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What DD said to DH

135 replies

Bookwormm · 06/07/2019 21:00

Things at home have been very tense since having DS who is 1 year old. DH has not pulled his weight mentally and emotionally at all since DC2. I have had to deal with huge pressures with the children who both have allergies. DH has slept in the spare room much of the time so as "not to disturb" me as I was breastfeeding and needed my sleep.

We were certain we would need to separate and were barely on speaking terms for months. DH would not communicate with me at all and my pleas for help fell of deaf ears, to the point I would cry in frustration. He wanted to continue his hobbies as normal and would say things like "just because you can't go out, it doesn't mean I can't." Leave me with poorly kids to take care of and just please himself etc...

The result has been huge mental health issues for me, to the point I was frightened about what might happen to me.

Things over the last few weeks have been better as DH has really made a lot of effort to be more supportive after witnessing me reach my lowest ebb.

Today however, DH told me that DD accused him of being lazy for not helping her with something and said "mummy says you are." She must have overheard a conversation between us when things were tough a couple of months ago.

He is furious and has told me I am not to ever call him things like that infront of DD again. I have said that I haven't done so in the last few weeks and not since being so frustrated and desperate for his help as I was a few months ago. I tried to explain that I was immensely frustrated and that he was not pulling his weight when DD overheard me tell him he was lazy. I have also explained to DD that her father does a lot for her and certainly was not being lazy for not giving her what she wants.

He says there is no excuse and I need to apologise to him. I get I need to avoid saying things like that infront of DD, but he will not acknowledge the fact that he WAS being so incredibly lazy and selfish and that I was so desperate for his help and commitment to our family. I was an absolute state and that he also needs to take responsibility for DD overhearing me call him lazy too and that this doesn't just fall on me.

He refuses to take any of that on board and says that if I think it is acceptable to refer to him as being lazy infront of DD then we are over. He has been sulking all day.

I get it isn't acceptable to argue infront of the children, but I can not get him to see that his behaviour has been so incredibly selfish and lazy at times over the last year or so that it has pushed me to say things and behave in ways that may be aren't acceptable out of sheer frustration. Also, I don't want DD thinking I've been behaving like some crazy stressed out lunatic for no reason... her father has been lazy and selfish. And that it is not really acceptable.

I feel I've insulted his ego and he wants DD to see him as faultless. And yet DD has seen me in such a state this last year because basically, I haven't been coping. He has not given me the support that has been needed.

What is the answer? Please be kind, I'm still not in the strongest of places at the moment.

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RLOU30 · 06/07/2019 21:04

Tell him to turn the energy he is using up bombarding you on this issue to more important things.
It's always funny when men have so much to say when it comes to their ego yet so little to say when we need help and support.

user1481840227 · 06/07/2019 21:33

I certainly wouldn't take the full blame.
No, arguments in front of the children aren't ideal but you are only human and when living in a situation like that kids will hear or see things, and your dd probably did witness the laziness and herself and was aware that you weren't yourself at times, he obviously thought it was acceptable to play a part in driving you to that point and didn't care what your daughter thought of you.

The grown up thing to do would be to speak to your daughter about it, admit he had been lazy in the past but you both say that he's not anymore, and then tell your dd that she can't accuse people of being lazy just because she doesn't get her own way.

Frith2013 · 06/07/2019 21:40

He is lazy.

Widowodiw · 06/07/2019 21:46

Well if it’s true so what if you have said it in front of her. His annoyance at this proves he is lazy. Tell
Him to jog on

LizzieSiddal · 06/07/2019 21:47

His daughter is speaking the truth. He is lazy.

I’d also add that he’s a disgraceful father and husband, for leaving you to hit rock bottom before offering any help.

DarkestBeforeTheDawn4 · 06/07/2019 21:52

I'd be really hurt after everything he's put you through he's saying that over a factual comment that wasn't even directed at DD. The most I'd say is I'm sorry DD overheard it, I didn't mean that to happen. You could add that you'd be happy to point out to DD how he's stepping up now if he does extra things.

