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What DD said to DH

135 replies

Bookwormm · 06/07/2019 21:00

Things at home have been very tense since having DS who is 1 year old. DH has not pulled his weight mentally and emotionally at all since DC2. I have had to deal with huge pressures with the children who both have allergies. DH has slept in the spare room much of the time so as "not to disturb" me as I was breastfeeding and needed my sleep.

We were certain we would need to separate and were barely on speaking terms for months. DH would not communicate with me at all and my pleas for help fell of deaf ears, to the point I would cry in frustration. He wanted to continue his hobbies as normal and would say things like "just because you can't go out, it doesn't mean I can't." Leave me with poorly kids to take care of and just please himself etc...

The result has been huge mental health issues for me, to the point I was frightened about what might happen to me.

Things over the last few weeks have been better as DH has really made a lot of effort to be more supportive after witnessing me reach my lowest ebb.

Today however, DH told me that DD accused him of being lazy for not helping her with something and said "mummy says you are." She must have overheard a conversation between us when things were tough a couple of months ago.

He is furious and has told me I am not to ever call him things like that infront of DD again. I have said that I haven't done so in the last few weeks and not since being so frustrated and desperate for his help as I was a few months ago. I tried to explain that I was immensely frustrated and that he was not pulling his weight when DD overheard me tell him he was lazy. I have also explained to DD that her father does a lot for her and certainly was not being lazy for not giving her what she wants.

He says there is no excuse and I need to apologise to him. I get I need to avoid saying things like that infront of DD, but he will not acknowledge the fact that he WAS being so incredibly lazy and selfish and that I was so desperate for his help and commitment to our family. I was an absolute state and that he also needs to take responsibility for DD overhearing me call him lazy too and that this doesn't just fall on me.

He refuses to take any of that on board and says that if I think it is acceptable to refer to him as being lazy infront of DD then we are over. He has been sulking all day.

I get it isn't acceptable to argue infront of the children, but I can not get him to see that his behaviour has been so incredibly selfish and lazy at times over the last year or so that it has pushed me to say things and behave in ways that may be aren't acceptable out of sheer frustration. Also, I don't want DD thinking I've been behaving like some crazy stressed out lunatic for no reason... her father has been lazy and selfish. And that it is not really acceptable.

I feel I've insulted his ego and he wants DD to see him as faultless. And yet DD has seen me in such a state this last year because basically, I haven't been coping. He has not given me the support that has been needed.

What is the answer? Please be kind, I'm still not in the strongest of places at the moment.

OP posts:
AnotherEmma · 08/07/2019 21:16

Or you just file for divorce?
Sounds like you might need a second opinion

AnyFucker · 08/07/2019 21:21

You can divorce him without his permission Confused

Bookwormm · 08/07/2019 21:26

What if I don't need to divorce him in the first place?

Purposely don't want to go down the road of 😱 you're not married?! You're doomed. Read it all on here before.

Assets are in joint names etc, we have insurance, Wills etc too.

OP posts:
AnotherEmma · 08/07/2019 21:27

You're not married? Why on earth do you refer to him as "DH" in the thread title and opening post?

FFS

AnyFucker · 08/07/2019 21:29

What other parts of your posts are completely misleading then, ffs

Do you want clear advice or not ?

Whisky2014 · 08/07/2019 21:34

Oh well if you've read it all on here before then what's the point in posting.

Enjoy your idiot non husband.

AnotherEmma · 08/07/2019 21:46
Grin
DarkestBeforeTheDawn4 · 08/07/2019 21:51

Can't you still seek financal settlement and force the property to be sold and joint assets divided? Different country but partners can certainly seek financial settlement here, a friend did that and parenting orders without being married.

AnotherEmma · 08/07/2019 21:53

It's an order for sale that the OP would need.

DistanceCall · 08/07/2019 21:54

If you feel you can't leave, OP, at least absolutely stop doing anything for him.

He wants to live with you but as a separated couple? Very well done. Do nothing, and I mean NOTHING, for him.

Do you have a job?

Bookwormm · 08/07/2019 22:21

Thanks @DarkestBeforeTheDawn4 I wasn't aware of that actually.
Why do I call him "DH"? your reaction answers your own question...
Yes I work @distanceCall. Definitely wouldn't be giving up work.

OP posts:
AnotherEmma · 08/07/2019 22:42

"your reaction answers your own question"

Oh look people get pissed off when you mislead them! Who knew!

AnotherEmma · 08/07/2019 22:44

No judgement against unmarried couples, people do what they want and marriage isn't for everyone, but I do think it's pathetic when they call each other husband and wife if they're not. What's wrong with the word partner?

