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Is my boyfriend abusive or just clumsy?

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StartingAgain33 · 06/05/2019 01:28

Is this an issue we can work through?
May 5, 2019 1:44 PM Subscribe
I think my boyfriend means well and has genuine feelings for me but he seems to put his foot in his mouth a lot and sometimes the comments just seem a little nasty and unsupportive. I really like him and would be super sad if we broke up, but I don't want to continue in a relationship with someone who's potentially emotionally abusive and would value some objectivity here about some of the things he says. Combined with the fact that he finds it hard to express affection, this is really starting to affect me.

I've been seeing my boyfriend for around six months. We had an instant spark, and make eachother laugh a lot. I love lots of things about him. I hear lots of hints from him that he would like to see this relationship flourish. I once got upset about something insensitive he had done and he admitted to me that he had written in his journal that I was his perfect woman and that if he cant make it work with me he can't with anyone (I did have to get upset for him to admit that but still...).

My question: would the behaviour I describe bother you, and how would you react?

The thing that bothers me....

The crux of the problem is that he quite regularly says things that hurt my feelings. He would describe himself as 'blunt','honest' and 'logical'. But is this just shorthand for being a bit of an insensitive dick?

He said early on that he likes my 'thick skin' because I'm able to laugh off his silly insults and that compared to a lot of the girls he has dated I get his humour. But sometimes he says things which don't feel funny. I feel angry right now as there have been a few comments in the past week (during our first ever weekend away) and I don't know whether to confront him about it and possibly end the relationship (it feels like a potential red flag), just put it down to clumsiness on his part, or try and work it through with him. I have been quite patient already, I feel, although I've never confronted this issue directly.

As an example, whilst drawing my portrait he said that I had a 'featureless face'. I made some sort of sarcastic 'thanks' back (I was quite embarrassed as we were in front of his housemate) and he said he meant I was pretty and it's difficult to draw pretty people as they have 'less obvious features' to draw.

The day before, in a rare moment of vulnerability I said I feel a bit fat at the moment and like I have a belly (it was a big thing for me to admit this). He replied that I wasn't fat, but 'well-fed'. I was clearly offended at this, and he didnt back down or apologise - just repeated it (for context, I'm UK size 10 - hardly a heifer, and not that it matters). It was very awkward, as it was on our first ever little break away together, but I now feel angry about it and like he consciously or unconsciously seemed to want to increase my insecurity instead of soothing it. It's not like I regularly fish for compliments; I was just having one vulnerable moment. He seems generally a bit funny about food - comments that we've eaten enough and don't need dessert, makes me feel a bit self conscious about ordering it (he also regularly doesnt eat much before we see eachother so he can indulge; perhaps he thinks I should do this too).

Reading between the lines, he seems to have offended a lot of girls he's dated - and this is partly why his relationships haven't worked out. One girl who he describes as 'crazy' texted him angry messages for two years after they'd broken up because she was so angry at him still (he mentioned one message which was about his insults).

I looked through our last few interactions by text and many of his replies to me are sarcastic. I sent him a picture of myself in a flower crown at a friend's wedding (I was bridemaid) and he sent me back a smiley face - and a picture of a dog wearing a flower crown. I said I'd meet him when I got back to our home city but that I'd have a little suitcase with me and his reply was 'just one'? It's tiring.

I'll admit that I have mostly found his humour and cheekiness funny, and I can give as good as I get on occasion. This week my responses have been spikier due to feeling tired of it all.

He also seems to bring up his insecurities in a sideways way, so that I can't directly address them. For instance, I once said that if I don't like a book I will stop reading it as I don't see the point in wasting time reading something I don't like, and he joked that I'm like that with men (I'm not, but I can see why he might think so - we've never discussed this in depth).

He also joked TWICE on our first little holiday about my 'future boyfriends'. I find this hurtful and bizarre. Perhaps he wants some sort of reassurance or reaction from me, but I feel blindsided and immaturely joked later about his 'future girlfriend' to give him a taste of his own medicine (as I said, I've gotten spikier in the last week!).

I am finding that he's perhaps slightly cynical and untrusting of people in general. I feel like I've been waiting for him to soften and trust me, which is happening slowly, and he's doing sweet things like making plans for the rest of the year and saying things like I'd be a great mum but with it the jokes are becoming less funny and more like actual insults.

Combined with his real difficulty around verbally expressing affection (unless I do it first), I'n starting to notice this is knocking my confidence in him and our relationship and I'm beginning to be passive-aggressive myself so I need to sort it out.

Context....

I've picked up that he seems to be maybe a little intimidated by my dating experience (as one of a few examples, he's compared his never having had a 'proper' girlfriend to my previous long-term relationship and said I obviously know how to do them etc).

He's also perhaps a little competitive about work stuff. We're both freelance, and I've been very busy since we started dating whereas he's had hardly had any work. He once sarcastically mimicked me when I mentioned I'd won an award for something, along the lines of 'I'm just so good at everything'. It was only once, and he's mostly supportive, but I don't like where it comes from and I notice myself censoring good things that happen to me at work incase they make him feel worse about situation which I know is stressing him out a lot.

