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Forced to spend insane amount on wedding..Should I marry him? Feeling torn.

383 replies

sakurawarrior · 28/04/2019 07:50

Ok, this is going to be a long post so I need to apologise - but I want to explain as thoroughly as I can. I'm not a mum but I wanted some sensible advice.

I'm in my late twenties. Four years ago I met my bf on the internet. After a year of a long distance relationship, I emigrated to the country he was living in to be with him. I know, that sounds nuts. A huge step. Needless to say, I was infatuated with him.

My history - Before him, I had two previous relationships. The first one when I was 16. I suspect now he was personality disordered. He 10 timed me and beat the shit out of me, then impregnated a married woman 20 years older than him. Needless to say, that damaged me and it took a year or two to recover. The next relationship lasted 5 years. I left him in the end because he kept binge drinking, slapped me across the face when I asked him to do something and a few other abusive incidents (he wasn't a complete psycho like the last one but less than perfect).

So anyway, back my present bf. He is Asian and thus came with some cultural baggage. His parents live in his home country and always expected him to have an arranged marriage. After we'd been together several months he told them he met me and he wants to be with me. They were extremely upset and disapproving and came up with a whole litany of reasons why I was a bad idea - I wouldn't be understanding of their culture, I would divorce him after a couple of years, I didn't hold a masters degree, my degree subject wasn't prestigious enough, westerners have no morals or values, we wouldn't suit each other... on and on it went.

He told me that he would stay in a relationship with me as long as possible, but couldn't marry me without their approval. He said the shame his parents would face would ruin their lives and the people around them would bully them and gossip making their lives a misery. He said we could only marry with their approval. But if by the time he got to 29 years old the social pressure to marry is too great, and if they didn't accept by then he would be forced to leave me. Of course, I hated this, but I tried to understand from his perspective because I loved him so much.

Fast forward two years and they have finally accepted with a condition. The wedding has to happen according to their customs, in their home country, and me and my parents must contribute to half the costs, which would come to an insane 20 grand. They will not compromise on this and bf has said he will leave me for an arranged marriage otherwise. Me and my parents could scrape together this amount of money but it just seems so wrong to spend this much on a wedding and to be forced to, as well. bf said his parents are compromising so much as they don't want me as a DIL at all, so now me and my parents need to compromise with spending the money and doing it their way.

I'm so conflicted I feel torn up inside. I feel like I don't know what to do anymore. My dad suggested that the money should be used as a house deposit instead of a wedding, and his parents got really offended by this, saying it's not about the money but about carrying out all the customs and traditions, and spending that amount of money is the only way it can be done.
My dad also thought I should ditch him on the principle that he would ultimately leave me if things came to that. There's a part of me that feels he is right, but I also have to understand my bf and his parent's POV. Holding some many conflicting views in my mind and so many shades of grey is driving me insane, frankly.

I've been reading through some of MN posts and I see the tendency to advocate leaving the relationship rather than staying. Honestly from the start our relationship has had huge strain because of these problems and my MH has naturally taken a hit. I've seen a number of therapists even one from his background - they didn't have an answer about the culture thing but said he is bordering emotionally abusive to me. (If he is annoyed at me he tends to give me the silent treatment, not at all great and the one problem in our relationship apart from the marriage issue).

I want a fresh perspective on this all. I don't know what to do. Any advice greatly appreciated. Tysm if you made it through this post.

OP posts:
Weenurse · 28/04/2019 09:37

Think about the children. How would they be treated and what would their expectations be of you as DIL?
Take s big step back and take a look from a distance.

OrchidInTheSun · 28/04/2019 09:38

"This might sound ridiculous but I'm shocked at how everyone thinks I'm being abused."

That's because you have no idea of what a healthy relationship is. This relationship is just less abusive than the previous ones but that doesn't mean it's not abusive.

Leave, come home, do the Freedom programme, spend time getting to know yourself. And read Reality's post that's pinned at the top of the Relationships board.

And you don't want to marry him and have children. You want to marry and have children full stop and that overriding desire is what's clouding your judgement.

This man is not 'better than nothing' which is the way you're behaving. It is always better to be alone rather than stay in a terrible relationship. Don't fall for the sunken costs fallacy.

BeginningOfTime · 28/04/2019 09:40

trigger warning

It has nothing to do with culture. This is a classic case of dowry. They want you to pay cash for the privilege. And I'm afraid to say that that demands don't stop once wedding is over. They will come up with requests like that on every occasion and can be relentless. I'm Indian and my cousin married someone who was so rich that they felt ashamed marrying her into THE family. They demand x amount to be gifted to their own kids by grandparents otherwise its shameful to them in front of their relatives. Their own gifts kind of rotate within the family (I mean the in-laws keep it) but this poor girl's parents have been left with nothing to save their marriage.