AnyFucker · 08/07/2019 22:48

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AnotherEmma · 08/07/2019 22:49
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DarkestBeforeTheDawn4 · 08/07/2019 22:56

I think Bookworrms referring to not wanting to deal with the why didn't you get married to protect your kids financial future argument. I can see not wanting to deal with it, but it makes such a big difference for UK where the legal advice changes so much for married versus partners. Not so much difference here. So if PPs from UK it seems you need an order of sale Bookworrm. I think its worthwhile seeing a lawyer to see how/if you can force financial separation so you know where you stand.

AnyFucker · 08/07/2019 23:03

You do sometimes get the odd "why didn't you do x, y or z..." but they usually get shut down pretty sharpish by other posters

motherofcats81 · 08/07/2019 23:21

No judgement against unmarried couples, people do what they want and marriage isn't for everyone, but I do think it's pathetic when they call each other husband and wife if they're not. What's wrong with the word partner?

Is this really the biggest issue here??

I personally don't feel misled at all, blimey the uproar when OP revealed this was a bit OTT so I am not surprised she is feeling a bit defensive. Almost all of the thread has been advice about the content of the relationship so it's hardly like people have been giving legal advice based on marriage for days 🙄

OP I would get further legal advice and start making a plan to find somewhere else to go while you divide assets, even if it takes a while.

No, you shouldn't have thrown water at him and he could potentially use that against you but that's just another reason to start getting out.

Good luck OP.

PersonaNonGarter · 08/07/2019 23:26

Oh God, OP. Call his parents. Say the marriage is over and he needs to go to them. Please come and get him.

Bookwormm · 09/07/2019 07:08

I've considered doing this @PersonaNonGarter. We chatted last night. He does not want to leave the children, I've offered ways around this, such as arriving early in the mornings and going back to his parents' house after bedtime. He got upset at the mention of that.

I said his other option would be to change and begin prioritizing family above all else.

Then we were back at square 1 with me having to justify why he was lazy and why he shouldn't be leaving me on my birthday. He seemed very distressed and just couldn't understand where I was coming from at all. I said that when you love someone you care for their feelings. He said I wasn't caring for his feelings by expecting him not to attend a big calender event related to his hobby on my birthday.

I went to bed feeling exhausted.

He says he "might leave" this week.

I'll look into further legal advice. A solicitor would be my best move... yes?

OP posts:
OhamIreally · 09/07/2019 07:44

I think when a relationship is in its death throes that things are often said and done that we look back on with regret. It's hard to be dignified when your life is breaking down.

From the outside it's clear that what is happening is that the two of you are separating, it's now just the practical things that need to be addressed.

I do wish you well OP - your description of your partner "he just lay there" made me shudder. I remember those nights with the dishes in the sink, a mountain of work before me whilst my ex "just lay there" and how utterly soul destroying it was.
It's hard being a lone parent (and don't assume he will step up and do EOW because the lazy ones don't) but when I leave my kitchen tidy, it's still tidy when I get back and that means a lot to me that I'm not expected to carry another person who doesn't give a shit how tired I am.

PersonaNonGarter · 09/07/2019 08:12

You could try counselling. I think it would help him LISTEN.

Bookwormm · 09/07/2019 08:23

I have been having counselling for a long time. There is the option for "DH" to join me but I'm worried about how things could play out. People generally feel sorry for him in everyday life and reach out to mother and help him. We previously tried relationship counselling a couple of years ago and I was "told off" by the counsellor for not being grateful that he was finally speaking out in our sessions when he said that he deserved to have more money than me because he earns more. I was devastated but the counsellor wanted me to praise him for speaking out instead.
I refused to go again.
I believe it is likely that a similar thing would happen... people often say "bless him."

OP posts:
Bookwormm · 09/07/2019 08:25

@OhamIreally is it easier being a lone parent than staying?

OP posts:
OhamIreally · 09/07/2019 09:46

That's a million dollar question! It was more complicated for me in that my ex turned out to be having an affair and left me and our daughter very suddenly. It was quite traumatic.

Our marriage hadn't been good for some time though - his utter laziness and my boiling resentment being the worst thing. Looking back I think he was trying to force me to leave as it would have been easier for him and I do wonder if it would have been better for my mental health and self esteem if I'd done so.

It's hard work being a lone parent and I get flashes of resentment that it's all left to me but for the most part I'm able to deal with those quite quickly. I live my own life and make my own decisions and that's very freeing. It's also got easier as DD has got older - she's 9 now and good company, less work (although I'm dreading the teenage years).

I do feel sad for the loss of the family unit but I remind myself that I haven't lost a happy golden family, just a life of drudgery and arguments.

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