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Trapped and alone

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PurpleStripes · 15/06/2019 14:57

Hi there, a little back story first (some details slightly altered to hide my identity from prying eyes).

I'm in my late 20's, married for a little over a year and I have a DS who is 9. My H is also around the same age and has no DC of his own. We have been together 4 years in total.
I am miserable!!

When we first got together it was a whirlwind, we fell in love quickly and pretty hard. We moved in together after around 6 months, more for financial reasons and because both of our leases were expiring. My son adores him. His DF has slowly been taking a back seat in his life over the last few years, since he remarried, and now for at least 6 months has not seen or spoken to him at all.
H works more than 60 hours a week most weeks away from home and also in the evening and weekends in his office. He has a professional job which has always been his first priority. He had a difficult childhood and has spent his adult years trying to move away emotionally and financially from it.
I work around 30 hours a week but for some months I have been off work with a chronic illness awaiting surgery which is imminent. This has obviously affected us financially as well as having a massive strain on our relationship. Things weren't great before, we haven't had a strong relationship since before we got married (I know that we shouldn't have but as many others before and no doubt since, we didn't want to waste the money and disappoint the guests).

So to now.. Our relationship is pretty much dead in the water but I can't leave. I've been attending a freedom program for a few weeks and I'm slowly learning that H has been emotionally abusing me. For those familiar with the program, he is a class A headworker, amongst others. I have been taking on the debts etc, any credit has been in my name, which has meant I've missed payments as I've been on SSP and H has still expected my full contribution to bills. All of this was with the for-thought of getting a mortgage at the end of this year. H (has extensive knowledge in the area) led me to believe that by doing so we would secure the best mortgage in his name only. He has told me now that this is not actually the case but it's going to be difficult for him to do so as long as I'm going to be living in the house..

The last 6 or so weeks have been the worst. He has been giving me the silent treatment, sleeping in the spare room, working until midnight some nights, not coming home without contact (although this is not new, he has always done this). I think this is because my beliefs have changed due to going to the program and he has sensed change in me. Gaslighting is his speciality and due to my ill mental health in the past, I struggle to understand when he is in the moment and only realise in hindsight which I can't then acknowledge because I'm then accused of 'dragging shit up from the past'. I highly doubt that there is an OW as his is really weird and doesn't like being touched, feels uncomfortable around more than a few people especially if he doesn't know them. He shows a lot of autistic traits (not that this is necessarily a bad thing as DS is diagnosed with asperger's).

I have no family, only a couple of friends, Im completely isolated since he moved me 2 hours from my home town last year for his work. I have no income or savings, only debt. I rely on him solely for help with childcare when I was at work and when I return to work after my surgery.

I'm sorry if you've got this far and you're bored.
Has anybody been in a similar circumstance and managed to dig their way out? Does anybody have any advice? I feel trapped and I don't know where to turn. He changes his mind almost hourly over whether he wants to continue the relationship, I really just don't know what to do anymore.

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Rosemary46 · 30/06/2019 19:05

Sounds like things are very bad for you today. Do you want to say what’s happened ?

Do you have painkillers prescribed by the doctor that yOu can take ? Are you sure you should be in this much pain still? It’s ok to phone the ward where you had your op and ask for advice .

PurpleStripes · 30/06/2019 19:12

Thanks for your reply!
I'm taking the maximum painkillers possible (tramadol , co codomol, naproxen) but I've been taking them for a few months now so I know I have a high tolerance.
H told me I had to go out today because everyone had cabin fever so we went to a park and the walking was horrendous. He argued with me this morning because we disagreed over DS playing a game / getting dressed and that is when he left me to soil myself.
He then apologised whilst we were out and thanked me for making so much effort etc
As soon as we got home I wasn't good enough again and we have had a huge argument (I can't say I really argued as the strain on my stomach was agony every time I tried to speak with any passion) with DS literally sitting between us.
I'm such a bad mother 😔
He's gone to sleep now so I've managed to hobble around and get a bag together I just don't know what to do next.

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Oldstyle · 30/06/2019 19:22

No useful advice OP - just a hand-hold. You might not manage to get out immediately but you've started to realise that it's necessary and think that it's possible. You are right on both counts and are being amazingly tough given everything that's going on. Can you maybe phone the hospital to explain that you don't have anyone to care for you at home, that you are in extreme pain, and get readmitted? Even if it's just a few days so that they sort out the pain and so that you can get your strength back?

