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Am I just a terrible person?

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nonamenorma · 11/06/2019 11:18

Been having problems with my husband for a long time now - sorry if this comes out as rather disjointed. Been together for 20 or so years, married 5, have two children - 3 and 1.

His main copmlaint has always been that I don't give him enough attention. He says he doesn't just mean sex (although I feel it often comes down to that). We have had regular arguements for as long as I can remember about how he needs more. The problem is that I feel like I am already giving him so much - I have always had much more sex than I want to have (my trying to talk about this has never gone well, he doesn't seem to understand why if I enjoy it I don't constantly want it). And up until recently it was always a few times a week. He refuses to kiss and cuddle saying that is the sort of attention that I want, and he gets nothing from it - so if he can't get what he wants, I can't get what I want.

We are now at a stage where I have been told I need to make more effort, as he feels so unloved and unwanted he cannot bear it anymore - so I have to make the effort to make him feel loved. I cannot help but feel hugely dismissive of this, pretty much like I just don't care, because the way I see it I have been doing everything I can for him for so long, to be asked for more is soul crushing.

I can't kiss him or cuddle him, as it means nothing as doesn't count as me trying. He still wants sex, but he needs to be put in the mood first - fine, I get this. Except putting him in the modd requires an entire day (if not more) or leading up to it. Last night, for example, I worked all day - got the kids home - he got back at about 8 after helping a friend (done partially to avoid me). We sat down for about an hour watching a bit of tv (during which time I was talking to him and generally tryingto give him attention - touching his leg etc, whilst not doing any of the things that annoy him). I suggest going to bed - get everything sorted - wait upstairs. When he comes to bed I try to snuggle up to him and I just get a lecture on how I haven't been trying hard enough, he's not in the mood, he just wants to relax and look at his phone for a bit. So I leave him to it. Wake up this morning and he is angry with me for not trying hard enough - I didn't talk to him, I knew he was upset (I did, but I didn't want another lecture/arguement). When I said to him that I was doing exactly what hesaid he wanted, I got told that once again I was trying to justify upsetting him. I should deal with the fact that he is upset first, not try an excuse the fact that I made him upset.

I can't argue with him ever. As far as he is concerned everything he wants is totally ok, and I have no arguement for it because all he wants is to feel loved. I'm not even explaining it very well, I feel like I am missing out so much.

All I want is a bit of time to myself. I get very little. I have spoken to him about it before, and he thinks this is further proof I don't love him enough. I have to call him every lunch or I don't love him. He calls me whenever he is driving anywhere - and if I can't hold a conversation then he gets annoyed. I can't control the children well enough (they behave quite well for him, but even trying the techiniques he does they often won't for me - and I know why this is, but he won't hear it).

At the end of the day I am not making the effort he wants now - I don't want to, I don't feel like I have it in me. I feel like he is out of order for expaecting it from me. But then I think that all he wants is to feel loved and wanted. Should I not at least try a bit. But I'm so tired of it all.

OP posts:
CharlotteCollinsneeLucas · 11/06/2019 12:59

So the way he's changed for you is to be less horrible to you than he used to be? That's laughable.

You know you're miserable with him. You know you're happier away from him too, right? The thing is, he will never understand it. If you leave, yes, to him that will be proof he was right all along. To most other people, it'll just be none of their business. And to those who love you and know a bit about him, it'll probably be a relief.

Nobody really knew I was unhappy in my marriage. I was tying myself in knots trying to follow my H's directions about how to make him happy. I felt like a puppet, empty, with no will of my own (or none that mattered), trying to make the right moves to make annoyed H retreat and nice H come out of the shadows. It was soul-destroying. After I left, these people who had hardly known me said how much happier I seemed. They still don't know what went on. But then, they don't need to. My DCs are happier, too - incidentally they see more of him now than they did when we were together, because it's scheduled so he can't just disappear to do something he prefers any more.

nonamenorma · 11/06/2019 13:16

thank you everyone for all your comments. I don't know what I am gong to do yet. I know what i want to do, but thats a different thing altogether. My husband is supposed to be going away for the weekend in a copule of weeks. I like to think I can do something then. I swing wildly between feeling certain, and feeling totally defeated already

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bloodywhitecat · 11/06/2019 13:27

Nothing excuses his behaviour. Nothing. There is absolutely nothing that excuses his behaviour.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 11/06/2019 13:34

Great news that he's going away for a bit; it will give you some headspace and a welcome break from walking around on eggshells.

Please do talk to someone in real life. It's not being disloyal; you need some real life support right now. Whatever decision you make has got to be right for you and your DC.

But please stop excusing his behaviour and definitely stop blaming yourself. Flowers

MarthasGinYard · 11/06/2019 13:37
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midsummabreak · 11/06/2019 13:49

Do not wait for him to go away, trust in your instincts telling you to get out now and put all of his exhausting relentless demands behind you You can never be happy when he keeps demanding more, and nothing you do is ever good enough.

