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Is my boyfriend abusive or just clumsy?

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StartingAgain33 · 06/05/2019 01:28

Is this an issue we can work through?
May 5, 2019 1:44 PM Subscribe
I think my boyfriend means well and has genuine feelings for me but he seems to put his foot in his mouth a lot and sometimes the comments just seem a little nasty and unsupportive. I really like him and would be super sad if we broke up, but I don't want to continue in a relationship with someone who's potentially emotionally abusive and would value some objectivity here about some of the things he says. Combined with the fact that he finds it hard to express affection, this is really starting to affect me.

I've been seeing my boyfriend for around six months. We had an instant spark, and make eachother laugh a lot. I love lots of things about him. I hear lots of hints from him that he would like to see this relationship flourish. I once got upset about something insensitive he had done and he admitted to me that he had written in his journal that I was his perfect woman and that if he cant make it work with me he can't with anyone (I did have to get upset for him to admit that but still...).

My question: would the behaviour I describe bother you, and how would you react?

The thing that bothers me....

The crux of the problem is that he quite regularly says things that hurt my feelings. He would describe himself as 'blunt','honest' and 'logical'. But is this just shorthand for being a bit of an insensitive dick?

He said early on that he likes my 'thick skin' because I'm able to laugh off his silly insults and that compared to a lot of the girls he has dated I get his humour. But sometimes he says things which don't feel funny. I feel angry right now as there have been a few comments in the past week (during our first ever weekend away) and I don't know whether to confront him about it and possibly end the relationship (it feels like a potential red flag), just put it down to clumsiness on his part, or try and work it through with him. I have been quite patient already, I feel, although I've never confronted this issue directly.

As an example, whilst drawing my portrait he said that I had a 'featureless face'. I made some sort of sarcastic 'thanks' back (I was quite embarrassed as we were in front of his housemate) and he said he meant I was pretty and it's difficult to draw pretty people as they have 'less obvious features' to draw.

The day before, in a rare moment of vulnerability I said I feel a bit fat at the moment and like I have a belly (it was a big thing for me to admit this). He replied that I wasn't fat, but 'well-fed'. I was clearly offended at this, and he didnt back down or apologise - just repeated it (for context, I'm UK size 10 - hardly a heifer, and not that it matters). It was very awkward, as it was on our first ever little break away together, but I now feel angry about it and like he consciously or unconsciously seemed to want to increase my insecurity instead of soothing it. It's not like I regularly fish for compliments; I was just having one vulnerable moment. He seems generally a bit funny about food - comments that we've eaten enough and don't need dessert, makes me feel a bit self conscious about ordering it (he also regularly doesnt eat much before we see eachother so he can indulge; perhaps he thinks I should do this too).

Reading between the lines, he seems to have offended a lot of girls he's dated - and this is partly why his relationships haven't worked out. One girl who he describes as 'crazy' texted him angry messages for two years after they'd broken up because she was so angry at him still (he mentioned one message which was about his insults).

I looked through our last few interactions by text and many of his replies to me are sarcastic. I sent him a picture of myself in a flower crown at a friend's wedding (I was bridemaid) and he sent me back a smiley face - and a picture of a dog wearing a flower crown. I said I'd meet him when I got back to our home city but that I'd have a little suitcase with me and his reply was 'just one'? It's tiring.

I'll admit that I have mostly found his humour and cheekiness funny, and I can give as good as I get on occasion. This week my responses have been spikier due to feeling tired of it all.

He also seems to bring up his insecurities in a sideways way, so that I can't directly address them. For instance, I once said that if I don't like a book I will stop reading it as I don't see the point in wasting time reading something I don't like, and he joked that I'm like that with men (I'm not, but I can see why he might think so - we've never discussed this in depth).

He also joked TWICE on our first little holiday about my 'future boyfriends'. I find this hurtful and bizarre. Perhaps he wants some sort of reassurance or reaction from me, but I feel blindsided and immaturely joked later about his 'future girlfriend' to give him a taste of his own medicine (as I said, I've gotten spikier in the last week!).

