · 16/07/2019 09:49

Your therapist is clearly an idiot.
Get out and don't look back.
Your son needs you to be his advocate.
This man is horrible.

chzarind · 16/07/2019 09:50

But I got to ask but how do you discipline a child for hitting a adult??

I'm just curious as wondered that, Restraint isn't abuse but the child needs to know they don't lash out.

You don't have to ask that at all.

Rachelover40 · 16/07/2019 10:56

It sounds to me that the child was pushed to the limits which is why he lashed out.

Winterlife · 16/07/2019 13:42

Putting aside this incident, your DP is already abusing your son with the verbal abuse. Who tells a 4 year old it’s his fault Daddy is tired?

Your DP needs therapy and you need to document the abuse and leave him.

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