I think that underneath he is a good person, and I've noticed he has a very high level of empathy - when I've called him out on stuff before (like his insulting banter) he's looked mortified and upset, and he's displayed real and genuine feeling for me when I've been upset about other things which are unrelated to him.

For context, I'm generally a patient and accomodating person - I can be way too accommodating - and have stayed in relationships that I knew in my heart weren't right for way too long too many times. I'm looking for the person I want to settle down with, and I'm worried about making a mistake again. So perhaps I'm wary.

On the other hand, I can be a picky perfectionist and someone who sees the worst in things people say to me and takes them more to heart than perhaps I should. I have noticed though that many people seem to have enough sensitivity to pretty much never offend me so this isn't a universal issue in my relationships. My ex used to say I was too sensitive a lot as a way of invalidating my feelings. Looking back, I think I had a right to be upset and it has slightly affected my ability to trust myself in situations like this (I believe it could have been gaslighting). Hence why I'd like some second opinions!

On the ownership point, he has actually said that every single one of his previous girlfriends has had very good reason to be angry with him. And when I did call him out on being insensitive one time. he said that he agrees and I do not deserve that behaviour. He asked me specifically what good looked like, and what I wanted to change about the relationship. I think he actively wanted guidance, and would be open to a talk about this.

I also think that because I'm also quite sarcastic and well, British in the sense that piss-taking is the way that my family express humour I don't think he quite realises that this is upsetting me. On the outside i kind of pretend that it's water off a duck's back most of the time. It's not like I'm just sitting there visibly upset... perhaps I should modify this and stop pretending to have no vulnerabilities. He clearly thinks I'm very confident, from comments he's made before.

Again, my question: would the behaviour I describe bother you, and how would you react? Do any of you have experience with insensitive husbands / boyfriends, or are you one yourself? Am I just being too sensitive here?

OP posts:
Nillynally · 06/05/2019 05:06

He's sounds like he's on the spectrum

TattooNC · 06/05/2019 05:30

I don't think him being abusive or not makes a real difference here. It can be debated all day but what I take from your post is you've had enough of him.

If losing all his previous girlfriends over this behaviour wasn't enough to make him change his ways I doubt anything will.

Walk away because it sounds like you're already done with him. I don't blame you one bit either. He sounds tiring.

Mixedbags · 06/05/2019 05:34

It really shouldn’t be this hard this early on. I think you are over analylitical and he is walking on eggshells with you. Of course people can modify their behaviour to a degree but you seem to be expecting him to answer your questions like a quiz. A lot of men are insensitive and not very self aware. It’s no excuse but if you do have a belly pouch of fat and you know it’s there you maybe should not be surprised if he confirms that. You should not expect him to lie to save your feelings. Look at your own self worth and confidence and work in this. However, a truly supportive partner should be pleased and positive their spouse won an award.

category12 · 06/05/2019 08:07

It boils down to the fact that he's knocking your confidence, making you afraid to share your successes and feelings, and making you unhappy.

It really doesn't matter why he does it, it's the same effect on you whatever. This relationship is chipping away at your self esteem. You shouldn't stay in a relationship that makes you feel bad.

EleanorOalike · 06/05/2019 08:46

You could honestly be describing my ex six months in. I left that relationship utterly broken and haven’t had another in over 4 years. He really got a kick out of humiliation and cruelty towards me and it started so gradually and subtly that I didn’t actually notice when things became genuinely abusive.

Get out. He’s a twat that doesn’t deserve a girlfriend.

ElspethFlashman · 06/05/2019 09:17

He's a Negger. He has to put you back in your box. It's probably born out of insecurity, but so what?

He's still a Negger. And will be forever.

Time to call it a day and find someone who celebrates you and makes you feel stronger, not wobbly.

You really shouldn't have a list that long after just a few months. Really.

ElspethFlashman · 06/05/2019 09:22

Frankly if someone sent me back a picture of a dog in a flower crown, that would be it.

He actually had to go to Google and find that. Sniggering to himself all the time. And what was the thought process? "She thinks she looks great, what'll I answer? Hmm.... Oh fuck me I'm hilarious, I bet there's a funny picture of a pig or a dog in a rig out like that somewhere, that'll be brilliant"

Imagine for a minute if a female friend had done that instead? We'd be properly offended. Why is it "bantz" when a man does it? But rude and spiteful if a woman was to do it to you?

bollocksthemess · 06/05/2019 09:36

I’m about 8 months in to a relationship. NOT ONCE has he made me feel bad about myself, been mean, or hurtful.

We’ve both been tired, grumpy, etc but not once have we been unkind to one another.
Bet you’re not unkind to him.

Why be with someone who isn’t nice to you?

FannyOMalley · 06/05/2019 09:40

It shouldn’t be this hard only 6 months in. He sounds draining to be around.

AtrociousCircumstance · 06/05/2019 09:42

He’s a horrible twat. Definitely stay with him if you want to be miserable, doubt yourself, and emerge from the relationship however many years later with considerable emotional damage to carry.