I am finding that he's perhaps slightly cynical and untrusting of people in general. I feel like I've been waiting for him to soften and trust me, which is happening slowly, and he's doing sweet things like making plans for the rest of the year and saying things like I'd be a great mum but with it the jokes are becoming less funny and more like actual insults.

Combined with his real difficulty around verbally expressing affection (unless I do it first), I'n starting to notice this is knocking my confidence in him and our relationship and I'm beginning to be passive-aggressive myself so I need to sort it out.

Context....

I've picked up that he seems to be maybe a little intimidated by my dating experience (as one of a few examples, he's compared his never having had a 'proper' girlfriend to my previous long-term relationship and said I obviously know how to do them etc).

He's also perhaps a little competitive about work stuff. We're both freelance, and I've been very busy since we started dating whereas he's had hardly had any work. He once sarcastically mimicked me when I mentioned I'd won an award for something, along the lines of 'I'm just so good at everything'. It was only once, and he's mostly supportive, but I don't like where it comes from and I notice myself censoring good things that happen to me at work incase they make him feel worse about situation which I know is stressing him out a lot.

I think that underneath he is a good person, and I've noticed he has a very high level of empathy - when I've called him out on stuff before (like his insulting banter) he's looked mortified and upset, and he's displayed real and genuine feeling for me when I've been upset about other things which are unrelated to him.

For context, I'm generally a patient and accomodating person - I can be way too accommodating - and have stayed in relationships that I knew in my heart weren't right for way too long too many times. I'm looking for the person I want to settle down with, and I'm worried about making a mistake again. So perhaps I'm wary.

On the other hand, I can be a picky perfectionist and someone who sees the worst in things people say to me and takes them more to heart than perhaps I should. I have noticed though that many people seem to have enough sensitivity to pretty much never offend me so this isn't a universal issue in my relationships. My ex used to say I was too sensitive a lot as a way of invalidating my feelings. Looking back, I think I had a right to be upset and it has slightly affected my ability to trust myself in situations like this (I believe it could have been gaslighting). Hence why I'd like some second opinions!

On the ownership point, he has actually said that every single one of his previous girlfriends has had very good reason to be angry with him. And when I did call him out on being insensitive one time. he said that he agrees and I do not deserve that behaviour. He asked me specifically what good looked like, and what I wanted to change about the relationship. I think he actively wanted guidance, and would be open to a talk about this.

I also think that because I'm also quite sarcastic and well, British in the sense that piss-taking is the way that my family express humour I don't think he quite realises that this is upsetting me. On the outside i kind of pretend that it's water off a duck's back most of the time. It's not like I'm just sitting there visibly upset... perhaps I should modify this and stop pretending to have no vulnerabilities. He clearly thinks I'm very confident, from comments he's made before.

Again, my question: would the behaviour I describe bother you, and how would you react? Do any of you have experience with insensitive husbands / boyfriends, or are you one yourself? Am I just being too sensitive here?

OP posts:
ProbablyMyMillionthNameChange · 07/05/2019 00:10

Gamble66 my thoughts exactly!

ProbablyMyMillionthNameChange · 07/05/2019 00:16

It does sound like autistic traits but if he's making you unhappy then you aren't a good match.

Seeing some of the misconceptions about autism in some of the comments here is quite depressing!

StartingAgain33 · 07/05/2019 00:47

Thanks everyone. I really appreciate your input. Some have made me chuckle, some have made me think hard. Maybe I was rash in thinking about giving him another chance. I think I’ll give myself some space.

OP posts:
pissedonatrain · 07/05/2019 04:16

If he knows he has issues, why doesn't he get professional help for it?

He really can't expect a woman to fix his problems for him.

It doesn't matter if he's on the spectrum or not. None of us know that.

Him doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result isn't helping at all.

I would suggest to him to find a therapist and work on his issues. If he really is on the spectrum, he will be properly diagnosed and be given assistance. They can help him with self-esteem and other issues if he is willing to work at it.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 07/05/2019 09:03

And as the previous respondent wrote, if he does have issues then why is he not going to see a therapist?. The man is really not taking any responsibility here for his actions, again. It was more flannel from him.

