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Am I just a terrible person?

105 replies

nonamenorma · 11/06/2019 11:18

Been having problems with my husband for a long time now - sorry if this comes out as rather disjointed. Been together for 20 or so years, married 5, have two children - 3 and 1.

His main copmlaint has always been that I don't give him enough attention. He says he doesn't just mean sex (although I feel it often comes down to that). We have had regular arguements for as long as I can remember about how he needs more. The problem is that I feel like I am already giving him so much - I have always had much more sex than I want to have (my trying to talk about this has never gone well, he doesn't seem to understand why if I enjoy it I don't constantly want it). And up until recently it was always a few times a week. He refuses to kiss and cuddle saying that is the sort of attention that I want, and he gets nothing from it - so if he can't get what he wants, I can't get what I want.

We are now at a stage where I have been told I need to make more effort, as he feels so unloved and unwanted he cannot bear it anymore - so I have to make the effort to make him feel loved. I cannot help but feel hugely dismissive of this, pretty much like I just don't care, because the way I see it I have been doing everything I can for him for so long, to be asked for more is soul crushing.

I can't kiss him or cuddle him, as it means nothing as doesn't count as me trying. He still wants sex, but he needs to be put in the mood first - fine, I get this. Except putting him in the modd requires an entire day (if not more) or leading up to it. Last night, for example, I worked all day - got the kids home - he got back at about 8 after helping a friend (done partially to avoid me). We sat down for about an hour watching a bit of tv (during which time I was talking to him and generally tryingto give him attention - touching his leg etc, whilst not doing any of the things that annoy him). I suggest going to bed - get everything sorted - wait upstairs. When he comes to bed I try to snuggle up to him and I just get a lecture on how I haven't been trying hard enough, he's not in the mood, he just wants to relax and look at his phone for a bit. So I leave him to it. Wake up this morning and he is angry with me for not trying hard enough - I didn't talk to him, I knew he was upset (I did, but I didn't want another lecture/arguement). When I said to him that I was doing exactly what hesaid he wanted, I got told that once again I was trying to justify upsetting him. I should deal with the fact that he is upset first, not try an excuse the fact that I made him upset.

I can't argue with him ever. As far as he is concerned everything he wants is totally ok, and I have no arguement for it because all he wants is to feel loved. I'm not even explaining it very well, I feel like I am missing out so much.

All I want is a bit of time to myself. I get very little. I have spoken to him about it before, and he thinks this is further proof I don't love him enough. I have to call him every lunch or I don't love him. He calls me whenever he is driving anywhere - and if I can't hold a conversation then he gets annoyed. I can't control the children well enough (they behave quite well for him, but even trying the techiniques he does they often won't for me - and I know why this is, but he won't hear it).

At the end of the day I am not making the effort he wants now - I don't want to, I don't feel like I have it in me. I feel like he is out of order for expaecting it from me. But then I think that all he wants is to feel loved and wanted. Should I not at least try a bit. But I'm so tired of it all.

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nonamenorma · 11/06/2019 12:19

He also tries to control his jealousy, which is quite extreme. There was one night I went out with some friends. I left wrk early in order to be able to give them a lift in the rain (bad point number one as I don't leave work early for him). I then went to a friends house for a bit before we all met at the pub while they got ready.

He was angry with me thinking I was having an affair (he often thinks this for ridiculous reasons). I had called him and he basically hung the phone up on me. I got very angry with him, saying he ruined my night out like he always does. Apparently my anger at him was further signs of having an affair, and if I wasn't having one I would have just reassured him and made him feel better.

But he likes to throw those in my face alot, how he makes effort for me - and all he wants me to do is wear a sexy dress for him.

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gnushoes · 11/06/2019 12:19

Christ, he's appalling. And he's got you thinking it's your fault!

MarthasGinYard · 11/06/2019 12:19

So much of this resonates with me Op

Being with someone so controlling is exhausting. He's doing a right number on you.

Tying you in knots and then upping the slip.

Awful Thanks

YippeeKayakOtherBuckets · 11/06/2019 12:19

Oh love. You KNOW this is abusive.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 11/06/2019 12:21

@nonamenorma

Is anything we're saying getting through to you?

He is seriously asking you to change your employer's policy on including other halves at social events? Can you not see how batshit crazy that is?

I probably know I am being manipulated. I just want so much to think better of him than that

But you can't. You cannot win this. He has trampled all over you. You need to find YOU again. Please don't put up with this any more.

he encourages me to see them but at the same time makes it difficult

Ah yes, one of these. My ex used to do this too. Please reach out to your friends in real life and tell them what you've told us.

yiskasha · 11/06/2019 12:21

This is so abusive on his part.

nonamenorma · 11/06/2019 12:22

I Can't tell him I'm leaving him, and just leaving him feels like I am confirming everything he says about me

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BlueJag · 11/06/2019 12:22

He sounds like a bloody spoiled brat. It is like touch me but only when I want and how I want it and for as long as I want.
I'll punish you with no cuddles or kisses.
He is an absolute wanker.
He doesn't understand the basic principle of a relationship with a woman.
We need to want to want them. He wants more sex and attention but only on his terms.
You are a saint. I personally would have the patience to have such a needy twat.
Even my teen soon knows when I need time for myself let alone a grown man.
He'll get no sex ever and let him sulk. I wouldn't even sleep in the same bed. Angry

CitadelsofScience · 11/06/2019 12:23

Every time you post nona he just sounds even worse. He's ground you down so much that you're trying to defend his abusive behaviour.