PurpleStripes · 30/06/2019 19:34

@Oldstyle do you think they would do that? I am worried about the pain but everyone has been dismissing me so I'm worried I'm catastophizing (sp?)

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Oldstyle · 30/06/2019 19:58

Yes they absolutely would. It's part of their duty of care. But you do need to be firm about the fact that you can't cope with the pain and that you can't get to the toilet or properly look after yourself - and that you are in a DA situation with a partner you are frightened of & who refuses to assist. Good luck. Do phone them.

granadagirl · 30/06/2019 20:24

I’d just get ds to bed and yourself for now
Your not thinking straight st mo because your in agony
Sleep on it
If he comes in your room, just say not tonight I’m in pain and want the bed myself.

Is he going to work tomorrow do you know?
Will he take ds to school for you?

You then gave time to either ring the hospital and tell the your in DA and partner refuses to look after you. You get get to the loo etc and you can’t manage ds.
Would you let ss get involved and perhaps take him to foster carer till your more mobile. It would be like a little holiday for him you could say.

Or woman aid, but I don’t know how you’d go on for help with yourself

Where is he know

PurpleStripes · 30/06/2019 22:12

He is going to work tomorrow morning and then he said he will wfh tomorrow afternoon, I think I have to take DS to school.
He is acting like nothing has happened. I'm trying so hard not to need him to get about. He's on the sofa playing on his phone.

I agree I need to go to bed and reassess tomorrow

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Whatisthisfuckery · 30/06/2019 22:54

Oh Purple, I’m sorry things are so utterly shit. I suppose the silver lining is that you definitely won’t forget this. That doesn’t help you at the moment though unfortunately.

If you can get through the night then get onto the hospital first thing in the morning. You’re going to have to be very insistent. Tell them you’re in terrible pain. You cannot so much as get to the toilet unaided and you have nobody to help you as your H is abusive. You’re going to have to lay it on the line to them and tell them what has been happening.

When, if, you’re readmitted to hospital you either need to call WA or your local domestic abuse service yourself, or tell the nurses and doctors that you need to be put in contact with someone who can advocate on your behalf. Do not, and I repeat, do not allow them to discharge you back into that house with him. You need to go into a refuge with DS. Yes yes yes I know it sucks and it’s scary, and refuges are for other women, but you should not* go back to where you are.

If the hospital are no use, which is a possibility, call WA, call your local domestic abuse service and tell them that you are notsafe at home. I’m sure they’ll not need telling that but sometimes, as crap as it is, we have to bloody well insist.

How old is DS? Can he carry out basic tasks for you? Can he for eg find you a bucket or a bowl, just in case you can’t get to the loo? Is thee anyone locally who you can ask to bring easy food for you both? Even prepackaged sandwiches from Tesco or something?

I’m racking my brains to think of things that might help. He’s a real bastard and no mistake. You will get free of him though, just hold onto that thought and you’ll get through it.

Please please throw your net out far and wide for help. There will be somebody who will help you I promise, but you must must ask, and you must be honest. None of this shame is your’s to bare, none of it, and nobody will think otherwise.

Try to get your head down and get through the night. If you really can’t ring 111 or the hospital and tell them what’s going on. Ring WA for a chat, their helpline is 24 hour.

Oh, and just to say, you’re not a bad mother. Don’t even say that. There is a terrible parent in your house and it’s not you.

PurpleStripes · 01/07/2019 12:47

I called the hospital whilst H was taking DS to school. He's announced that he's wfh today and tomorrow now and he is in and out every few minutes so I can't call anyone else.
The hospital said that I need to go through my gp now so that's that. Luckily (or unluckily) the pain has began to subside today, not that I've moved much but that's something at least.

I woke up so confused, I didn't know what day or the week it was, why he was next to me, why he's being so kind to me. He has said he understands if I'm not his friend at the moment...

I was hoping to visit the people who run the freedom program tomorrow, they run other groups throughout the week and are happy for me to drop by at the end of them, but as I'm no longer allowed to use his car (i m not sure I'd be able to drive at the moment but I was prepared to give it a good go) I don't think I can. I did text them but heard nothing back.

