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Am I just a terrible person?

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nonamenorma · 11/06/2019 11:18

Been having problems with my husband for a long time now - sorry if this comes out as rather disjointed. Been together for 20 or so years, married 5, have two children - 3 and 1.

His main copmlaint has always been that I don't give him enough attention. He says he doesn't just mean sex (although I feel it often comes down to that). We have had regular arguements for as long as I can remember about how he needs more. The problem is that I feel like I am already giving him so much - I have always had much more sex than I want to have (my trying to talk about this has never gone well, he doesn't seem to understand why if I enjoy it I don't constantly want it). And up until recently it was always a few times a week. He refuses to kiss and cuddle saying that is the sort of attention that I want, and he gets nothing from it - so if he can't get what he wants, I can't get what I want.

We are now at a stage where I have been told I need to make more effort, as he feels so unloved and unwanted he cannot bear it anymore - so I have to make the effort to make him feel loved. I cannot help but feel hugely dismissive of this, pretty much like I just don't care, because the way I see it I have been doing everything I can for him for so long, to be asked for more is soul crushing.

I can't kiss him or cuddle him, as it means nothing as doesn't count as me trying. He still wants sex, but he needs to be put in the mood first - fine, I get this. Except putting him in the modd requires an entire day (if not more) or leading up to it. Last night, for example, I worked all day - got the kids home - he got back at about 8 after helping a friend (done partially to avoid me). We sat down for about an hour watching a bit of tv (during which time I was talking to him and generally tryingto give him attention - touching his leg etc, whilst not doing any of the things that annoy him). I suggest going to bed - get everything sorted - wait upstairs. When he comes to bed I try to snuggle up to him and I just get a lecture on how I haven't been trying hard enough, he's not in the mood, he just wants to relax and look at his phone for a bit. So I leave him to it. Wake up this morning and he is angry with me for not trying hard enough - I didn't talk to him, I knew he was upset (I did, but I didn't want another lecture/arguement). When I said to him that I was doing exactly what hesaid he wanted, I got told that once again I was trying to justify upsetting him. I should deal with the fact that he is upset first, not try an excuse the fact that I made him upset.

I can't argue with him ever. As far as he is concerned everything he wants is totally ok, and I have no arguement for it because all he wants is to feel loved. I'm not even explaining it very well, I feel like I am missing out so much.

All I want is a bit of time to myself. I get very little. I have spoken to him about it before, and he thinks this is further proof I don't love him enough. I have to call him every lunch or I don't love him. He calls me whenever he is driving anywhere - and if I can't hold a conversation then he gets annoyed. I can't control the children well enough (they behave quite well for him, but even trying the techiniques he does they often won't for me - and I know why this is, but he won't hear it).

At the end of the day I am not making the effort he wants now - I don't want to, I don't feel like I have it in me. I feel like he is out of order for expaecting it from me. But then I think that all he wants is to feel loved and wanted. Should I not at least try a bit. But I'm so tired of it all.

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motherofcats81 · 12/06/2019 00:12

All so familiar to me too OP, it makes me want to cry. And every so often I still slip back into the mindset of thinking he was right and it was all my fault, even though most of the time I look back in astonishment at how I could ever have put up with such horrific things.

Yes it is abuse, please leave, for your own sake and your children's.

ThePerturbedPenguin · 12/06/2019 00:20

What a miserable existence for you. He is 100% a nasty, manipulative, controlling bully.

springydaff · 12/06/2019 00:58

Do the Freedom Programme. It'll sort your head out - the truth will set you free type of thing. ime truth has a peace to it - and this programme certainly gave me peace after a long time of intense turmoil.

So yes, been where you are now. And yes he is an abuser. So sorry op. But better to know than not know and endlessly doubt - and all the agony that entails.

Do the Freedom Programme online or go along to a course. imo the f2f course is the more powerful but do what you can in the circumstances, they're both wonderful.

When you're out you'll be so glad to break the bonds. You'll see clearly what he has been up to all along (the smashing things up etc was a very clear sign of abuse - that has now gone underground and got more tortuous - domestic abuse always escalates).

Though along with pp's I still doubt sometimes, decades later. I still sometimes think he was a poor broken man and I was a selfish bitch blah blah. Thank god for things like the Freedom Programme and Lundy Bancroft who lay out the truth clear and plain.

You can do this Flowers

BlackPrism · 12/06/2019 01:04

Very few people are terrible people. He might be though.

He sounds like hell. DP and I don't have sex as much as he'd like (once a month?) but he doesn't want me to just DO it. We kiss and cuddle many times a day because, like you, that's how I feel loved. If we didn't he could expect my sex drive to go from edge of a cliff to drowned in the Atlantic. If I make any effort he will respect that, he can say no and does but he keeps on mind that if I've been initiating he can't really complain at a lack.

Compromise, communication, respect. Your husband has none and that is sickening. He's manipulative and abusive. An anus of a man.

midsummabreak · 13/06/2019 11:00

Is everything ok nonamenorma

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