I would not give him any more chances; he's already had plenty of those already. Regardless of where he is from this is who he is and you need to take heed, he does not act like this because of cultural differences. He acts like this because he can and his relationship history is chequered to say the very least. This man could really give a masterclass in manipulation, he is very good at that and I feel you are being well and truly played. He told you what you wanted to hear and I would think he said similar previously to all those other woman as well.

Abuse too is also insidious in its onset and does creep up on people unawares. Abusive people do not walk around with abuser written on their forehead nor are they horrible all the time. Their nice/nasty cycle however is a continuous one.

Love your own self for a change OP.

Aussiebean · 07/05/2019 09:48

You shouldn’t be the experiment to see if he can have a relationship where he tries to treat a woman with respect.

To be honest I stop reading after you said he was telling you how much you should eat and that you didn’t need dessert. What an arsehole right there. How dare he tell you what to do with your body.

He already knew he had issues with insults before he met you. Why wasn’t he working on it before he started dating you? Why do you get to be his punching bag while he ‘tries’ to do better.

Nope. Tell him to get some help and not to date anyone else until he does. He shouldn’t be dating girls just to see if they will ‘get his sense of humour ‘ which basically means ‘put up with his shit’. He should be working on himself, then date.

You don’t deserve someone who makes you feel shit about yourself and you shouldn’t waste you time waiting to see if he can stop treating you shit.

lifebegins50 · 07/05/2019 10:44

It was me that asked about family & friends relationships as it can often be a further indicator/predictor of abusive relationships.

PaperHead · 07/05/2019 11:34

Nope. Tell him to get some help and not to date anyone else until he does. He shouldn’t be dating girls just to see if they will ‘get his sense of humour ‘ which basically means ‘put up with his shit’. He should be working on himself, then date.

Yes, absolutely. And the 'Oh, you get my unique sense of humour, unlike all the other girls' thing is a genuine red flag. You sound as if you think he's an audition you are just about passing, OP, and you already sound as if you're doubting yourself and going back to considering your feelings less valid than his (as you say was the case with your ex) -- it really shouldn't be like this.

At best, he's a confused, not particularly happy or successful man who's poor at social interaction, and doesn't grasp that his remarks have an impact on other people. At worst, he's a controlling misogynist who's just spied his next mark.

Do you need either in your life, OP?

NameChangedNoImagination · 07/05/2019 11:36

The suggestion of her telling him not to date anyone else is very poor boundaries. If she's not with him, his love life is none of her business.

ukgift2016 · 07/05/2019 11:45

he agrees he needs to change and that this has been an issue before that he has been working on

Haha what a surprise, I bet other girlfriends have tried to change him too.

I dated someone similar, I got fed up with it pretty quickly and I am glad to be with someone 'normal' now.

woollyheart · 07/05/2019 12:16

Some people overdo the humorous comments. If you stay with him, let him know that some humour is fun, but if it is relentless it becomes very irritating. You need a sign that you can make that lets him know you have had enough and he needs to reign it in.

Sometimes he needs to show love in a more obviously kind and sympathetic way.

CJSmith2019 · 07/05/2019 13:40

Frankly if someone sent me back a picture of a dog in a flower crown, that would be it.

He actually had to go to Google and find that. Sniggering to himself all the time. And what was the thought process? "She thinks she looks great, what'll I answer? Hmm.... Oh fuck me I'm hilarious, I bet there's a funny picture of a pig or a dog in a rig out like that somewhere, that'll be brilliant"

Exactly what I thought. And if that means I am super sensitive, I'm glad to be. He gets a kick out of running you down, OP. It's no basis for a healthy loving relationship. Get rid.

zippey · 07/05/2019 13:51

I thought the “well fed” comment was funny but the bottom line is he makes you feel sad, and you’ve had to censor good things which have happened so he isn’t jealous.