Every direction is telling me to just suck it up. Playing the long game is probably for the best but I'm petrified of being sucked back in!!

I appreciate every single person who has taken time to reply and @Whatisthisfuckery especially you, you've been my spiritual advisor 🙏🏼

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PurpleStripes · 01/07/2019 13:44

I sent a text to the freedom program number yesterday, my go has just called (is part of the organisation) and covered the conversation as a post op curtsy call, I couldn't really speak partly through being taken aback and also worried H could walk in the room or overhear.
I feel like I'm putting so many people out, complaining, acting worried, getting in touch with people and different agencies yet doing nothing different. He offered to contact the police to make a welfare call and I politely declined. I'm so scared that once H knows that this isn't just between the two of us then all hell will break loose.
Im seeing the gp next week so I'll try to write down what I want to say for then as DS will be with me. I thought about asking for an email address but then my thoughts quickly went back to how I'm putting people out.

I don't know what I'm more scared of, H knowing I'm seeking help or being thought of as a fraud. I'm not in physical danger so I should just shut up.

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EducatingArti · 01/07/2019 14:08

You are not a fraud. Please find a way of communicating with your GP. The very fact you were partly scared to talk in case your dh overheard is proof of this. Your dh is using coercive control which is illegal.

granadagirl · 01/07/2019 16:19

As said previously, don’t worry too much . Stick it out ( I understand that is extremely hard) you need to get stronger in yourself, before tackling anything mentally. Can not express how important that is.
You can not cope with physical illness as well as anxiety.
I understand anxiety as I have had it over 35 yrs chronic at times, and know where it can lead to.

When he goes back to work 👍
Contact the debt people, that’s your
No1 priority. The debt he as got you into.
He’s annoyed now as he knows he can’t get mortgage in 2 names( not because he wants security for you)
Because of your debt !
So he probably can’t get enough on one wage that he would like.

Do you live in London area? Property is very expensive there.
I’m only asking as he being a solicitor, he must be in the 100k salary band.

Just bite your tongue when he winds you up JUST FOR THE TIME BEING , till your stronger.
Don’t go pushing yourself to get something/somewhere that is difficult you will end up worse in the long run
Great the pain is slightly easing😀
Everyday you will become a little bit stronger.
Nice & slow

Whatisthisfuckery · 01/07/2019 20:33

I’m glad at least that your pain is lessening Purple. The sooner you’re well again, the sooner you can take some control, and you can do that, you just don’t know it yet.

You aren’t putting anybody out. It’s professional’s job to do things like do their job, and besides that, they’re in their roles for a reason. They are there to help, that’s why they’re doing it, and if they didn’t want to do it they’d have a different job, so they’d be horrified if they thought you weren’t asking for help because you felt like an imposition.

I’ll tell you something, something you’ll need to learn if you’re to get yourself out of this god awful situation. Absolutely nobody does things just for the hell of it. We’ve all got far too much to do and too many bills to pay for that. People do what they have to do to pay the man, things they want to do and things they are passionate about, but absolutely nobody acts against their own self interests, apart from people who are trapped and coerced in abusive relationships that is. You have been made to become used to putting your H’s needs at the centre of your life. Hell even your DS comes below him, and don’t say he doesn’t because he does, otherwise you would’ve been out of there like a scalded cat a long time ago.This is the thing though, you have to start putting your’s and DS’s needs front and centre of everything. Right now your DS gets treated like shit by his father, and his mother is physically sick and creeping round like a little mouse in fear of upsetting his dad. You’ve got to do as everybody else does and act in your own interest. Your H puts your’s and DS’s needs so far down his priority list they’re practically subterranean. So the crooks is this, you need to keep this in mind, that at the end of the day we’re all looking out for our selves and our own, and part of that is going to work, as a GP, or a counsellor at WA, or a housing officer at the council. They also in the main don’t want to sit on their arses all day playing solitaire, because that would be boring, and wouldn’t offer much job satisfaction at the end of the day. So next time you’ve got some time, and you’re holding the phone, dithering about putting someone out, remember, you are acting in your own self interest, which is what everyone does, and the person on the other end of the phone is acting in their’s, by doing a good job of their job and going home at the end of the day and feeling satisfied that their time spent in a job that they have to do to pay the man has been well spent.

