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Am I just a terrible person?

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nonamenorma · 11/06/2019 11:18

Been having problems with my husband for a long time now - sorry if this comes out as rather disjointed. Been together for 20 or so years, married 5, have two children - 3 and 1.

His main copmlaint has always been that I don't give him enough attention. He says he doesn't just mean sex (although I feel it often comes down to that). We have had regular arguements for as long as I can remember about how he needs more. The problem is that I feel like I am already giving him so much - I have always had much more sex than I want to have (my trying to talk about this has never gone well, he doesn't seem to understand why if I enjoy it I don't constantly want it). And up until recently it was always a few times a week. He refuses to kiss and cuddle saying that is the sort of attention that I want, and he gets nothing from it - so if he can't get what he wants, I can't get what I want.

We are now at a stage where I have been told I need to make more effort, as he feels so unloved and unwanted he cannot bear it anymore - so I have to make the effort to make him feel loved. I cannot help but feel hugely dismissive of this, pretty much like I just don't care, because the way I see it I have been doing everything I can for him for so long, to be asked for more is soul crushing.

I can't kiss him or cuddle him, as it means nothing as doesn't count as me trying. He still wants sex, but he needs to be put in the mood first - fine, I get this. Except putting him in the modd requires an entire day (if not more) or leading up to it. Last night, for example, I worked all day - got the kids home - he got back at about 8 after helping a friend (done partially to avoid me). We sat down for about an hour watching a bit of tv (during which time I was talking to him and generally tryingto give him attention - touching his leg etc, whilst not doing any of the things that annoy him). I suggest going to bed - get everything sorted - wait upstairs. When he comes to bed I try to snuggle up to him and I just get a lecture on how I haven't been trying hard enough, he's not in the mood, he just wants to relax and look at his phone for a bit. So I leave him to it. Wake up this morning and he is angry with me for not trying hard enough - I didn't talk to him, I knew he was upset (I did, but I didn't want another lecture/arguement). When I said to him that I was doing exactly what hesaid he wanted, I got told that once again I was trying to justify upsetting him. I should deal with the fact that he is upset first, not try an excuse the fact that I made him upset.

I can't argue with him ever. As far as he is concerned everything he wants is totally ok, and I have no arguement for it because all he wants is to feel loved. I'm not even explaining it very well, I feel like I am missing out so much.

All I want is a bit of time to myself. I get very little. I have spoken to him about it before, and he thinks this is further proof I don't love him enough. I have to call him every lunch or I don't love him. He calls me whenever he is driving anywhere - and if I can't hold a conversation then he gets annoyed. I can't control the children well enough (they behave quite well for him, but even trying the techiniques he does they often won't for me - and I know why this is, but he won't hear it).

At the end of the day I am not making the effort he wants now - I don't want to, I don't feel like I have it in me. I feel like he is out of order for expaecting it from me. But then I think that all he wants is to feel loved and wanted. Should I not at least try a bit. But I'm so tired of it all.

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HennyPennyHorror · 11/06/2019 11:21

Are you kidding? He sounds abusive. This is not normal. Don't touch the fucker any more. Tell him to piss off! I'd leave...why are you with him?

MarthasGinYard · 11/06/2019 11:24

He's a controlling cunt

This is abuse Op

michaelbaubles · 11/06/2019 11:24

He is controlling. He is setting up tests for you that you can't possibly pass as he keeps shifting the goalposts and is not communicating clearly to you what he wants - because he doesn't want you to be able to pass the test as then he loses his control over you.

He won't kiss or cuddle you - well this is almost the absolute bare minimum effort to make in a loving relationship, far before sex, so he's totally in the wrong here. It's not normal to punish someone you supposedly love by refusing to kiss or touch them. Think about it. Think about what marriage is meant to be and then think about what he is saying about your marriage by not even kissing you.

Whatnotea · 11/06/2019 11:25

It sounds exhausting, I think you might be done.
I think it is him not making an effort & forgetting he has two small children who come first not him.

grupple · 11/06/2019 11:26

I would give up if I were you OP, you'll never get it right.

He sounds barking mad.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 11/06/2019 11:27

He sounds EXHAUSTING.

Why is he so bloody needy?

Where are you and your needs/wants in all of this?

You honestly cannot win with someone like this.

Nothing you do will EVER be enough.

Please, please start imagining your life without this human soul vacuum in it.