You might be super sad at first but you can be happy with someone else who treats you how you want to be treated.

It does sound like he wants always be in hand with a funny quip, but usually sarcasm can be taken in a different context.

user1495018889 · 07/05/2019 14:06

If you feel like this, and you only been together for 6 months. That's a clear sign🏃‍♀️🏃‍♀️🏃‍♀️🏃‍♀️🏃‍♀️ run girl.

RedBerryTea · 07/05/2019 15:46

Try turning the tables and make a few jibes about his appearance, weight, work etc. Those that like to dish it out very rarely take it, and it would be interesting to see his reaction. Anyway, who wants to share their life with someone who just constantly takes the piss? It's really immature and not funny.

ChopinIn10Minuets · 07/05/2019 15:50

I’m already composing the final breakup speech in my head which in my experience is never a good sign!

On the contrary, it's a great sign. It's a great sign that you're about to get some self-respect and realise that this man is not and never will be relationship material.

TBH I got about two paragraphs into your first essay and thought...Er, no. Bin, bin, bin. The old sayings here about Communist conventions and Old Labour rallying songs come to mind, and while I'm here, can I refer you to the excellent 'sticky' thread at the top of this board?

Can't link easily on phone but you'll see it - it's titled 'Now listen up everyone.'

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 07/05/2019 16:02

I don't think he's necessarily abusive, he's just not a good fit for you. It's only been six months. You should be all lovey dovey but instead you're finding him hard work. End it and find someone more suitable.

Preggosaurus9 · 07/05/2019 16:22

It definitely shouldn't be this much hard work 6m in. Next!

ScabbyHorse · 07/05/2019 19:53

Do you want to have children?

Cherrysoup · 07/05/2019 23:07

He self sabotages. Loving all the ‘He’s on the spectrum’ comments, cos we can diagnose over the internet as we’re all so qualified. 😂

He’s making you feel bad, OP, I don’t see the point, to be honest. You’ve accepted his criticisms, time to tell him where to go.

5LeafClover · 07/05/2019 23:13

he is an arsehole, and he’s so sad about it and has sad reasons boo hoo hoo, and he’s manipulating you with his big sad sadness

This. He's pushing your boundaries back so you'll accept worse and worse behavior. The effort of being nice so you'd go out with him is falling away now. Your in the 'I can't believe I did that, this is the reason why you shouldn't take any notice' stage. Next steps, (if you are mad enough to hang around for them ) will be 'you made me do it' and finally 'its what you deserve'. He knows what respect is, it's just not how he wants to treat his partner.

Breastfeedingworries · 07/05/2019 23:20

Is his name rob? Surname name begins with an r too? He sounds exactly like my ex 😂

leomama81 · 07/05/2019 23:37

Really don't understand the PPs who have said the dog in a flower crown pic was funny - that is meant one way and one way only.

The thing is yes you can reason away certain incidents individually (oh but he probably meant this then, oh that wasn't so bad because) - which is why we end up staying so long in bad relationships - I know, I do it too. But add them all up and there is a pattern you can't escape. I've been with a guy like this - probably a more acute version - and I walked away after a couple of months and I don't regret it. He also had "crazy" exes too - that is a massive red flag as well by the way.

category12 · 08/05/2019 06:17

It's completely beside the point whether he's got a problem or whether some posters here would enjoy his "banter" (I don't believe them, as an ongoing thing either). What matters is, it's chipping away at the op and making her miserable.

Also OP, that stuff about him being able to be himself hurtful wanker with you and you're not like women before, is manipulative, trying to get you to be the "cool girlfriend" and make you feel sorry for him. But he knows the issue and that it actually hurts people he's supposed to like, to the point of him getting dumped on the regular, yet he does sod all to change. Being the one person with enough misplaced tolerance and lack of self preservation to put up with his shit isn't a prize you want to win.

CodenameVillanelle · 08/05/2019 06:24

Sorry, but being mean, rude and sarcastic is his default position even to his girlfriend. He's not going to have a personality transplant. He's just a knob - what about him makes you think you could love him?!

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