Selfishness is a quality we all have to one degree or another, if we weren’t a little bit selfish we would never have survived as a species. We do what we need to survive. The real trick, which unfortunately a lot of people haven’t mastered is to understand this fact, and that it’s not necessarily a bad thing, indeed sometimes it’s the best, and necessary thing. Some people want everything and don’t care who they step on to get it, and other people are afraid to reach for what they need because they’re worried about how it’ll look to others. Somewhere in the middle there’s a happy medium where people take what they need, because they understand that they need it and what the consequences are of not getting it, and they also understand that how they look to others isn’t as important as their own wellbeing. The other trick that relatively few people manage to master is knowing that they are not mind readers. That what they think people are thinking most likely bares absolutely no relation to what they’re really thinking. So if for example you call WA you’re thinking, ’they’ll think I’m wasting their time and they wish I’d get off the phone because there might be a woman in real danger trying to get through,’ where as they’re probably thinking, ’hmm, I wonder if there’s a place we can offer her. This reminds me of that case the other week with that woman from Manchester. Don’t forget to check what Counselling is available before I get off the phone.’ People are almost never thinking what we think they’re thinking. Right now I’m thinking I’m rambling nonsensically and you’re probably bored to tears, but you’ll probably come back and say that’s not what you were thinking at all.

Anyway, on the off chance you’ve made it to the end of my lengthy essay, do have a think about it, because the only way we can survive sometimes is to grab any help we can find. Life can dump some almighty shit on us, and the options are basically inhale shit for the rest of our miserable lives or throw up our hands and grab hold of any lifeline we can find, and then when we’re shit free we can pay it forward to someone else, foremost being our kids, who can in turn be shit free and pay it forward to the next.

Oh, and one final thing. My housing support worker is a volunteer in our local DV service’s helpline. She does it because she wants to make a difference, and I can tell you right now that she would not think you’re a fraud. Whatever your H has told you people think domestic abuse is, he’s wrong, and every single person in the police, the domestic abuse sector, the medical profession, the council, the teaching and social care professions, and every other agency involved in safeguarding and protection would whole heartedly agree.

PurpleStripes · 01/07/2019 21:07

So he says he's going into the office tomorrow so I'm going to have to pull my big girl pants up for the school run etc. God knows how I'm hobbling still but never mind.

I wish he was 100k+, more like mid 30's. We aren't in London but he does work in a major city.

@Whatisthisfuckery wow. I certainly was not thinking you're rambling. I haven't read anything with so much attention before and knowing that it was written just for me is such a beautiful gift. Thank you.

You've certainly got through to me and made an impact. And I'll certainly be rereading it every time I'm sure to doubt myself.

I began writing this reply before actually reading yours @Whatisthisfuckery, my entire direction of what I'm going to say next has certainly changed. My entire outlook towards tomorrow has certainly changed. That's not to say I'm not fucking petrified of opening Pandora's box (a saying I never truly understood until this very moment) but it's probably necessary. Is necessary.

I still ache at the thought of losing H, that's warped and my god, I sound like my mother. I still hope that he would just realise that I could build a great future with him if only he would let me.

I actually asked him today if he knew how close he was to losing all that he has planned and he said he did. Then he's a dickhead again, then apologises, then...... I'm not sure if I'm conditioned by him and those before to believe that people are complex and have issues and aren't perfect THEREFORE must be forgiven for making mistakes or whether in fact this is more than just 'mistakes'.

I'm going to continue to reread not only yours but every reply and hope to get some clarity. Both for and against arguments are stacked fairly equally right now but I know some aren't there for the right reasons. Fear should not be a reason to do anything surely?!

I'm not afraid to be alone, if money wasn't an issue then I'd be excited to be for certain. I am afraid though. I'm just not sure of what.