Leave while you can or they will be asking him to end the relationship on every turn unless you stump up enough case.

Trying leaving with kids in tow because your parents couldn't 'gift' you (i.e. their son) £5k on the birth of their grandchild and every birthday. It is a bottomless pit. Read about how many girls get burnt alive in or meet other 'accidents' in dowry cases.

Save yourself PLEASE!

RiversDisguise · 28/04/2019 09:40

His family are gauging how much of a cash cow you are. You will eventually be forced to move back home and sponsor them all.

He does not love you.

Go home to your family who do love you FFS

Whatsnewpussyhat · 28/04/2019 09:41

Why come here and ask for honest opinions/answers only to tell people they are wrong and he's not like that?

Deep down you know it's a bad situation. 2 bloody therapists have told you he is abusive.

Is he their only son? Will he be expected to live with his parents when they get older so you can become head skivvy?

The fact that you are prepared to go through with this just because you think it's too late to find someone else and are desperate to have kids speaks volumes.
Your mental health is already suffering.
Leave.

gairytoes · 28/04/2019 09:41

If someone could promise you a happy relationship/marriage with a different man in the future, would you leave him?

I'd be on a plane, rejoicing in the freedom and potential of my future.

Beachbodynowayready · 28/04/2019 09:43

You are very naive if you think after the wedding you will be leaving their country....
You may have dc but you won't be allowed to be a dm to them.

DizzySue · 28/04/2019 09:44

You will never be respected and seen as an equal. Biggest mistake you'll ever make is to have children with this man and tie yourself to him and his family forever. They will completely dominate you and your children you will have no say in anything.

Honestly, I think you have very low self esteem, you've had such a shit time that you think he's the one, and that you are so lucky to have him even though his parents don't want you etc.

I'm sorry, you need to find some self respect, you are better than that, if he doesn't want to marry you on your terms, and be sensible about all that money for a house deposit instead of a wedding then he is not the one for you.

Walk away with your head held high, it would be better to be alone than downtrodden and judged as if you are not enough.

TheTreeHearsYourSecret · 28/04/2019 09:46

I am also going to say that if he can't stand up to his parents about what he wants their influence, even from another country, is going to make you miserable.

Your views will not be taken into account. They will dictate your life to you, what you call your children etc all in the name of tradition.

You need to stop right now, read www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/698029-Right-listen-up-everybody this thread that is at the very top of the relationships board. It was started 10 years ago and is still totally relevant which is why MN made it the top thread.

I have been married for 20 years, Dh had dictator parents but he told them no, this is my life, not the one you think I should have but the one I want. They massively disapproved of me, thought our relationship wouldn't last but that was because they didn't really know their son and what he was really like personality wise. He was very low contact with them because he knew fundamentally that he was disappointing them with his choices. So rather than listen to them harp on at him, he just got on with living his life.

He did a degree in engineering but went straight into a graduate IT job, they told him it was a huge mistake and instead he should be miserable doing engineering rather than happy doing IT. Reader, he is still in IT today, it lights him up, he loves his job.

When a man marries he is supposed to put his wife's wishes above his parents, especially when they go against his wishes. Yours will not.

padraig123 · 28/04/2019 09:46

No I wouldn’t stay for the fact he said on many occasions he would leave you and this is threading behaviour. Imagine having kids , your mother in law would make u feel inferior and take over!!! It’s hard enough bringing kids up but I feel you’d be made to feel isolated. Ultimately it’s your decision but YOU should be the centre of your bfs thoughts and it’s YOU who’s feelings that should be considered, it’s YOUR WEDDING!!!!

OrchidInTheSun · 28/04/2019 09:47

And here's reality's post: Right, listen up everybody. www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/698029-Right-listen-up-everybody

Mishappening · 28/04/2019 09:48

Good grief girl - you are signing up to a lifetime of being ruled by his family. Why would you do that? Just why?

For goodness sake go home.

You seem to have a history in your relationships of actually feeling that you do not matter!

Time to boost up your self-respect and think about what YOU want from life: not this conflicted miserable situation I am sure. Run for the hills and do it now!

Hanab · 28/04/2019 09:48

Why are you still there or even thinking about it. £20k is a heck lot of money and if this is just the condition for the wedding I shudder to think what more they will ask for. I do believe it will not end with just the wedding!

Run OP run as fast as you can! He does not love you. He already said he will have an arranged marriage if you don’t agree for you and your folks to (go into debt probably) fund this wedding. Red flags galore!

Listen to your dad .. listen to the strangers online and get your butt back home!