You have every right to an equal partnership, from someone else who is capable of this. Your current partner will never be able to stop demanding attention, this is who he is.
Seek support, tell your family and friends.
Trust in yourself and risk reaching out for support to leave his never ending 'me me me' demands behind, for a far happier life.

notthemum · 11/06/2019 13:49

Honey, you sound a very lovely, normal, stressed mum.
He is a bloody idiot and doesn't deserve you.
Do understand how hard leaving and being on your own can be, but he is dragging you down and you need someone who actually cares about you for a change, instead of this selfish pig.
Take care of you.
X

foreverhanging · 11/06/2019 14:00

Op I implore you to get out of this

Justbreathing · 11/06/2019 14:13

You still haven’t said what big changes he’s made for you

midsummabreak · 11/06/2019 14:15

Your children are watching you be worn down by your husband and his need to be centre of attention and Is this what you want for your children

BattenburgIsland · 11/06/2019 14:19

Oh my God. Please leave this man what on earth are you getting out of this?! This is such an unhealthy relationship. And not because you are a terrible person but from the sounds of it he is.

midsummabreak · 11/06/2019 14:25

Sorry posted too soon
is this relationship the same as you would want for your children? You deserve no less than what they deserve.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 11/06/2019 14:53

He's ground you down until you're unable to trust your own judgement. If you doubt yourself please listen to the women on this thread. What you describe is extremely abusive and I can see no benefit for you in continuing this miserable relationship. Your DC will be affected by this, and it will be hurting them.

It's only because he's ground you down over years that you give his nonsense any weight. If you met him for the first time this week and he tried any of this you'd dump him without a second thought.

And does it matter what he thinks when you leave him? Be realistic: is he ever in a million years going to respect any decision you make? You being "wrong" is fundamental to his view of you.

Sorry you are living with this. You have my sympathy. Flowers

Girlofgold · 11/06/2019 15:33

Omg. Yes he's stopped overt anger tantrums and now he's gone full on passive aggressive. He sounds awful. How can you win? Damned if you do and damned if you don't. Life is tough enough with that sort of head fuck.

BlueJag · 11/06/2019 16:18

@nonamenorma it doesn't sound like you did anything wrong.
You have very small children and work full time I believe.
Getting out of bed is hard enough without him complaining to you about something. I've been married 30 years and honestly a relationship should be nice, patient and loving. Sometimes we fail at reading what your partner needs but sometimes we run on empty. We don't have more to give. It sounds like he is an emotional vampire.
Also he is using sex like he is entitled to have it when he wants and normally it doesn't work that way.
We all need love but we need to earn it.
My husband isn't affectionate at all but he lets me kiss him and hug him like a cat would because he knows I'm very affectionate.
Best of luck and I hope you know this isn't normal or right. I'll be a wreck if I lived with him.

Devon1987 · 11/06/2019 16:32

Plese leave this awful controlling shit bag of a man. If not just for your sanity but for your children's wellbeing. They don't need to see this behaviour as acceptable. I hope you find the strength soon. You are worth more and deserve so much more then this twat is offering.

Shoxfordian · 11/06/2019 16:36

Can you call women's aid? You need to leave him as soon as you possibly can. He's abusing you and coerced you into sex for years. There's a word for a man who coerces a woman into sex op. Leave him

Prtf1345 · 11/06/2019 19:15

Ok so I he won’t go to therapy and you’re desperately unhappy but are unable to leave- why not go to therapy on your own and build the courage to leave? It’s a horrible situation but you can do this.

FoxFoxSierra · 11/06/2019 19:32

Echoing others here to say run and don't look back! Your life sounds exhausting trying to keep up with endless demands which he makes sure are completely unachievable so that he can berate you for not meeting his standards. What a cunt. Just picture your life without him, you will be so much happier after you leave.

midsummabreak · 11/06/2019 21:34

I swing wildly between feeling certain, and feeling totally defeated already

When you are swinging towards feeling certain pay attention to the things that make you feel this way. You can build on this strength by thinking more of what makes you feel certain. Ignore the things that make you swing towards feeling defeated already

Cherrysoup · 11/06/2019 22:03

He is abusive, controlling, manipulative, withholds affection. You can’t do right for doing wrong and he will NEVER accept that what you do is enough. He sounds totally foul. Your poor kids, seeing this as their role model for relationships!

Please get yourself out, he is weird and fucked up.

StreetwiseHercules · 11/06/2019 22:09

He’s a piece of shit OP. I’m so sorry, but he his. Get the kids and get away from him for all your sakes. Growing up in a house with him will warp them and be a nightmare for them.

Be prepared though. When you exit you will see probably just how utterly mental he is.

CharlotteCollinsneeLucas · 11/06/2019 22:21

Don't let yourself be rushed. If you're going to go and stay gone, you need a plan.

Dontcarewhatimdoing · 11/06/2019 22:32

So, worst case scenario, you are an abuser, and you are making his life a misery, don't you think he would be better off without you? Lets be honest here, the problem is clearly not with you, but can you not see that whoever is at fault, you are better off apart?

ninja · 11/06/2019 23:28

Please believe it's not you.

It's all so familiar and 8 years later I still question whether it was me - you've spent so long being told you're in the wrong it'll take a while to believe in yourself

But if you leave now your child might not have you witness him throwing things (or worse), they might not question why he's shouting at you to have you tell them it's cos mummy is being silly.

And you might be able to kiss and cuddle someone who is nice to you

Would you treat a friend the way he treats you?

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