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Dragongirl10 · 01/07/2019 21:16

I'm not afraid to be alone, if money wasn't an issue then I'd be excited to be for certain. I am afraid though. I'm just not sure of what.*

THIS ^^ you have nothing to be scared of,.... you are in the scary place now...there is nothing as scary in the future as being near him.
Trust all the posters on here who can clearly see that you will be so much better off without him. Good luck.

granadagirl · 01/07/2019 22:51

Just to say, nobody know like you how you feel about your H, they can quite easily say LTB but it’s not them doing so! People not in that situation think completely differently, you have to be in it to feel/know it.

I’m not in anyway saying stay by no means.
Just take your time, you & ds are paramount.

Could you when u get back to work
With benefits (turn2us calculator) be able to afford a 2 bed flat etc and after school club (u working full time) agh but then there’s your bad credit, so credit check on housing
Just trying to help

Maybe WA will find you a place?

PurpleStripes · 02/07/2019 16:27

My mind is made up. I cannot feel this level of anxiety a second longer. I'm going either tomorrow or Thursday depending on the urgency from his actions

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Kayjay2018 · 02/07/2019 16:53

@PurpleStripes how are you recovering from your op?

If you are serious about going, please make sure you have a plan and somewhere safe for you and your son to stay. Physical items can all be replaced as and when you can. If there is any risk of violence please make sure someone is with you for support.

My ex was not violent yet whilst leaving did get violent and basically showed me a photo of my son (who was with his dad) and said it's the last time you will see him as I'm going to kill you and then attempted to hit me over the head with a laptop! I stopped him and when I finally left (a year later!) I had the conversations in the middle of a busy pub on a day my son was at his dads so I just went to my parents. I retrieved my cat the following day with my dad at my side.

You and your son are the important things here, make sure you have a safe place. If you don't go this time (it took me loads of tries to leave) just look at it as a learning experience and prepare even better next time, you will get there when you are ready. Only you can say when the time is right

Whatisthisfuckery · 02/07/2019 18:35

Jump on the blower Purple. Make sure your tooled up with all the information and support you can get. You don’t have to do this alone, and the more outside help you can get, the less likely you are to end up back in his clutches being punished for having the temerity to leave. Be strong, be determined, and most of all, be safe.

Rosemary46 · 02/07/2019 22:27

I’m glad to hear that you are in a bit less pain today , but I can tell that mentally you are stronger.

Can I ask if you have managed to copy ( photo and email to someone else or store on the cloud ) financial documents ? Anything to do with the house, cars, bank accounts , insurance , pensions, pay slips, etc for both of you. Also take your passport and your child’s passport, Birth and wedding certificates too.

Copy or take everything you can , your own solicitor will need them to give you the best advice .

Also I suspect that your husband has been lying to you about his salary. Most qualified solicitors with several years experience in a large city would earn more that £35k. And you say he works more than 60 hours a week.

PurpleStripes · 03/07/2019 19:57

I've still not done anything. I'm so scared to take that next step. He's being so nice to me now 😔.

I keep thinking of silly things like I have an eBay delivery next week that I've waited weeks for, I'm worried about leaving the area because I've started to build up an acquaintance system(??).

I've never been good at making such final decisions either.

My last hurdle really is that my car is off the road, easy to sort but I've not bothered since I've been poorly. I could have it sorted tomorrow if I really needed to but I'm just putting it off ..

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Whatisthisfuckery · 03/07/2019 21:09

Just keep putting those little blocks in place, so when the inevitable happens and he starts being a Twatt again you can just pick up and go. sometimes the heat and impulse of the moment is what we need to sets us on the path. having a functioning car is no bad thing anyway. Have you called any of those organizations yet? sometimes we don’t realize how much we need support until we find it.

Kayjay2018 · 03/07/2019 22:03

@PurpleStripes baby steps are always easier and better, plus they will give you a sense of achievement when you do those little things. That may be calling for advice or sorting your car. They are all steps that will keep you moving in the right direction.

Remember no one will judge you at any of the advice lines, they are there to help and advise.

Hope your recovery is going ok. Being physically stronger will help you get mentally stronger!

PurpleStripes · 03/07/2019 23:43

The tables have inevitably turned. He just told me he can't cope with my illness for the rest of his life. It's impacting him too much.
To say I'm hurt would be an understatement.
I did say that I can't help having endometriosis but he can do something about being a sickness but it didn't have near enough of an impact 😔

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PurpleStripes · 03/07/2019 23:43

Dickhead not sickness!

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