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Forced to spend insane amount on wedding..Should I marry him? Feeling torn.

383 replies

sakurawarrior · 28/04/2019 07:50

Ok, this is going to be a long post so I need to apologise - but I want to explain as thoroughly as I can. I'm not a mum but I wanted some sensible advice.

I'm in my late twenties. Four years ago I met my bf on the internet. After a year of a long distance relationship, I emigrated to the country he was living in to be with him. I know, that sounds nuts. A huge step. Needless to say, I was infatuated with him.

My history - Before him, I had two previous relationships. The first one when I was 16. I suspect now he was personality disordered. He 10 timed me and beat the shit out of me, then impregnated a married woman 20 years older than him. Needless to say, that damaged me and it took a year or two to recover. The next relationship lasted 5 years. I left him in the end because he kept binge drinking, slapped me across the face when I asked him to do something and a few other abusive incidents (he wasn't a complete psycho like the last one but less than perfect).

So anyway, back my present bf. He is Asian and thus came with some cultural baggage. His parents live in his home country and always expected him to have an arranged marriage. After we'd been together several months he told them he met me and he wants to be with me. They were extremely upset and disapproving and came up with a whole litany of reasons why I was a bad idea - I wouldn't be understanding of their culture, I would divorce him after a couple of years, I didn't hold a masters degree, my degree subject wasn't prestigious enough, westerners have no morals or values, we wouldn't suit each other... on and on it went.

He told me that he would stay in a relationship with me as long as possible, but couldn't marry me without their approval. He said the shame his parents would face would ruin their lives and the people around them would bully them and gossip making their lives a misery. He said we could only marry with their approval. But if by the time he got to 29 years old the social pressure to marry is too great, and if they didn't accept by then he would be forced to leave me. Of course, I hated this, but I tried to understand from his perspective because I loved him so much.

Fast forward two years and they have finally accepted with a condition. The wedding has to happen according to their customs, in their home country, and me and my parents must contribute to half the costs, which would come to an insane 20 grand. They will not compromise on this and bf has said he will leave me for an arranged marriage otherwise. Me and my parents could scrape together this amount of money but it just seems so wrong to spend this much on a wedding and to be forced to, as well. bf said his parents are compromising so much as they don't want me as a DIL at all, so now me and my parents need to compromise with spending the money and doing it their way.

I'm so conflicted I feel torn up inside. I feel like I don't know what to do anymore. My dad suggested that the money should be used as a house deposit instead of a wedding, and his parents got really offended by this, saying it's not about the money but about carrying out all the customs and traditions, and spending that amount of money is the only way it can be done.
My dad also thought I should ditch him on the principle that he would ultimately leave me if things came to that. There's a part of me that feels he is right, but I also have to understand my bf and his parent's POV. Holding some many conflicting views in my mind and so many shades of grey is driving me insane, frankly.

I've been reading through some of MN posts and I see the tendency to advocate leaving the relationship rather than staying. Honestly from the start our relationship has had huge strain because of these problems and my MH has naturally taken a hit. I've seen a number of therapists even one from his background - they didn't have an answer about the culture thing but said he is bordering emotionally abusive to me. (If he is annoyed at me he tends to give me the silent treatment, not at all great and the one problem in our relationship apart from the marriage issue).

I want a fresh perspective on this all. I don't know what to do. Any advice greatly appreciated. Tysm if you made it through this post.

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Ginkythefangedhellpigofdoom · 28/04/2019 11:38

Your not thinking far enough ahead

If this is the control over the wedding then they will have this control over the marriage and the children and how they are raised and he will allow it just like he has allowed anything else.

You will never just have a simple marriage and a family, you will always be married to the entire family

MelinaM · 28/04/2019 11:43

The simple fact is this, that man does not love you, neither does he respect you.

Leave, now.

AlexaShutUp · 28/04/2019 11:47

OP, my DH comes from a very similar culture, perhaps it's the same one. I understand the huge weight of cultural and social expectations that apply, and I understand the pressure that your boyfriend probably feels under to satisfy his parents' demands. It isn't easy for him to just shrug off the sense of filial obligation that he has been brought up with. It is the norm in these countries for parents to intervene in their adult children's lives. It's also the norm for the bride's family to cough up for the lavish wedding.

