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Is my boyfriend abusive or just clumsy?

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StartingAgain33 · 06/05/2019 01:28

Is this an issue we can work through?
May 5, 2019 1:44 PM Subscribe
I think my boyfriend means well and has genuine feelings for me but he seems to put his foot in his mouth a lot and sometimes the comments just seem a little nasty and unsupportive. I really like him and would be super sad if we broke up, but I don't want to continue in a relationship with someone who's potentially emotionally abusive and would value some objectivity here about some of the things he says. Combined with the fact that he finds it hard to express affection, this is really starting to affect me.

I've been seeing my boyfriend for around six months. We had an instant spark, and make eachother laugh a lot. I love lots of things about him. I hear lots of hints from him that he would like to see this relationship flourish. I once got upset about something insensitive he had done and he admitted to me that he had written in his journal that I was his perfect woman and that if he cant make it work with me he can't with anyone (I did have to get upset for him to admit that but still...).

My question: would the behaviour I describe bother you, and how would you react?

The thing that bothers me....

The crux of the problem is that he quite regularly says things that hurt my feelings. He would describe himself as 'blunt','honest' and 'logical'. But is this just shorthand for being a bit of an insensitive dick?

He said early on that he likes my 'thick skin' because I'm able to laugh off his silly insults and that compared to a lot of the girls he has dated I get his humour. But sometimes he says things which don't feel funny. I feel angry right now as there have been a few comments in the past week (during our first ever weekend away) and I don't know whether to confront him about it and possibly end the relationship (it feels like a potential red flag), just put it down to clumsiness on his part, or try and work it through with him. I have been quite patient already, I feel, although I've never confronted this issue directly.

As an example, whilst drawing my portrait he said that I had a 'featureless face'. I made some sort of sarcastic 'thanks' back (I was quite embarrassed as we were in front of his housemate) and he said he meant I was pretty and it's difficult to draw pretty people as they have 'less obvious features' to draw.

The day before, in a rare moment of vulnerability I said I feel a bit fat at the moment and like I have a belly (it was a big thing for me to admit this). He replied that I wasn't fat, but 'well-fed'. I was clearly offended at this, and he didnt back down or apologise - just repeated it (for context, I'm UK size 10 - hardly a heifer, and not that it matters). It was very awkward, as it was on our first ever little break away together, but I now feel angry about it and like he consciously or unconsciously seemed to want to increase my insecurity instead of soothing it. It's not like I regularly fish for compliments; I was just having one vulnerable moment. He seems generally a bit funny about food - comments that we've eaten enough and don't need dessert, makes me feel a bit self conscious about ordering it (he also regularly doesnt eat much before we see eachother so he can indulge; perhaps he thinks I should do this too).

Reading between the lines, he seems to have offended a lot of girls he's dated - and this is partly why his relationships haven't worked out. One girl who he describes as 'crazy' texted him angry messages for two years after they'd broken up because she was so angry at him still (he mentioned one message which was about his insults).

I looked through our last few interactions by text and many of his replies to me are sarcastic. I sent him a picture of myself in a flower crown at a friend's wedding (I was bridemaid) and he sent me back a smiley face - and a picture of a dog wearing a flower crown. I said I'd meet him when I got back to our home city but that I'd have a little suitcase with me and his reply was 'just one'? It's tiring.

I'll admit that I have mostly found his humour and cheekiness funny, and I can give as good as I get on occasion. This week my responses have been spikier due to feeling tired of it all.

He also seems to bring up his insecurities in a sideways way, so that I can't directly address them. For instance, I once said that if I don't like a book I will stop reading it as I don't see the point in wasting time reading something I don't like, and he joked that I'm like that with men (I'm not, but I can see why he might think so - we've never discussed this in depth).

He also joked TWICE on our first little holiday about my 'future boyfriends'. I find this hurtful and bizarre. Perhaps he wants some sort of reassurance or reaction from me, but I feel blindsided and immaturely joked later about his 'future girlfriend' to give him a taste of his own medicine (as I said, I've gotten spikier in the last week!).

