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Am I just a terrible person?

105 replies

nonamenorma · 11/06/2019 11:18

Been having problems with my husband for a long time now - sorry if this comes out as rather disjointed. Been together for 20 or so years, married 5, have two children - 3 and 1.

His main copmlaint has always been that I don't give him enough attention. He says he doesn't just mean sex (although I feel it often comes down to that). We have had regular arguements for as long as I can remember about how he needs more. The problem is that I feel like I am already giving him so much - I have always had much more sex than I want to have (my trying to talk about this has never gone well, he doesn't seem to understand why if I enjoy it I don't constantly want it). And up until recently it was always a few times a week. He refuses to kiss and cuddle saying that is the sort of attention that I want, and he gets nothing from it - so if he can't get what he wants, I can't get what I want.

We are now at a stage where I have been told I need to make more effort, as he feels so unloved and unwanted he cannot bear it anymore - so I have to make the effort to make him feel loved. I cannot help but feel hugely dismissive of this, pretty much like I just don't care, because the way I see it I have been doing everything I can for him for so long, to be asked for more is soul crushing.

I can't kiss him or cuddle him, as it means nothing as doesn't count as me trying. He still wants sex, but he needs to be put in the mood first - fine, I get this. Except putting him in the modd requires an entire day (if not more) or leading up to it. Last night, for example, I worked all day - got the kids home - he got back at about 8 after helping a friend (done partially to avoid me). We sat down for about an hour watching a bit of tv (during which time I was talking to him and generally tryingto give him attention - touching his leg etc, whilst not doing any of the things that annoy him). I suggest going to bed - get everything sorted - wait upstairs. When he comes to bed I try to snuggle up to him and I just get a lecture on how I haven't been trying hard enough, he's not in the mood, he just wants to relax and look at his phone for a bit. So I leave him to it. Wake up this morning and he is angry with me for not trying hard enough - I didn't talk to him, I knew he was upset (I did, but I didn't want another lecture/arguement). When I said to him that I was doing exactly what hesaid he wanted, I got told that once again I was trying to justify upsetting him. I should deal with the fact that he is upset first, not try an excuse the fact that I made him upset.

I can't argue with him ever. As far as he is concerned everything he wants is totally ok, and I have no arguement for it because all he wants is to feel loved. I'm not even explaining it very well, I feel like I am missing out so much.

All I want is a bit of time to myself. I get very little. I have spoken to him about it before, and he thinks this is further proof I don't love him enough. I have to call him every lunch or I don't love him. He calls me whenever he is driving anywhere - and if I can't hold a conversation then he gets annoyed. I can't control the children well enough (they behave quite well for him, but even trying the techiniques he does they often won't for me - and I know why this is, but he won't hear it).

At the end of the day I am not making the effort he wants now - I don't want to, I don't feel like I have it in me. I feel like he is out of order for expaecting it from me. But then I think that all he wants is to feel loved and wanted. Should I not at least try a bit. But I'm so tired of it all.

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midsummabreak · 11/06/2019 11:44

Tell him you are just going with Dc to visit great aunt Bekky far far away, and never return Run for your life and hold on for dear life to the self respect you still have, after being demoralised by this bastard for over 20 years.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 11/06/2019 11:45

He tells me its not his fault and to just not feel like it

Because yes, that makes everything all right.

It is absolutely totally his fault, his actions, his requirements of you that are making you feel like this. Honestly, nothing you do will ever be enough. And if it's not criticism of you not 'trying' enough, it's criticism of your parenting or how you 'control' the children.

it is all about control with him. You cannot win this. Please start thinking differently.

You are not a terrible person, but he bloody sounds like one. Listen to the wise women on this board. Many of us have been through relationships like this.

nonamenorma · 11/06/2019 11:47

midsumma - I want to so much, but I can't do that. He loves the kids so much, I wouldn't want to take them from him. I'm not saying he's a great dad - he's an ok dad, like I'm an ok mum. We get stuff wrong but I think they are happy and we look after them as best we can. He doesn't deserve to just lose them.

And I feel like he deserves some sort of face to face, not just me skulking off without warning. But I'm not strong enough to do that anymore, and I'm scared. I don't even know what of.

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GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 11/06/2019 11:47

Sorry, also meant to say, many of us have been through relationships like this and come out of the other side, breathed a breath of freedom and realised how wonderful life can be when you're not having the life sucked out of you.

You do not need any another reason to leave him other than you're not happy. You don't owe him anything.

midsummabreak · 11/06/2019 11:48

He is doing something undeniably awful. He is contantly chipping away at your self confidence and self respect , and weighing you down so heavily with his relentless demands that you feel constantly exhausted. He has no right to do this to you. No-one does.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 11/06/2019 11:49

Look up 'FOG': Fear Obligation. Guilt.

Also read 'Why does he do that' by Lundy Bancroft; it's available online.

RandomMess · 11/06/2019 11:50

He is utterly awful, please leave.

BentBaastard · 11/06/2019 11:51

Oh my goodness.

Your post made me physically shudder.

What a horrible controlling man you are married to.
I could not live like this.

Take a secret day off work and plan what you are going to do.

Without a doubt though, YOU HAVE TO LEAVE HIM.

MarthasGinYard · 11/06/2019 11:52

Let me guess

I bet you don't have quite as many friends in RL as you used to....

VixenSixen · 11/06/2019 11:52

You're not a terrible person, you're just living with a hideous man.

He is having everything his own way and not thinking about your needs. A loving relationship is not run on demands and wants from one side.... It's having mutual respect for each other, being able to communicate properly and give and take - from both sides!

Personally I wouldn't want to be having sex with anyone who punished me for "not trying hard enough".....