It's easy to judge them from our very different perspective here in the UK, but in their world, their concerns and expectations probably don't seem so unreasonable, and they probably feel that they're already making compromises.

The thing that you need to consider is not really whether they're right or wrong to behave like this, but whether or not you and your boyfriend are truly compatible in light of these different perspectives. If he is bowing to pressure from his parents now, that probably won't change in the future. Do you really want their continued interference throughout your lives? Also, he is telling you very clearly that his relationship with his parents is more important than his relationship with you. He isn't necessarily wrong to feel like that, but do you want to go into a marriage on that basis?

I have been with my DH for nearly 25 years. He was very clear from the outset that his family were important to him and that he would have ongoing family obligations throughout his life. I accepted that. However, he was also clear with his family that our marriage was on our own terms and that we would do things in our own way, and that was really important to me.

In a sense, I think our marriage has worked because I have accepted that he is bound by his culture in certain ways, but he has never expected me to be bound by it as he recognises that it isn't my culture. In demanding that you contribute an enormous sum for the wedding, I think your boyfriend is telling you that his culture will always trump yours. I don't think that's a foundation for a happy marriage.

InceyWinceyette · 28/04/2019 11:50

Sakura, truly no one thinks you are an idiot. Not at all. And we are in your side.

The whole situation has messed with your head. And the first thing that an abusive relationship does is dismantle your own ability to rescue yourself. Your Dad will be there, ready with the lifeboat if you can just make the jump.

It really, really isn’t right is it? That this man is so ‘respectful ‘ of his parents that neither he nor them have any respect for you or your family but are happy to blackmail
You and your Dad or £20k.

And when you have handed over £20k for them to spend on THEIR friends and family, you will have no savings with which to rescue yourself in the future should you need to.

It just isn’t the right basis for marriage.

So. Time to stop thinking about everyone else and think about you.

You will be OK, OP. It will be painful at first but you might very quickly feel liberated and free of your MH struggle.

And..., you are not an idiot.

FinallyHere · 28/04/2019 11:50

bf has said he will leave me for an arranged marriage otherwise.

For this, alone and regardless of the circumstances, ditch him. This is no way to live, under thread of blackmail. Never mind what they will think up if you ever have children.

Leave, read the Lundy Bancroft book and take the freedom programme. You will be so glad that you found the strength to shake off these terrible people.

Deadringer · 28/04/2019 11:50

The wedding is only the beginning, every decision from then on will be your husband's, or in other words, your in laws. Get out while you can. You have had some good advice on here, you really should take it.

BertieBotts · 28/04/2019 11:53

No, no. :( of COURSE you are not an idiot. We don't think that. Many of us have experienced unhealthy relationships. It is absolutely difficult to see the wood for the trees when you're in it, that is all. It's much much easier to see from the outside. You are clearly articulate, emotionally intelligent and compassionate. You just have a problem putting yourself first, perhaps because you believe this to be selfish? It is not.

I don't think it's easy to walk away from any relationship and it is especially hard if you are torn and believe there could be a future. But yes, the others are right, if you want children the pain you feel now at the prospect of ending it would be a fraction of what it will feel like to deal with any issue involving children, particularly if you break up at a later date after children, which TBH is likely. Please please do not keep a relationship going and have children with anyone because you feel you couldn't cope with a break up at this earlier stage. I did that and that really was idiotic. It doesn't avoid the painful stuff, none of the issues go away it just delays it and when it comes out it is magnified. It wouldn't be easy to leave now but it will be easier than it would be after a £20k wedding and children, that's all.

RosaWaiting · 28/04/2019 11:54

OP, my grandparents tried to raise my parents this way

so I still know a few people who got suckered into it

run far far away!!! He is endorsing all kinds of unfair crap and blaming it on "culture".

Innernutshell · 28/04/2019 11:55

I can't know for sure what they say to him and what he says to them.

So it could be that the whole cultural thing is just an easy way to get you to give in to what he wants?