I am finding that he's perhaps slightly cynical and untrusting of people in general. I feel like I've been waiting for him to soften and trust me, which is happening slowly, and he's doing sweet things like making plans for the rest of the year and saying things like I'd be a great mum but with it the jokes are becoming less funny and more like actual insults.

Combined with his real difficulty around verbally expressing affection (unless I do it first), I'n starting to notice this is knocking my confidence in him and our relationship and I'm beginning to be passive-aggressive myself so I need to sort it out.

Context....

I've picked up that he seems to be maybe a little intimidated by my dating experience (as one of a few examples, he's compared his never having had a 'proper' girlfriend to my previous long-term relationship and said I obviously know how to do them etc).

He's also perhaps a little competitive about work stuff. We're both freelance, and I've been very busy since we started dating whereas he's had hardly had any work. He once sarcastically mimicked me when I mentioned I'd won an award for something, along the lines of 'I'm just so good at everything'. It was only once, and he's mostly supportive, but I don't like where it comes from and I notice myself censoring good things that happen to me at work incase they make him feel worse about situation which I know is stressing him out a lot.

I think that underneath he is a good person, and I've noticed he has a very high level of empathy - when I've called him out on stuff before (like his insulting banter) he's looked mortified and upset, and he's displayed real and genuine feeling for me when I've been upset about other things which are unrelated to him.

For context, I'm generally a patient and accomodating person - I can be way too accommodating - and have stayed in relationships that I knew in my heart weren't right for way too long too many times. I'm looking for the person I want to settle down with, and I'm worried about making a mistake again. So perhaps I'm wary.

On the other hand, I can be a picky perfectionist and someone who sees the worst in things people say to me and takes them more to heart than perhaps I should. I have noticed though that many people seem to have enough sensitivity to pretty much never offend me so this isn't a universal issue in my relationships. My ex used to say I was too sensitive a lot as a way of invalidating my feelings. Looking back, I think I had a right to be upset and it has slightly affected my ability to trust myself in situations like this (I believe it could have been gaslighting). Hence why I'd like some second opinions!

On the ownership point, he has actually said that every single one of his previous girlfriends has had very good reason to be angry with him. And when I did call him out on being insensitive one time. he said that he agrees and I do not deserve that behaviour. He asked me specifically what good looked like, and what I wanted to change about the relationship. I think he actively wanted guidance, and would be open to a talk about this.

I also think that because I'm also quite sarcastic and well, British in the sense that piss-taking is the way that my family express humour I don't think he quite realises that this is upsetting me. On the outside i kind of pretend that it's water off a duck's back most of the time. It's not like I'm just sitting there visibly upset... perhaps I should modify this and stop pretending to have no vulnerabilities. He clearly thinks I'm very confident, from comments he's made before.

Again, my question: would the behaviour I describe bother you, and how would you react? Do any of you have experience with insensitive husbands / boyfriends, or are you one yourself? Am I just being too sensitive here?

OP posts:
MsPavlichenko · 06/05/2019 01:32

No. He is an abuser. Waste no more time.

justilou1 · 06/05/2019 01:39

I would run a mile. If this has broken up EVERY relationship of his and he hasn't changed his behaviour, it's HIM. He's not clumsy, he's an arsehole. He really means what he's saying and then he hides it behind "Can't you take a joke?" to deflect his abuse at you. The guy's a shit.

Mummaofmytribe · 06/05/2019 01:41

He makes you unhappy. You're only six months in. End it. It's not going to improve it'll just get worse. He hurts your feelings constantly and you're searching for reasons to justify him doing that. Don't bother!

sprouts21 · 06/05/2019 01:47

Get rid. He admits he's treated other women horribly.You don't want a project and this guy is making it your responsibility to manage his behaviour. The two statements below Are contradictory. Don't let him flatter you that you're different to the other women who were offended.