You need to go your own way and be happy.

Quartz2208 · 11/06/2019 12:25

OP are you happy? WOuld you be happier if you left him? Because there is nothing terrible about actually putting your happiness and your children first - you are so conditioned by him to think his needs trump yours.

OP please call WOmens Aid and try the freedom programme this is highly abusive

WishICouldThinkOfAGoodName · 11/06/2019 12:25

I would leave, he sounds abusive and horrible. If you get away you’ll start to see him for what he really is, a controlling bastard.

nonamenorma · 11/06/2019 12:28

I am not happy, and I want to leave him desperately. I'm not even particularly stuck. I am the main earner, I have family nearby. The only thing stopping me is me, but its a pretty big stop that even now I don't know I can overcome

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Quartz2208 · 11/06/2019 12:29

And is it that leaving will reinforce that you are the horrible terrible person he thinks who is abandoning him?

BuckingFrolics · 11/06/2019 12:29

He's an absolute horror of a partner. Good god. I'm so sorry as it must be hell on your self confidence and happiness.

BlueJag · 11/06/2019 12:31

I've become mercenary now. I was the junior partner but not anymore. You do teach people how to treat you.
You don't need to take his kids away you can live near by?
I'll write a letter and say how unhappy you are and what you want to do.
Do it now or you'll live like this until one day you realise how many years you are wasting with such an unreasonable man.

nonamenorma · 11/06/2019 12:33

I don't want to sound like a pathetic attention seeker, but are you absolutely sure this is abuse.

Imagine I was a terrible person - imagine I neglected him, and showed him no love and no affection. Imagine I made him feel worthless. Would his behaviour be acceptable, or at least excusable, in this case?

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YippeeKayakOtherBuckets · 11/06/2019 12:35

It wouldn’t be, no. But you DO show him constant affection and love and it DOESNT MATTER. It’s a power trip.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 11/06/2019 12:37

imagine I neglected him, and showed him no love and no affection. Imagine I made him feel worthless

But you're bending over backwards to try and meet his impossible demands.

He has totally conditioned YOU to feel like a terrible person. When it is actually him. And yes, this is emotional abuse.

CitadelsofScience · 11/06/2019 12:37

nona if all that were true then surely he'd have just upsticks and left. He hasn't because he's enjoying his abusive game of making you question yourself and feeling like shit. He's done a goodnight bet on you.

Please believe in yourself and leave.

CitadelsofScience · 11/06/2019 12:38

Good number not a goodnight bet.

Mintlegs · 11/06/2019 12:39

I’m sorry but you both sound really young. No one should have to keep changing the person they are (unless abusive behaviour). It sounds like there are deeper issues. In order for me to connect to my partner (especially after having children, no sleep, working etc and no energy). I do have sex even though I don’t necessarily feel in the mood all the time. But he will always ensure that I enjoy things (he won’t be selfish). He then seems happier and I have felt happier like there is more of a connection. I am not saying for you to do this however as your circumstances sound different. I found that the situation for me was escalating and it was becoming a big issue.

MarthasGinYard · 11/06/2019 12:40

'Imagine I was a terrible person - imagine I neglected him, and showed him no love and no affection. Imagine I made him feel worthless. Would his behaviour be acceptable, or at least excusable, in this case?'

I practically used those words verbatim 15 years ago when I was with a controlling abuser. I didn't have dc with him thank goodness.

Please try to believe those of us who have lived it.

I shudder when I read because I've heard these exact retorts. Been so concerned not to 'displease' him, give him enough attention on the phone. It's the 'little things' I've noticed in your posting which scream out to me.

He's doing a grand job on you, soon you won't recognise yourself.

Please take your power back fully here. Am I wrong I'm suspecting there may have been some kind of violence in the past?

Apologies if I'm wrong.

Passmealargewine · 11/06/2019 12:40

So much of what you say sounds exactly like my stbxh. No matter how hard I tried or how much attention I gave him it was never enough. I tied myself in knots trying to keep him happy, walking on eggshells every day & still he wasnt happy with it.

I understand those thoughts about him being in an accident, I had them too (& still do) he eventually cheated on me & honestly I just felt relief that I finally had a 'reason' I was too scared to leave until that point even though I knew I needed to & wanted to.

Please think about leaving, he is cruel & abusive & hes making you feel like it's your fault, like you're not doing enough. It's not your fault. It's only now I've realised just how much my confidence & self esteem had been worn down by being in that situation

AnotherEmma · 11/06/2019 12:41

He is a textbook abuser.

Signs of emotional abuse
The abuser profiles

My advice is to get support for yourself: get counselling, call Women's Aid (try the national and local numbers) and talk to trusted family and/or friends.

Ultimately you need to leave him but whether or not you decide to do that, getting support from others will help you to stay sane.

Quartz2208 · 11/06/2019 12:54

Yes he is abusive and yes it is him but even if he wasnt and this was true

Imagine I was a terrible person - imagine I neglected him, and showed him no love and no affection. Imagine I made him feel worthless. Would his behaviour be acceptable, or at least excusable, in this case?

Then surely splitting up and you leaving is better for him as well?

And even if it were true no his behaviour still isnt excusable if you were that person he should be leaving you. Yet he wont which answers all the questions you need

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