And that, in fact, his parents are saying nothing like the things he says they are.

Be careful with giving him any money op. Maybe he wants the 20k to pay for an arranged marriage with someone else.

It's normal for people like us that over compensate op - to fall in love with manipulative people without realising - take your time to consider what you might decide to do now the truth is being revealed.

Watch and wait. The time to decide will come.

rodentattack · 28/04/2019 11:58

Leave him. It is obvious even from your second paragraph that you not truly want this. I am sorry you have had so much hardship.

Dvg · 28/04/2019 11:59

He cant love you very much if he is prepared to ditch you for an arranged marriage :S i would leave.

No point living your life in a debt of 20k to someone who could easily of ditched you for someone else.

Plus why would you want to live your whole life living someone elses traditions, sounds like they have no respect for yours.

mycatthinksshesatiger · 28/04/2019 12:19

Effectively you are expected to pay to ‘keep’ this man or someone else gets him through an arranged marriage. That’s what it comes down to.

You sound like a kind, intelligent person with a lovely Dad. You’ve had some crappy relationship experiences that have left you with low self-esteem. That is totally normal when you’ve been in emotionally abusive relationships. But you are worth so much more than this abusive man and his bullying family. Please don’t make the biggest mistake of your life. Who knows what your future holds if you walk away from this, but at least it can be YOUR future, decided by YOU. If you stay with home you’ll never be able to make your own decisions again. You deserve so much more. It’s not going to be easy walking away but it’s your greatest gift to yourself.

SandAndSea · 28/04/2019 12:25

OP, I think you should leave because you just don't sound happy and that is all you need to know.

Leave in the knowledge that you deserve to be loved, respected and valued, for YOU, not for your wedding/20k.

Take some time out to find out who you are and what you want. Get happy on your own and take it from there.

Holidayshopping · 28/04/2019 12:28

Be careful with giving him any money op. Maybe he wants the 20k to pay for an arranged marriage with someone else

That’s also possible!

scarecrowhead · 28/04/2019 12:34

Are you supposed to just hand over 20 grand ? I would be very worried that they are trying to con you.

Hearhere · 28/04/2019 12:37

I would be extremely wary of having a relationship with someone who comes from a culture which is more conservative/patriarchal than the one I live in
it's way too easy for men to default to 'me Tarzan you Jane' and with the weight of a culture which actively endorses and celebrates men's dominance over women ......no fucking way

Hearhere · 28/04/2019 12:39

Do not sacrifice yourself by giving into the demands of a backward culture

Propertywoes · 28/04/2019 12:39

Nobody thinks you're an idiot Flowers

RevealTheLegend · 28/04/2019 12:42

user1479305498 that's all I have wanted, to have a simple registry office marriage, but it will never happen

Well, yes it can, but not with this chap. He isn’t right for you. Free yourself to find the right man, don’t keep,hurling yourself at Mr Wrong.

birdonawire1 · 28/04/2019 12:47

Totally agree this one sided relationship will not end well. Do you think the parents interference will end with the wedding? I think they have put this high price as a deterrent. Your Bf clearly thinks more of his parents than you. End it

titchy · 28/04/2019 12:49

You've had three long term relationships. ALL have been abusive in some way.

For your own physical and mental health please spend some time on your own evaluating why this is. Freedom programme maybe, therapy?

sakurawarrior · 28/04/2019 12:54

Update: He has had a call from his parents and it's come to light that the whole demanding 20,000 was a shit test and they were hoping we wouldn't be able to afford it, they weren't seriously accepting me.Then they preceded to pick holes in me and ask him what does he even see in me. I told him I'm done.

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Propertywoes · 28/04/2019 12:57

Good on you op. You can do a lot better than him.

MIdgebabe · 28/04/2019 13:00

Good luck for your future. It takes great strength to walk away but long term you will be happy.

EdtheBear · 28/04/2019 13:01

If you'd been able to hand over the cash it would have been the beginning of many cash demands.

You are seen as a cash cow and aren't rich enough for them.

Run run run as fast as your legs will carry you.