AFistfulofDolores1 · 06/05/2019 09:47

I once got upset about something insensitive he had done and he admitted to me that he had written in his journal that I was his perfect woman and that if he cant make it work with me he can't with anyone (I did have to get upset for him to admit that but still...).

This alone would cause me to end things.

Hotterthanahotthing · 06/05/2019 09:52

It's 6 months,it should be fun
. It's not, it's hard work it's affecting you mentally.
Walk.

rupple · 06/05/2019 09:54

I just wrote a long answer full of advice, then scrapped it.

He's thick, just get rid.

MadAboutWands · 06/05/2019 09:54

In some ways he reminds of H who is on the spectrum. Very clumsy in the way he says things and able to be very hurtful when actually he doesn’t want to.

However, you’ve also noticed the H am not DH. That’s because years of being hurt by little comments like this have taken their toll. Death by a thousands cuts type of things.

I dint know where this guy is, how open he actually is about changing etc.... but if you do carry on seeing him, be aware the little digs won’t stop as such, even more so if they are totally involuntary and a foot in your mouth moment.

CaptSkippy · 06/05/2019 10:01

It doesn't matter if he is clumsy or on the spectrum or just a dick. The result is the same damage to your self-esteeem and well being. HE is either incapable or underserving of a relationship.

This is not worth your mental health.

KeepCoolCalmAndCollected · 06/05/2019 10:06

Featureless face - what a nasty put-down (he should have complimented you!!)

We've had enough to eat now - controlling. (You're only a size 10!).

You look very well-fed - he won't be happy with you unless you're a size 6.

Your award - he's jealous of you.

The flowers - another disgusting put-down from him - sounds like he was jealous that he wasn't there/resented you being there.

This guy will drain the life out of you and you will begin to lose your self-esteem.

Don't waste your time on this prat - he's an insiduous bastard and he will get worse.

You sound lovely - find someone who adores you, compliments you and is positive for you and about you.

TeaStory · 06/05/2019 10:12

I only got as far as “He would describe himself as 'blunt','honest' and 'logical'.” before thinking FFS, he’s one of those.

Things shouldn’t be this crap six months in. He won’t change because he never has, even though he knows it drives women away. Would you be happy to stay with him, as he is right now, forever? If the answer is “no”, then that has to be that. You can’t change him.

Bringbackthestripes · 06/05/2019 10:16

But is this just shorthand for being a bit of an insensitive dick?

Yes. Move on and find someone who doesn’t make you feel this way. You even wrote this is really starting to affect me. so why on Earth would you stay with him? For your own sanity dump him before he leaves you a broken shell of the person you once were.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 06/05/2019 10:22

StartingAgain

Re your comment:-
"For context, I'm generally a patient and accomodating person - I can be way too accommodating - and have stayed in relationships that I knew in my heart weren't right for way too long too many times".

And you are doing this again now with this bloke. You are an attractive proposition for someone like this bloke then to get his claws into partly because of your own too low boundaries here which he can and has indeed exploited to his own ends. Look too at what you learnt about relationships when you were growing up.

Love your own self for a change OP, not this person. And yes he is abusive towards you. You and he should not be together at all and six months in as well should be a hell of a lot happier.

Summerwalk · 06/05/2019 10:29

He maybe on the spectrum- I used to use this as an excuse about my abusive ex...however it's unfair on ppl who are autistic/on the spectrum!

Stop trying to look for justification about his behaviour. Look at the facts. He's constantly upsetting you. You deserve someone much nicer. Your confidence will be crushed if you continue. You'll never be happy with this chump.

funnylittlefloozie · 06/05/2019 10:36

Blah blah, he might be on the spectrum, blah blah... or he might just be a rude clueless dickhead.

I think its interesting that you said explicitly that he had a lot of empathy, when absolutely NOTHING else you wrote supported that view. Did he tell you that he had a lot of empathy, by any chance?

Look, 6 months in it shouldnt be this hard. This man is not very nice, and his sense of "humour" doesnt gel with yours. That alone is enough reason to end things. I couldn't be with someone i couldn't laugh with.

AfterSchoolWorry · 06/05/2019 10:41

I think he's on the spectrum too.

I'm wondering if he meant 'flawless' rather than featureless.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 06/05/2019 10:47

Who knows why he is like this?. He does this because he can.

The thing here is that you are unhappy and that in itself is enough to walk away from him. You said yourself that you are, "generally a patient and accommodating person - I can be way too accommodating - and have stayed in relationships that I knew in my heart weren't right for way too long too many times". This is one of those times again. He is not worth your mental health becoming worse.

Tuesdayrain · 06/05/2019 10:50

My DH is like this. He has aspergers and never really understands that it's just not funny and is always shocked when I pull him up on it. Having said that, if he makes you feel unhappy this early on then just save yourself the bother and stop it all now. It won't change and if it is hurting your feeling then it's hurting your feelings.

Tuesdayrain · 06/05/2019 10:55

Also with the featureless thing. I paint portraits and it is always easier to get a better likeness of people with big noses, wrinkles and lines etc...features of their face. You are young and pretty so he could have genuinely meant you have a featureless face 🤷🏻‍♀️

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