I know how hard it feels now to leave but I can promise you, you'll never look back. You'll meet someone fully deserving of you..... When I read your post all I could see was someone thinking about her husband and his wants and needs. Time you put yourself first.

♥️

AriaFitz · 11/06/2019 11:54

If you were my mum I’d want you to leave him.

Prtf1345 · 11/06/2019 11:55

You need to talk to a counsellor. You both need to go, you alone talking to him or trying to make him see reason won’t change him. He needs intervention from an unbiased external person

Prtf1345 · 11/06/2019 11:57

You’ll only get people telling you he is abusive, you need to leave him etc. These are sweeping statements and solutions for every problem (so it seems from What I read on here) I’m not saying that might not happen, I think you just owe your life a fair chance (whether that with or without Him) and the best chance is to see a relationships counsellor and put his behaviour on the table/he does the same. Good luck

nonamenorma · 11/06/2019 12:01

He would say that I have been having everything my way for a very long time and its time for him to have his.

I asked him to go to a counsellor. He said he has made so many big changes for me (which he has, my arguement would be that I shouldn't have had to ask him to make them in the first place though), that until he makes me see one permanent change he won't go.

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DishingOutDone · 11/06/2019 12:02

You cannot undergo counselling with such an obviously abusive person, just to check whether or not they really are obviously abusive Prtf1345 - the OP has very clearly described how controlling he is. He doesn't need to be given any more "fair chances" because he is treating her like dirt. I can guarantee he won't give her any fair chances if she doesn't go along with his demands.

MarthasGinYard · 11/06/2019 12:03

What 'changes' has he made 'for you' ?

Theredjellybean · 11/06/2019 12:03

There is no doubt he is a narcissistic, coersive controlling abuser.

Please leave him

He is not a good person who just wants his needs met... He is an ABUSER

You say he 'needs' you to work hard all day to get him in the mood... Errr... What does he do to get you in the mood???

Sex and intimacy is a two way thing.
He won't cuddle or touch you as he says it doesn't lead to sex, but he is deliberately ignoring that you may need that type of intimacy to feel sexual towards him.

Honestly it would not matter what you did, it will be wrong.. Your description of trying, touching him, suggesting you went to bed etc and then he declined sex and then said it was because you didn't try hard enough made me go cold.

So manipulative... Leave while you can

YippeeKayakOtherBuckets · 11/06/2019 12:05

What changes has he made for you?

Booboo66 · 11/06/2019 12:05

A pp has hit the nail on the head. He continually moves the goal posts so you can do nothing but 'fail' the. You are left feeling bad despite trying to do what you think he wants. I've had an EXP like this and it doesn't get better over time OP. It will only escalate. He's manipulative. You know how he's treating you is wrong until you talk to him and he manages to turn it around, find a way to blame you. Please get out now Thanks

Booboo66 · 11/06/2019 12:06

Oh and counselling does not work for narcissists. I know you might think it's a sweeping statement but it's very clear here

CatelynStark · 11/06/2019 12:10

I feel sick reading your posts - they’re actually very triggering for me. He’s done a really good number on you, hasn’t he! I know how that feels. He’s trained you to put him before everyone else and you will never placate him, no matter how hard you try because he LIKES being vile to you.

If you love your children, get them the fuck away from this narcissist before he ruins their lives. Voice of experience here.

Quartz2208 · 11/06/2019 12:11

At best he seems to be addicted to sex at worse he is highly sexually abusive - what does he actually want a whole role playing scenario.

He wants to be number 1 doesnt he - how is that a good father

How have you made him change?

nonamenorma · 11/06/2019 12:13

marthaginyard - its nothing good - I didn't say because I desperately want to get an unbiased opinion, and he can't give his viewpoint here, and I am totally incapable of describing it.

He has a bad temper - he has thrown and destroyed things in the past. He doesn't anymore - in fact the other day he told me he never got angry anymore (he said this when I got angry at him, and raised my voice to him because I was annoyed. He said I needed to control my anger like he did. I laughed in his face at this point and told him he was being ridiculous and that I never asked him to stop being angry, just to stop throwing temper tantrums. I told him I would always get angry at him if he had done something I was angry at).

Basically most arguments go along the lines of him getting annoyed, then me getting pissed off as I think he had no reason to get annoyed. He then tells me that he was annoyed for a different reason, and is now even more annoyed because I a) got annoyed with him instead of talking to him about it and b) didn't know what the actual reason was for him getting annoyed in the first place.

I do have my own friends, and he encourages me to see them but at the same time makes it difficult. I know he is manipulative about it. He says I don't make him feel welcome with my friends and family, so whenever I arrange stuff he is invited too, he makes an excuse not to go, and when I don't immeditely try to convince him to go he says he's not wanted so he won't go, but I should still go. I work for a very large copmany, and he is forever moaning that he never gets invited along to any work stuff. I generally don't invite him because no one else has their other half along (unless they happen to work at the same place). He says I need to make changes, and encourage my company to do more stuff that includes other halves.

I probably know I am being manipulated. I just want so much to think better of him than that.

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Ohyesiam · 11/06/2019 12:14

It’s obvious you’ll never get it right for him op. You really need to stop trying. It’s his pleasure to see you tired up in knots trying one thing then another, either way he can tell you no, you’ve failed again.
You trying to understand and see his POV is all part of the control.

Op what would you tell a good friend?

I’d tell them to let their kids see them choose happinesses.
Please walk away op before you get all the life knocked out of you. I know that level of change is really really hard when you are already battered by emotional abuse, but the further you step away from him, the clearer you will see things.

Have a look at womens aid website, there are lots of tools you will find helpful.

BlueJag · 11/06/2019 12:17

@HennyPennyHorror you are spot. Smile

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