It's like something my dp would do. The argument starts out about what he did and then he shifts the blame onto me, it could be for something completely unrelated and I end up apologising and the original point is lost. He makes me feel bad if I try to go back to it.

pallasathena · 06/07/2019 21:54

I'd ask him why is he projecting all his issues on you? He IS lazy or has been from what you say so why re-write history just to salvage his ego? Tell him he need to apologise to the child himself and to stop banging on about you apologising to him.
Can't stand people like him...they give me the rage.

Bookwormm · 06/07/2019 21:55

He has been a different person since hitting rock bottom, I have to say. He has just taken control of things without me having to ask at all. Lazy would not be a fair word to describe him now and I haven't used that word recently.

I thought things were getting better and I was feeling so much better mentally as a result. His sulking has made everything feel miserable again.

He wanted me to apologise and say it would never happen again, I think he would have left it if I had. He doesn't want DD to see him as lazy, but he can be extremely so.

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carly2803 · 06/07/2019 21:57

He is starting an argument on purpose OP.... are you separating? or planning to?

If not- i strongly think its going that way?!

Frith2013 · 06/07/2019 22:00

Ok. He WAS lazy. Now he’s manipulative and sulking.

Bookwormm · 06/07/2019 22:02

He says we are wasting our time staying together and is back on the idea of separation now. I thought we were making progress, but clearly not..

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roundbottomflask · 06/07/2019 22:03

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Bookwormm · 06/07/2019 22:06

Maybe it's more because I asked him not to go to the pub this afternoon.

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Mom2K · 06/07/2019 22:10

Just get rid of him. He is adding to your stress and damaging your mental health. He sounds manipulative and controlling. If he wants to separate then show him the door.

newmomof1 · 06/07/2019 22:11

Why did you ask him not to go to the pub?

Maybe you should apologise that DD heard you call him lazy?
That way you're not apologising for speaking the truth - just that your LO heard and repeated it.

mineofuselessinformation · 06/07/2019 22:19

It's because you asked him not to go to the pub.
Turn it round on him and ask him why he would pull you right down again after something that happened months ago?

Bookwormm · 06/07/2019 22:23

I was at the hospital in the early hours with poorly DS and feel exhausted. Couldn't face the bedtime routine and making dinner alone. So asked him not to go to the pub.

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IdblowJonSnow · 06/07/2019 22:24

Life is too short for this game playing. Don't apologise. If he wants to go, let him.

Bookwormm · 06/07/2019 22:24

He doesn't go to the pub often btw, it's a once a month thing. I just couldn't face an afternoon of lone parenting 2 kids, 1 poorly.

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Greensleeves · 06/07/2019 22:28

Call his bluff. Tell him if he can't cope without an apology for something he so richly deserved, then he can pack his bags and fuck off.

IncrediblySadToo · 06/07/2019 22:30

YABU SET THE God free

You’ll all (you DD & DS) be less stressed and happier for it

He’s a shithead who has crapped on you for a year and now he wants an apology from YOU?! He can go fuck himself

Set yourself free from this knob

It says a lot that you thought things were so good when all he was doing was going some way to pulling his weight.

You deserve better than this 🌷🍫

S1naidSucks · 06/07/2019 22:37

Just be careful he’s not trying to reinvent himself, because he’s planning to separate and wants to go to court demanding custody, as his wife is ‘unable to cope and he’s the main carer’. He sihbds selfish, bullying and manipulative.

gospaniel · 06/07/2019 22:40

How convenient he gets to forget all his poor behaviour and make it about this one comment from your Dd.

Your ds is ill and he wants to go to the pub, doesn't sound like he wants to step up at all, he sounds completely selfish.

Maybe you should consider a separation, it sounds likes he is trying to shut you down and making sure don't dare call him out on his bad behaviour again by threatening separation. Take him up on his offer.

SavoyCabbage · 06/07/2019 22:41

How very convenient that he's chosen a busy Saturday when he was needed to pull his weight to do this.

Your life would be easier to manage and more pleasant without this dead weight.

pallisers · 06/07/2019 22:42

Sorry OP but this relationship won't be saved.

He probably got a bit of a fright when you hit rock bottom. Suddenly realised that if anything happened to you he'd be left as sole support and parent of 2 children. That put the frighteners on him so he stepped up for a while. But it won't last.

Decide what YOU want.

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