He asked me specifically what good looked like, and what I wanted to change about the relationshipI think he actively wanted guidance, and would be open to a talk about this^

He said early on that he likes my 'thick skin' because I'm able to laugh off his silly insults and that compared to a lot of the girls he has dated I get his humour

Poppyinafieldofdreams · 06/05/2019 01:50

Is he on the spectrum. Is he clever, mathematically inclined. People like this just do not understand social norms. I’ve met quite a few like this. Objective and objectionable but harmless. You are over sensitive super sensitive even. Should be fun. He’s certainly not abusive just misplaced. Slightly out of step. DH and I are like this and we have been together for ages. It comes with understanding each other’s true inner emotions. Anybody can say anything. It doesn’t mean that they actually mean it. We communicate without speech. You just know.

Horsemenoftheaclopalypse · 06/05/2019 01:50

I think you are reading a bit much into some of it... But also that he sounds kind of annoying.

Bottom line: Doesn’t matter if you are being too sensitive - You don’t like it and isn’t making you happy.

End it.

Tattybear16 · 06/05/2019 01:50

Nope, you know he’s no good, run for the hills. He’s a twat, and he hides behind his supposed sense of humour, he’s not funny, he’s an abuser.

NameChangedNoImagination · 06/05/2019 01:54

I think he sounds all right. The only thing that would have really pissed me off is the award thing. That was out of order and I hope you gave him what for.

Jenasaurus · 06/05/2019 01:59

It will get worse. I was in a similar relationship to this. When I asked my ex why he said such horrible things he said “your robust, you can handle it”. Your man sounds so similar to my ex don’t let him knock you down

Aimily · 06/05/2019 02:00

That's a fairly substantial list for 6 months. Also a very balanced bit of writing. I do hope you're giving as good as you're getting?

He is a bit of a thoughtless prat but I wouldn't say he's the worst, however, if he isn't enhancing your happiness then I'd say bye because life if too short to put up with someone that doesn't.

Greenyogagirl · 06/05/2019 02:01

The fact that you wrote all that means you aren’t happy.
My ex is autistic and blunt, I shrugged it off because that’s just how he is. My current partner is also blunt and some of what he says could be upsetting but he apologises and I know he doesn’t mean to hurt me but I have known him nearly a decade.
Even if he doesn’t mean to upset you he obviously is and you shouldn’t be with someone who upsets you

Aquamarine1029 · 06/05/2019 02:01

I'm concerned that you seem to be trying to talk yourself into staying with him. He's a fucking twat, op. Sarcastic, passive-aggressive and grossly insecure.

HE MAKES YOU FEEL POORLY ABOUT YOURSELF. Why on earth are you still with him? It's better to be single than to feel lonely and dejected whilst in a relationship. You're too smart to be with him. Now prove it by getting rid.

Sashkin · 06/05/2019 02:06

Whether he intends to be abusive or not is kind of irrelevant - he just doesn’t sound like he is particularly nice to you.

Do you want another 40years of this? Do you want him to treat your children like this? Because he is telling you that this is what he is like, previous girlfriends dumping him hasn’t prompted him to change, so there is no reason to expect he would change for you, or even be capable of behaving differently if he wanted to. This is who he is.

thatwouldbeanecumenicalmatter · 06/05/2019 02:21

Being called featureless, well fed, compared looks wise to a dog on a special occasion (wtf), nasty jibes about your career etc, resulting in you second guessing yourself, nah kick him to the kerb. 6 months in should still be the honeymoon period and on your best behaviour not tearing into your girlfriends confidence like it's a sport. You're not oversensitive, it's all him, he's a negging little knob.

Knitclubchatter · 06/05/2019 02:27

6 months in should still be dreamy in cloud land.
This many concerns suggests long term isn’t going to be better.

Flower777 · 06/05/2019 02:49

How old is he? What was his upbringing?