DizzySue · 28/04/2019 09:49

Step 1: bully you into spending a lot of your money on wedding you don't want to uphold their reputation

Step 2: after you have children, coerce you into raising them exactly according to their wishes, disempower you as a mother.

Step 3: use guilt and power over you to force you into looking after them in their old age, possible giving up your life to move in with them and become maid / cook / nurse and carer.

All the above will happen while you are constantly made to feel you aren't good enough and you are so lucky to have been allowed to marry their precious son.

Seeleyboo · 28/04/2019 09:51

And once you have children you will be sidelined. He will take them back to his country to be raised by his family and you won't ever see them again.

DamnShesaSexyChick · 28/04/2019 09:52

You just sound so desperate OP it's quite sad, this really isn't fair on your family it must be destroying them

Drogosnextwife · 28/04/2019 09:52

They already have so much control over you, can you imagine what it will be like when you are actually married and have children? This is only going to get worse. Leave and do it bloody fast and don't look back.

InceyWinceyette · 28/04/2019 09:52

My partner is Asian, and he has parents who had string cultural expectations.

I have never lived under an ultimatum (you seem to face one after another)
I never felt the need to seek therapy in order to cope with the relationship
My partner understands and acknowledges that where there are differences in experience and expectation due to culture, it is for both of us to navigate equally, that we are both capable of adapting and embracing new experiences.

At this stage you should be brimming with joy. Not seeing therapists.
You should be feeling that you and your partner are a team, and cope with anything together, not be pushed into spreading this blackmail on to your own parents.

I am interested that the therapist recognised an abusive relationship through the smokescreen of all this ‘culture’ but you don’t see it.

You have not had a healthy relationship ever.

Yes, your second partner was also psycho, albeit the violence was less extreme. But slapping you is violence and binge drinking is psycho.

You too can give an ultimatum. If he loved you, he would wait. If he loved you he will marry you in a rationally priced ceremony.

But first you need to understand your own value. Your value is NOT measured in a £40k wedding.

Your value is knowing that you deserve to be treated with complete respect. That you have a right to half the decision making in every aspect of your relationship. That you are a person in your own right and valuable and precious and don’t need a partner to believe in yourself.

Come home. Get counselling for your self esteem. Find out why you price yourself do low. Let your own family look after you: your Dad is there.

Good luck OP.

TapasForTwo · 28/04/2019 09:54

Please, please listen to everyone on here. What you consider as a normal, functional relationship is not normal at all. If you were my daughter I would not be stumping up £20k for a wedding either.

This has disaster and unhappiness written all over it. You will not have a happy future with this man.

Bluetrews25 · 28/04/2019 09:55

Please come home and leave this relationship.
We can see how bad it is, you can't.
We have no reason to lie to you or mislead you.
MN is terrific at sniffing out abuse.
Trust us.

pikapikachu · 28/04/2019 09:56

Your dad is right- run! The controlling behaviour of your ILs will get worse. They will have an opinion on the school that your child attends, how they dress, what activities they do, their name... You'll be forced to send regular money to them and other relatives that you've never met. Your parents will not get a look in as it will be all about the paternal side. Would Indian authorities even help you if your h decided to keep the children in India?

Your partner is using culture to abuse you and your parents. This will spread to your extended family and future children if you marry. If you have children overseas and split up, you'll be truly trapped as you won't be able to return with the kids but may not have the visa to remain living there. You'd end up returning on your own and praying that your ex is reasonable and he's proven to be nasty as fuck.

Tell your partner that the wedding is off and go marry another random. Save your parents £20k, save you and your children from being controlled by the paternal IL. Be single for a bit and work on why you ended up in concurrent abusive relationships. Learn what a healthy relationship looks like. You have plenty of time to find another man.

EnjoyItAll · 28/04/2019 09:56

I very rarely say this but walk away. His and his family’s thought, opinions and culture clearly trump your own in their mind. At no point has he asked what you want. He may be being pushed by his parents or may just have a controlling nature but it will only get worse if you decide to have children. You should be his equal not his puppet

Knittedfairies · 28/04/2019 09:57

OP, this controlling behaviour could be the thin end of a very big wedge; would you want this for your daughters?

Hoppinggreen · 28/04/2019 10:01

How does he want you/your parents to pay the money?
Directly to them?

Riverviews · 28/04/2019 10:01

He is abusive. His family are abusive and they will never accept you. Once you are part of the family, they'll keep on abusing you in the knowledge that you are now powerless.

What will happen when you have children? What if they go for a visit to that country and suddenly are not allowed to come back?

I would listen to your dad and walk out now. I cannot see you being happy in this marriage.