Talith · 11/06/2019 11:28

I know what it's like to be walking on eggshells and have no idea what someone is expecting from me in any particular minute so I get it wrong and they're angry... I hear your frustration and sadness. It does sound exhausting and you're not bringing out the best in each other at all. Not sure what the solution is, but remember your feelings matter too.

BuildBuildings · 11/06/2019 11:29

This sounds exhausting and he sounds really needy and controlling. How much /what do you get out of the relationship? It sounds like it's all about him.

bloodywhitecat · 11/06/2019 11:30

I think your question should be "Is he a terrible person"? and my answer would be "Yes". He is not a pleasant man at all.

ScatteredMama82 · 11/06/2019 11:32

Oh OP, this sounds awful. I'm so sorry you are living this way, it's not acceptable. Like you, I am often exhausted and just want to cuddle up, watch TV then go to bed (to sleep!) My DH would love to have sex every night, but if I say I am tired then that's fine. There's no sulking, or making me feel bad about it. Does he think that bullying you like this is going to make you want sex more?? I'm sure you have tried, but maybe explain to him that to feel like you want sex, you need to feel loved and him bullying you this way is not going to make things any better. Honestly, I don't think I could stay with someone who treated me this way. x

nonamenorma · 11/06/2019 11:32

Sometimes I think he is abusive - but then I find it hard to believe he is doing it on purpose. I feel like he must be a decent person, just with some unrealistic expectations, and that I can't leave him just because of that.

There are so many things he has changed for me. I feel like I need to be able to say his side of stuff a bit better.

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MaidenMotherCrone · 11/06/2019 11:33

Good god this is awful. Really, really awful.

Your life does not need to be like this. I'd separate, divorce and bloody well start living.

roisinagusniamh · 11/06/2019 11:34

He sounds very controlling and , possibly emotionally abusive.

michaelbaubles · 11/06/2019 11:34

By the way, you can leave him for anything you want. Seriously. People on here sometimes get all clenched about people "not trying" and so on but it's your bloody life and you deserve not to live a shit one. And this sounds epically shit.

MarthasGinYard · 11/06/2019 11:35

Do you feel like you walk on egg shells daily?

CitadelsofScience · 11/06/2019 11:35

He sounds like an abusive, controlling, needy manchild.

You don't have to live like this, I would not put up with this and neither should any other woman.

nonamenorma · 11/06/2019 11:36

scattered mama - I have tried talking to him about it - and he has tried to change things. But he doesn't seem to be able to accept that nothing he does it going to make me want it every day. At the moment his view is that he has changed loads, but he still doesn't get what he wants - so now its my turn to give him what he wants and then once he gets it it'll all be good.

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MarthasGinYard · 11/06/2019 11:36

'I have to call him every lunch or I don't love him. He calls me whenever he is driving anywhere - and if I can't hold a conversation then he gets annoyed. I can't control the children well enough'

This part made me shudder TBH

midsummabreak · 11/06/2019 11:36

Nothing is ever enough is it? It is all part of the manipulation tactics to make you feel not good enough so he can control

Ridingthegravytrain · 11/06/2019 11:37

This is a fight you will never win and I’d give up trying if I were you.

I would stop pandering to his ridiculous behaviour. It’s not all about him.

And if he truly isn’t being a controlling prick then it sounds like even he doesn’t know what the hell he wants!

nonamenorma · 11/06/2019 11:37

marthasginyard - yes I feel like this, and I have told him he makes me feel like this. He tells me its not his fault and to just not feel like it. So I try not to feel like it and just do what I want, and then I do something wrong.

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Talith · 11/06/2019 11:39

It's actually very icky to be TOLD to show affection in your situation, and then told off for doing it wrong, where you basically said yourself you don't care to because you're taken for granted and fucking shattered - it's like having sex when you're not really wanting to, it'll erode sanity, trust, love, happiness.

You sound like you need space from his claustrophobic attempts to control you and your actions (he wants to control your feelings too but that's harder to do so he'll just keep bossing you around until it looks like love) His relentless toddler style demands are appalling. Get rid!

MarthasGinYard · 11/06/2019 11:40

He's very cruel

Very controlling

He has you thinking this is YOU

Just read your title

Deadringer · 11/06/2019 11:43

He is a selfish shitbag. Ltb.

nonamenorma · 11/06/2019 11:43

I spend most of the time about 90% sure that its not me - until I talk to him.

I know I want to leave him - I desperately want to leave him. Sometimes I wish for some terrible accident to happen to him so I don't have to leave him. But I still don't feel like I have any right or reason to - its like he has to do something undeniably awful before I can.

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