I agree with the other posters that it doesn’t sound great but also he comes across as not knowing how to connect with women.

What do you like about him?

How about a really honest chat with him and see if he can change?

50shadesofgreyrock · 06/05/2019 03:08

I wondered about aspergers too. But not if he is using ‘humour’ as an excuse to be rude.
Was it a cute dog? (I recoiled in horror when I read what he had sent you, but I do know a guy who would have thought ‘oh she likes dogs - this is cute and funny’ and the same with the ‘just one?’ thing. A har-de-har that only works if you both understand it is a lame cheesey joke, and not at all if you are feeling sensitive or wary.)

Alicewond · 06/05/2019 03:14

Is this copied and posted?

“Is this an issue we can work through?
May 5, 2019 1:44 PM Subscribe”

MrsTerryPratchett · 06/05/2019 03:22

compared to a lot of the girls he has dated I get his humour.

I didn't read further than this. Only misogynistic wankers think 'you're not like the other girls' is a compliment.

Prettyvase · 06/05/2019 03:36

Horrific, he's jealous of you to boot.

You are describing aspie/ autistic traits.

You are incompatible.

This is the honeymoon stage of the relationship where the best bits happen.

I have been married for over 20 years and my DH has never done any or said any of those horrible things.

You have some how lost sight of the fact that having a good partner and a good relationship is about having someone who enhances your life for the better.

Please get rid asap before he does any more to wreck your confidence and bring you down.

RiversDisguise · 06/05/2019 03:43

Tbh I think he sounds mainly ok. I had an ex like this was essentially a good lad, but his snarky humour landed him in hit water constantly.

My husband gets a lot of awards for something he does and I mock him endlessly in a ninny voice. Blush

The novel you've written suggests he is not for you, though

Graphista · 06/05/2019 03:47

Honestly?

At first I was with you and expecting to find him verbally abusive...

Actually I disagree.

He and I would likely get on well, I've a very cynical outlook and naturally quite dry, biting, sarcastic sense of humour. I'd have batted back pretty much every example you gave and then some! It's how I naturally communicate with most people, my friends and family know what I'm like and if anything my honesty is valued.

But a few of my close friends who are of a more sensitive persuasion couldn't cope with someone like him and so have chosen not to be and are with people who are more quiet, very careful about what they say types - and even then there's been issues when the less sensitive one has said something not quite right simply due to tiredness etc and it's caused a huge issue.

I'm more careful what I say around them as they do take it to heart but I couldn't be in a relationship with someone that sensitive as I'd have to change myself too much.

I have been irritated at times when they've been upset at things which to me and most others aren't offensive, and I have second guessed myself and asked others their opinion, things like not answering texts immediately or being honest but polite about whether a clothing item they're trying on suits them

You're clearly of the more sensitive type, it's pointless your pretending otherwise and being miserable.

You'd be better off ending this relationship and finding someone more gentle and less sarcastic generally, but I also think it would do you good to consider finding a way to generally toughen up. Several of the examples you gave i wouldn't even have registered as a negative comment.

pissedonatrain · 06/05/2019 03:49

He's an arse. Mean, passive aggressive, jealous, twat

I bet he doesn't talk his to boss like that does he.

costacoffeecup · 06/05/2019 04:29

The comment when you won the award was spiteful, that would worry me as he should be genuinely happy for you.

The rest wouldn't bother me. I think the dog in the flower crown is really funny 😬 I doubt he meant it in a bad way but it does seem clear that he doesn't see how things could be misconstrued.

Agree with others though that it sounds like he's not what you expect so maybe time to move on.

YesimstillwatchingNetflix · 06/05/2019 05:04

He sounds mean. Don't be with someone who puts you down OP. Trust your gut.

Typical bully trying to hide behind a 'joke' and saying that people who don't like it have 'no sense of humour.'

Nope, comedians are funny and they also have the ability to read the room. Your boyfriend is a run of the mill arsehole, as many women before you have discovered.

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